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On January 02 2012 12:13 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 06:50 AsnSensation wrote:
For me personally Naruto has gone downhill ever since shippuuden started. Only little things like Kakashi Gaiden were things I was super stoked about^^. Nevertheless I still enjoy reading it weekly, but the original or pretimeskip series was so much better imo. It got better with the pain and world war arc though.
I think what bothers me the most is that Sharingan is apparently the most imba thing in the universe and is often even displayed as >> rinnegan^^. Not to speak of Byakugan which is completely ignored now. In the beginning it was said to be sth special with only 3 sharingan users ( sasuke, itachi and kakashi) alive but I'll never forget my "rofl wtf "moment when Danzou pulled his 10 sharingans out haha. Also, Nowadays the Manga is pretty much s-class ninjutsu and super doujutsus. I miss the basic ninja things the series used to have.
The biggest thing is Naruto's heritage though which changes a lot of things Kishi spend time with to built up in part 1. While I like the fact that he's the son of the strongest Hokage to date and the former nine tails jinchuriki, it completely in my opinion ruins the moral of the hardworking ethic ( which Naruto and especially Lee displayed) vs. the Geniuses born with imba powers^^ ( Sasuke & Neji) shown many times. I understand that it had to make sense plotwise but I guess for me personally that's the factor between Naruto and One Piece.
While Kishi's is a nice to read manga, One Piece is just so godly because Oda plans his little details even lets say 250 chapters in advance. Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, and the first may have been stronger than the fourth. I get what you mean, but there are some highlight moments in shippuden. But the thing about the Sharingan cannot be ignored. Okay, so the rinnegan is the strongest eye jutsu ever? bullshit. Itachi has a jutsu which brings up a spirit with THE BEST SWORD EVER and THE BEST SHIELD EVER. I don't know of any ninja who can beat that, except maybe someone with izanagi, which I'm not sure if Itachi can use, but still, give another skill to the sharingan.
the first was, by far, the strongest since he was capable of defeating madara all by himself. And if you read the manga recently you know waht he is capable of :/
and the rinnegan can summon gedo statue, which sucks out the soul of evry one it touches (watch nagato vs hanzo)
plus the rinnegan can also bring people back to life. and its not like some cheap reanimation jutsu so idk what you ppl are talking about. Even thinking that the rinnegan is weaker then sharingan proves that you didnt read the manga well.
(btw it also took naruto(+fox), bee(+ox) and itatchi to bring down a weakened nagato. Nagato wasnt even able to walk on his own a couple of chapters before the fight. And lets not forget, naruto bee and ititchi are atm rediciously OP.
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I just hate all this op bullshit that just pops up. Remember how good some stuff was in the beginning eps of Naruto which now suck?
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On January 02 2012 05:49 Courthead wrote:It's always entertaining to read debates in Naruto threads, because both sides are usually SO SO SO bad with logic. Allow me to win each of the the last few arguments in this thread: Show nested quote +Waah, the tailed beasts shouldn't have names, Kishi just made that up, it's too big of a twist What? How does having names qualify as a "twist"? Besides, the beasts have always had names (Shukaku, anyone?), so deal with it. Show nested quote +Waah, Naruto/Sasuke is shitty/awesome and never/always wins based on skill/luck It's a Shonen manga. Both Naruto and Sasuke were born with ridiculously OP abilities. Both have continued to gain OP abilities at an unfair pace. Both have won fights they shouldn't have, due to luck or OP powerups. And both of them have, in certain instances, worked hard to accomplish things. Stop arguing about it. It's a Shonen manga.
Well, One Piece manages to be godly even being a Shonen manga.
But one could say one piece is on his own league for quite a time now.
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Also are spells like Fireball jutsu, Water Dragon etc even viable anymore? It seemed like they were jounin-level shit but now seem pretty useless with all this Sharingan > all thing, and some insane imba.
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They are "jounin-level shit". However, fights are currently at "Kage-level shit" and "tailed-beast-level shit".
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On January 02 2012 13:06 iSometric wrote:
I just hate all this op bullshit that just pops up. Remember how good some stuff was in the beginning eps of Naruto which now suck?
Like how it used to be about strategy and finding counters to each attack rather than:
"OMG it's <One Hit Kill No Jitsu>"
[Dodge]
"We need a counter!"
[Dodge/Block]
[Power-up]
"I'll stop you now with my <One Hit Kill No Jitsu>"
[Attacks]
--Fight Over--
Alternatively the enemy gains a power-up instead of losing, in which the cycle repeats until the enemy loses.
The Chunin exams and the Zabuza fight were probably the most exciting fights of the show. Naruto vs Sasuke when he was leaving wasn't bad either. The Akatsuki fights were probably the last good ones. Now the fights are just boring.
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On January 02 2012 13:24 acker wrote:
They are "jounin-level shit". However, fights are currently at "Kage-level shit" and "tailed-beast-level shit".
Lol wait for Sasuke vs Naruto it's gonna be "Sage-of-Six-Paths-level shit"
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On January 02 2012 13:03 Kaien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 12:13 Dark_Chill wrote:On January 02 2012 06:50 AsnSensation wrote:
For me personally Naruto has gone downhill ever since shippuuden started. Only little things like Kakashi Gaiden were things I was super stoked about^^. Nevertheless I still enjoy reading it weekly, but the original or pretimeskip series was so much better imo. It got better with the pain and world war arc though.
I think what bothers me the most is that Sharingan is apparently the most imba thing in the universe and is often even displayed as >> rinnegan^^. Not to speak of Byakugan which is completely ignored now. In the beginning it was said to be sth special with only 3 sharingan users ( sasuke, itachi and kakashi) alive but I'll never forget my "rofl wtf "moment when Danzou pulled his 10 sharingans out haha. Also, Nowadays the Manga is pretty much s-class ninjutsu and super doujutsus. I miss the basic ninja things the series used to have.
The biggest thing is Naruto's heritage though which changes a lot of things Kishi spend time with to built up in part 1. While I like the fact that he's the son of the strongest Hokage to date and the former nine tails jinchuriki, it completely in my opinion ruins the moral of the hardworking ethic ( which Naruto and especially Lee displayed) vs. the Geniuses born with imba powers^^ ( Sasuke & Neji) shown many times. I understand that it had to make sense plotwise but I guess for me personally that's the factor between Naruto and One Piece.
While Kishi's is a nice to read manga, One Piece is just so godly because Oda plans his little details even lets say 250 chapters in advance. Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, and the first may have been stronger than the fourth. I get what you mean, but there are some highlight moments in shippuden. But the thing about the Sharingan cannot be ignored. Okay, so the rinnegan is the strongest eye jutsu ever? bullshit. Itachi has a jutsu which brings up a spirit with THE BEST SWORD EVER and THE BEST SHIELD EVER. I don't know of any ninja who can beat that, except maybe someone with izanagi, which I'm not sure if Itachi can use, but still, give another skill to the sharingan. the first was, by far, the strongest since he was capable of defeating madara all by himself. And if you read the manga recently you know waht he is capable of :/ and the rinnegan can summon gedo statue, which sucks out the soul of evry one it touches (watch nagato vs hanzo) plus the rinnegan can also bring people back to life. and its not like some cheap reanimation jutsu so idk what you ppl are talking about. Even thinking that the rinnegan is weaker then sharingan proves that you didnt read the manga well. (btw it also took naruto(+fox), bee(+ox) and itatchi to bring down a weakened nagato. Nagato wasnt even able to walk on his own a couple of chapters before the fight. And lets not forget, naruto bee and ititchi are atm rediciously OP.
If you read the manga, you'll see people saying that hiruzen was the strongest hokage in his prime and the strongest kage in his age. The sharingan has a fire which practically kills almost everything, a top-level genjutsu, some sort of demon god and the ability to defy physics, not to mention being able to keep up with opponent's movements even if they're better than you. And watch the fight between nagato and those three again. Did Itachi ever look like he was in any danger at all? The rinnegan is definitely strong, but atm the sharingan is really broken, especially when the damage from using it can be completely forgotten.
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Some of my favorite fights are Jiraiya vs Pain, Sasuke vs Danzo and Konan vs Tobi.
About the Sharingan vs Rinnegan, I'm not gonna bother yelling about which eye-power looked stronger. Kishimoto has hinted or said that the rinnegan is more powerfull on several occasions. Why is this beeing discussed.
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On January 02 2012 13:42 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 13:03 Kaien wrote:On January 02 2012 12:13 Dark_Chill wrote:On January 02 2012 06:50 AsnSensation wrote:
For me personally Naruto has gone downhill ever since shippuuden started. Only little things like Kakashi Gaiden were things I was super stoked about^^. Nevertheless I still enjoy reading it weekly, but the original or pretimeskip series was so much better imo. It got better with the pain and world war arc though.
I think what bothers me the most is that Sharingan is apparently the most imba thing in the universe and is often even displayed as >> rinnegan^^. Not to speak of Byakugan which is completely ignored now. In the beginning it was said to be sth special with only 3 sharingan users ( sasuke, itachi and kakashi) alive but I'll never forget my "rofl wtf "moment when Danzou pulled his 10 sharingans out haha. Also, Nowadays the Manga is pretty much s-class ninjutsu and super doujutsus. I miss the basic ninja things the series used to have.
The biggest thing is Naruto's heritage though which changes a lot of things Kishi spend time with to built up in part 1. While I like the fact that he's the son of the strongest Hokage to date and the former nine tails jinchuriki, it completely in my opinion ruins the moral of the hardworking ethic ( which Naruto and especially Lee displayed) vs. the Geniuses born with imba powers^^ ( Sasuke & Neji) shown many times. I understand that it had to make sense plotwise but I guess for me personally that's the factor between Naruto and One Piece.
While Kishi's is a nice to read manga, One Piece is just so godly because Oda plans his little details even lets say 250 chapters in advance. Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, and the first may have been stronger than the fourth. I get what you mean, but there are some highlight moments in shippuden. But the thing about the Sharingan cannot be ignored. Okay, so the rinnegan is the strongest eye jutsu ever? bullshit. Itachi has a jutsu which brings up a spirit with THE BEST SWORD EVER and THE BEST SHIELD EVER. I don't know of any ninja who can beat that, except maybe someone with izanagi, which I'm not sure if Itachi can use, but still, give another skill to the sharingan. the first was, by far, the strongest since he was capable of defeating madara all by himself. And if you read the manga recently you know waht he is capable of :/ and the rinnegan can summon gedo statue, which sucks out the soul of evry one it touches (watch nagato vs hanzo) plus the rinnegan can also bring people back to life. and its not like some cheap reanimation jutsu so idk what you ppl are talking about. Even thinking that the rinnegan is weaker then sharingan proves that you didnt read the manga well. (btw it also took naruto(+fox), bee(+ox) and itatchi to bring down a weakened nagato. Nagato wasnt even able to walk on his own a couple of chapters before the fight. And lets not forget, naruto bee and ititchi are atm rediciously OP. If you read the manga, you'll see people saying that hiruzen was the strongest hokage in his prime and the strongest kage in his age. The sharingan has a fire which practically kills almost everything, a top-level genjutsu, some sort of demon god and the ability to defy physics, not to mention being able to keep up with opponent's movements even if they're better than you. And watch the fight between nagato and those three again. Did Itachi ever look like he was in any danger at all? The rinnegan is definitely strong, but atm the sharingan is really broken, especially when the damage from using it can be completely forgotten. Are you kidding me? The Rinnegan is by far the strongest Eye-power. It allows you to control 6 bodies including their speciallity. Are you telling me that a Sharingan user like Itachi could take on a team of Sasori (Who acording to the manga was most likley the strongest Akatsuki member (including Itachi) and Orochimaru? No chance in hell and that still leaves 4 realms! FOUR left that you can but any super stronk ninja in. Hell vs Sasori all the powers Tobi has displayed would have gotten a run for his money.
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On January 02 2012 13:44 number1gog wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/35mewz.jpg) + Show Spoiler +yes I am aware of the hypocrisy
I'm glad I'm not alone whenever Bleach, Naruto, and One Peice threads get bumped with no new chapter out.
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On January 03 2012 14:33 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 13:42 Dark_Chill wrote:On January 02 2012 13:03 Kaien wrote:On January 02 2012 12:13 Dark_Chill wrote:On January 02 2012 06:50 AsnSensation wrote:
For me personally Naruto has gone downhill ever since shippuuden started. Only little things like Kakashi Gaiden were things I was super stoked about^^. Nevertheless I still enjoy reading it weekly, but the original or pretimeskip series was so much better imo. It got better with the pain and world war arc though.
I think what bothers me the most is that Sharingan is apparently the most imba thing in the universe and is often even displayed as >> rinnegan^^. Not to speak of Byakugan which is completely ignored now. In the beginning it was said to be sth special with only 3 sharingan users ( sasuke, itachi and kakashi) alive but I'll never forget my "rofl wtf "moment when Danzou pulled his 10 sharingans out haha. Also, Nowadays the Manga is pretty much s-class ninjutsu and super doujutsus. I miss the basic ninja things the series used to have.
The biggest thing is Naruto's heritage though which changes a lot of things Kishi spend time with to built up in part 1. While I like the fact that he's the son of the strongest Hokage to date and the former nine tails jinchuriki, it completely in my opinion ruins the moral of the hardworking ethic ( which Naruto and especially Lee displayed) vs. the Geniuses born with imba powers^^ ( Sasuke & Neji) shown many times. I understand that it had to make sense plotwise but I guess for me personally that's the factor between Naruto and One Piece.
While Kishi's is a nice to read manga, One Piece is just so godly because Oda plans his little details even lets say 250 chapters in advance. Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, and the first may have been stronger than the fourth. I get what you mean, but there are some highlight moments in shippuden. But the thing about the Sharingan cannot be ignored. Okay, so the rinnegan is the strongest eye jutsu ever? bullshit. Itachi has a jutsu which brings up a spirit with THE BEST SWORD EVER and THE BEST SHIELD EVER. I don't know of any ninja who can beat that, except maybe someone with izanagi, which I'm not sure if Itachi can use, but still, give another skill to the sharingan. the first was, by far, the strongest since he was capable of defeating madara all by himself. And if you read the manga recently you know waht he is capable of :/ and the rinnegan can summon gedo statue, which sucks out the soul of evry one it touches (watch nagato vs hanzo) plus the rinnegan can also bring people back to life. and its not like some cheap reanimation jutsu so idk what you ppl are talking about. Even thinking that the rinnegan is weaker then sharingan proves that you didnt read the manga well. (btw it also took naruto(+fox), bee(+ox) and itatchi to bring down a weakened nagato. Nagato wasnt even able to walk on his own a couple of chapters before the fight. And lets not forget, naruto bee and ititchi are atm rediciously OP. If you read the manga, you'll see people saying that hiruzen was the strongest hokage in his prime and the strongest kage in his age. The sharingan has a fire which practically kills almost everything, a top-level genjutsu, some sort of demon god and the ability to defy physics, not to mention being able to keep up with opponent's movements even if they're better than you. And watch the fight between nagato and those three again. Did Itachi ever look like he was in any danger at all? The rinnegan is definitely strong, but atm the sharingan is really broken, especially when the damage from using it can be completely forgotten. Are you kidding me? The Rinnegan is by far the strongest Eye-power. It allows you to control 6 bodies including their speciallity. Are you telling me that a Sharingan user like Itachi could take on a team of Sasori (Who acording to the manga was most likley the strongest Akatsuki member (including Itachi) and Orochimaru? No chance in hell and that still leaves 4 realms! FOUR left that you can but any super stronk ninja in. Hell vs Sasori all the powers Tobi has displayed would have gotten a run for his money.
we just didnt see all the rinnegan powers. I highly doubt its only purpose is to control 6 units or whatever.
Also, sasori being the strongest akatsuki? lol? He lost to sakura man.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
What the WHERE IS MY NEW CHAPTER
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aren't they on break for 2 weeks?
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ugh I hate the breaks they take all the time I need my 2 minute weekly fix
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Eye power techniques are pretty bullshit but its covering up the really most bullshit jutsu. Opening gates. If you open all 8 inner gates you die. But if you open 7 of them you become godly enough to defeat someone like kisame with ease and there is no drawback. Gai opens 6 or 7 gates on a regular basis and it seems to have no effect on him. Now thats bullshit
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You are right that the 3rd has been said to have been the strongest, the 4th simply was too young when he died but he was toe to toe with "fake" Madara in their brief scuffle. He is the coolest 
Eye tech thing basically is out of hand a bit. I can deal with the techniques existing but they have become a crutch for Sasuke and imo its just lazy writing....omg all I have to do is make these things imba and I don't have to do shit with him! Yay me! Itachi is atm a broken char since hes basically Sasuke pumped up and 100x smarter. Pain would have been right there if he had not basically killed himself by stretching himself so thin and now we have people running around with both and its crazy.
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On January 02 2012 13:06 iSometric wrote:
I just hate all this op bullshit that just pops up. Remember how good some stuff was in the beginning eps of Naruto which now suck?
Yeah I remember the good old days when Byakugan was a feared eye power. LOL
Before Shippuden, they made the Sharingan sound like the ultimate power, but now it's nothing compared to Mangekyou or Rinnegan in the current manga.
On January 02 2012 13:21 iSometric wrote:
Also are spells like Fireball jutsu, Water Dragon etc even viable anymore? It seemed like they were jounin-level shit but now seem pretty useless with all this Sharingan > all thing, and some insane imba.
Well the thing is, with all these high level fights going on readers are losing a bit of perspective, causing all the confusion you see in this thread. All jutsus are viable, it just depends on the opponent. Things just seem strange because of the high level enemies present in the current large scale war. The fights seem out of place now, which is understandable.
For example, in the famous Kakashi vs Zabuza fight, notice how they're jutsus were just way too specific? Like it was made to counter one little thing or quirk that Kakashi or Zabuza had? The fights were small, isolated, and these are the kind of battles that end up being the most liked throughout the manga because they were so personal and tailor made for the characters.
Now we have a large scale war with only the strongest jutsus being viable, but they appear to be the norm to the readers since they're being used more often. This leads everyone to think "waa naruto is bad cause all chars are imba now" which simply isn't true. Any jutsus of lesser power would be a waste of chakra, so the only jutsus you see being used are the most powerful ones. It's the most logical choice, but since you're seeing Chidori's and Lotus kicks and Rasengan's flying everywhere you lose the perspective you had in smaller battles and get the feeling of "everybody imba". Keep in mind that Chakra is limited (Kakashi said he was worried about using too much Chakra in the latest chapter) and that the tailed beasts are intentionally imba with near limitless reserves of Chakra.
Basic power flow
Sage power > Tailed beasts > Rinnegan > Mangekyou > Kekkai Genkai > No eye power
Rikudo Sage invented jutsu, used the nature chakra that sages commonly use, and had rinnegan so his battle vs the Jubi was no contest. Mindless chakra monster killing regular humans now has to fight one with powers such as sealing and chakra manipulation? Holy crap sage power wins easily. He even had eye powers so the Jubi was screwed from the start.
Tailed beasts easily defeat anyone except other tailed beasts and sages. (sealing is their main weakness, never actually defeated but trapped nearly forever)
Rinnegan is insanely more powerful than Mangekyou. (remember, the sage created the fucking moon with the rinnegan, created the tailed beasts by splitting the Jubi's chakra, and can turn imagination into reality. Mangekyou can't do anything near that, only illusions and summons plus a few other crazy things)
People with bloodline powers have an edge vs regular people obviously.
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