honestly haven't cared for a fight since the end of the chuunin exams, where people fought mostly hand to hand and it was animated, not just flashed around and pulled out bullshit no jitsu and eye techs that can make their own realities...
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
Naruto loses fights. Sasuke doesn't because he pulls some bullshit no jutsu to win every single time.
Against Bee: 4v1, and Bee escaped. Against Raikage: Match was stopped, could have gone either way. Against Kages: Sasuke was destroyed. Against Danzo: Danzo kept a reserve of chakra to fight Madara, so was not fighting at full strength. Not really seeing the bullshit no jutsus here. Naruto has been in a couple fights though with opponents who clearly should have beaten him. Naruto hasn't really been winning bulshit fights in this arc that much (except against dead raikage) so I don't really see the problem. But it is true, Naruto does not lose often due to a skill gap, even when the opponent is more skilled than him.
applaud. finally someone with their head on straight which doesn't start a discussion with the words LOL SASGAY or any hate at the mere appearance of him. half these clowns bash sasuke for a MERE 1 page appearance.
and how does sasuke pull a "bull shit no jutsu" do you even read the manga? naruto's ultimate form with kyubi's chakra doesn't even put a strain on him and the 9 tails stopped taking his own chakra giving him an unlimited supply of 9 tails chakra. now that's BULL SHIT no jutsu. need i remind you in a recent chapter the 9 tails just gave him chakra randomly for the mere sight of madara and he summoned a billion clones to stop the wood jutsu of madara now that's bull shit.
sasuke's susano has strained him every single step of the way and has put a toll on his body until he has fainted. his mangekyou sharingan illusion duration doesn't even last long and requires precise timing to use it skillfully just like did vs danzo. and you want to compare bull shit no jutsu? you might want to read the manga first because it's people like you who blab off nonsense without any knowledge of what goes on and brings the thread down.
man half these guys are so into the underdog nonsense, hero worship, and band wagon hate they don't even recall what has happened in the chapters and can give a sound argument it's pretty silly.
let's be honest here, the whole manga is nonsense with all the young characters killing legendary ninjas with ease
let's be honest, show me a popular manga where the old as the main character kill the young consistently and are praised for it.
it doesn't exist. it's called main character shield. this comment is actually quite silly. there's a reason the main characters are drawn young and the manga marketed towards children / people in their early 20's. you're still forgetting you're still reading shonen comics at the end of the day need i remind you.
I'm just saying that logics doesn't apply to mangas (especially naruto) that's why you guys need to stop with all of these "logic" argument. P.S. I'm not hating, just saying
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
Watch his second fight vs Itachi.He lost that one too.Rewatch it carefully you'll see how many chances Itachy had to finish him off but he just led Sasuke to beleave he won.
Oh and edit: Bee beat him as well 1 on 1 but his team mass healed him.
Same thing vs Danzo, he was losing and was going to lose if it wasn't for Karin.
Karin did jack hit in that except point out things which madara said they had already seen. And seriously, Sasuke does not actually win fights that often. Sasuke/Naruto vs Haku: lose. Sasuke vs Rock Lee: lose. Sasuke vs Orochimaru: lose. Sasuke vs CE guy: barely win. Sasuke vs Gaara: win. Sasuke vs Gaara (2): lose. Sasuke vs Naruto: lose. Sasuke vs Naruto (2): tie. Holy crap, sasuke has 5 loses, 2 wins and a tie. Does that sound like someone who always pulls bullshit no jutsus and wins all the time? Sasuke vs Team 7: win (mostly because of Sakura). Sasuke vs Orochimaru(deathly ill): win. Sasuke vs Deidera: barely win. Sasuke vs Itachi(deathly ill): lose. Sasuke vs B: lose. Sasuke vs A: maybe win/lose/tie. Sasuke vs Kages: huge lose. Sasuke vs Danzo(not full strength): win. In many cases, it's not because of jutsus. Sasuke faces opponents who are much stronger than him, but have a handicap. We get to see fights where sasuke is in fact pushed to his limits and suffers for it, while not creating plot problems with him taking out really strong characters.
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
Watch his second fight vs Itachi.He lost that one too.Rewatch it carefully you'll see how many chances Itachy had to finish him off but he just led Sasuke to beleave he won.
Oh and edit: Bee beat him as well 1 on 1 but his team mass healed him.
Same thing vs Danzo, he was losing and was going to lose if it wasn't for Karin.
Karin did jack hit in that except point out things which madara said they had already seen. And seriously, Sasuke does not actually win fights that often. Sasuke/Naruto vs Haku: lose. Sasuke vs Rock Lee: lose. Sasuke vs Orochimaru: lose. Sasuke vs CE guy: barely win. Sasuke vs Gaara: win. Sasuke vs Gaara (2): lose. Sasuke vs Naruto: lose. Sasuke vs Naruto (2): tie. Holy crap, sasuke has 5 loses, 2 wins and a tie. Does that sound like someone who always pulls bullshit no jutsus and wins all the time? Sasuke vs Team 7: win (mostly because of Sakura). Sasuke vs Orochimaru(deathly ill): win. Sasuke vs Deidera: barely win. Sasuke vs Itachi(deathly ill): lose. Sasuke vs B: lose. Sasuke vs A: maybe win/lose/tie. Sasuke vs Kages: huge lose. Sasuke vs Danzo(not full strength): win. In many cases, it's not because of jutsus. Sasuke faces opponents who are much stronger than him, but have a handicap. We get to see fights where sasuke is in fact pushed to his limits and suffers for it, while not creating plot problems with him taking out really strong characters.
uhh, i don't think those loss from the first arc really count since he didn't have the eyes, just saying.
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
Watch his second fight vs Itachi.He lost that one too.Rewatch it carefully you'll see how many chances Itachy had to finish him off but he just led Sasuke to beleave he won.
Oh and edit: Bee beat him as well 1 on 1 but his team mass healed him.
Same thing vs Danzo, he was losing and was going to lose if it wasn't for Karin.
It was established real early that Itatchi was never gonna kill his brother. Doesn't change the fact that Naruto works hard to gain power while Sasuke just bitches and moans and gets handed free power ups.
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
Watch his second fight vs Itachi.He lost that one too.Rewatch it carefully you'll see how many chances Itachy had to finish him off but he just led Sasuke to beleave he won.
Oh and edit: Bee beat him as well 1 on 1 but his team mass healed him.
Same thing vs Danzo, he was losing and was going to lose if it wasn't for Karin.
Karin did jack hit in that except point out things which madara said they had already seen. And seriously, Sasuke does not actually win fights that often. Sasuke/Naruto vs Haku: lose. Sasuke vs Rock Lee: lose. Sasuke vs Orochimaru: lose. Sasuke vs CE guy: barely win. Sasuke vs Gaara: win. Sasuke vs Gaara (2): lose. Sasuke vs Naruto: lose. Sasuke vs Naruto (2): tie. Holy crap, sasuke has 5 loses, 2 wins and a tie. Does that sound like someone who always pulls bullshit no jutsus and wins all the time? Sasuke vs Team 7: win (mostly because of Sakura). Sasuke vs Orochimaru(deathly ill): win. Sasuke vs Deidera: barely win. Sasuke vs Itachi(deathly ill): lose. Sasuke vs B: lose. Sasuke vs A: maybe win/lose/tie. Sasuke vs Kages: huge lose. Sasuke vs Danzo(not full strength): win. In many cases, it's not because of jutsus. Sasuke faces opponents who are much stronger than him, but have a handicap. We get to see fights where sasuke is in fact pushed to his limits and suffers for it, while not creating plot problems with him taking out really strong characters.
The problem with Sasuke is that he keeps getting rewarded for being retarded. Also there are some factual wrongs in that list. First of what I mean by that is that he goes and picks a fight he couldn't possibly win and then gets powered up for it. He is one of those characters that goes through the series entirely because of other peoples mercy. He picks the most godawful fights he couldn't possibly come out alive in and gets rewarded for it.
Every single time Naruto loses a fight (and yea that happens quite often) it costs him. It reminds him of his weaknesses. He can't control the 9-tails. He can't save everyone. It actually hurts him.
What does happen to Sasuke when he loses to an opponent he couldn't possibly beat? FREE POWER UPS!
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
Watch his second fight vs Itachi.He lost that one too.Rewatch it carefully you'll see how many chances Itachy had to finish him off but he just led Sasuke to beleave he won.
Oh and edit: Bee beat him as well 1 on 1 but his team mass healed him.
Same thing vs Danzo, he was losing and was going to lose if it wasn't for Karin.
Karin did jack hit in that except point out things which madara said they had already seen. And seriously, Sasuke does not actually win fights that often. Sasuke/Naruto vs Haku: lose. Sasuke vs Rock Lee: lose. Sasuke vs Orochimaru: lose. Sasuke vs CE guy: barely win. Sasuke vs Gaara: win. Sasuke vs Gaara (2): lose. Sasuke vs Naruto: lose. Sasuke vs Naruto (2): tie. Holy crap, sasuke has 5 loses, 2 wins and a tie. Does that sound like someone who always pulls bullshit no jutsus and wins all the time? Sasuke vs Team 7: win (mostly because of Sakura). Sasuke vs Orochimaru(deathly ill): win. Sasuke vs Deidera: barely win. Sasuke vs Itachi(deathly ill): lose. Sasuke vs B: lose. Sasuke vs A: maybe win/lose/tie. Sasuke vs Kages: huge lose. Sasuke vs Danzo(not full strength): win. In many cases, it's not because of jutsus. Sasuke faces opponents who are much stronger than him, but have a handicap. We get to see fights where sasuke is in fact pushed to his limits and suffers for it, while not creating plot problems with him taking out really strong characters.
The problem with Sasuke is that he keeps getting rewarded for being retarded. Also there are some factual wrongs in that list. First of what I mean by that is that he goes and picks a fight he couldn't possibly win and then gets powered up for it. He is one of those characters that goes through the series entirely because of other peoples mercy. He picks the most godawful fights he couldn't possibly come out alive in and gets rewarded for it.
Every single time Naruto loses a fight (and yea that happens quite often) it costs him. It reminds him of his weaknesses. He can't control the 9-tails. He can't save everyone. It actually hurts him.
What does happen to Sasuke when he loses to an opponent he couldn't possibly beat? FREE POWER UPS!
first off, you don't have any arguments worth listening to by the above rage post. 2nd you're too blinded by hero worship you don't even make any factual or parallel arguments. factual wrongs is your entire post, that's a factual wrong. if your best argument is "you get rewarded for being retarded" is the best thing you can come up with, you never had an argument to begin with. that's the same as saying, when people fight other people who are better than them, they get better as a reward. rofl? this goes both fucking ways. it's called experience and learning. your concept of "costing him" is also retarded. yeah cause emotional stress and sadness from a loss really is a cost as opposed to sasuke's limb when he fought bee or the fact sasuke got hit with amaterasu in the itachi fight and lived luckily due to training with orochimaru. your blind bias is the most retarded thing i've read, should have known since you rage double posted trying to convince others of your bias.
another factual wrong is the fact you say sasuke picks the most god awful fights. WRONG again. yet again you try to flip the script without any actual logic. if i could list how many times naruto rushed in with rasengan without knowing his enemy i would be a fucking millionaire. yet again you ignore logic and fact with your blind bias. who was the last person who tried to attack madara without knowing who he was? ding ding ding naruto. and yet he gets out ALIVE fighting him without a scratch cause the 9 tails felt pity for him and gave him chakra to stop the wood element jutsus. picking fights with people he shouldn't EVER win against is naruto he's the king at that, not sasuke. cause head rushing into tobi with 7 other jinchuuriki's isn't picking a fight with someone you should die to, nor does attacking a zombie madara blindly that either ROFL @ YOU.
free power ups is naruto. every powerup sasuke got he worked for it and there was a danger to his life and he learned it on the fly literally in fights. while naruto always had someone to teach him. cause learning a jutsu that's unblockable, literally no harm to you, hits the enemy at a celluar level, and you can throw it isn't a cheap powerup. nor is having unlimited 9 tails chakra at your disposal. if sasuke knew tobi would save him at any sight of his life being taken out, why wouldn't he powerup facing better people than he is? that's actually calculating and picking your fights, not rushing in with rasengan. like i said you have no valid arguments and have the debating skills of a 10 year old.
Except Naruto was once characterized as a hothead, and therefore his bullrush of the enemy is expected.
Oh, and I didn't know that just having the Mangekyo Sharingan after 'defeating' Itachi allowed Sasuke to have a chance against 5 kages, if you were talking about BULLSHIT powerups.
Lol @ Sasuke working hard to get that outside of crying like a baby in front of 3 other people
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
Naruto loses fights. Sasuke doesn't because he pulls some bullshit no jutsu to win every single time.
Against Bee: 4v1, and Bee escaped. Against Raikage: Match was stopped, could have gone either way. Against Kages: Sasuke was destroyed. Against Danzo: Danzo kept a reserve of chakra to fight Madara, so was not fighting at full strength. Not really seeing the bullshit no jutsus here. Naruto has been in a couple fights though with opponents who clearly should have beaten him. Naruto hasn't really been winning bulshit fights in this arc that much (except against dead raikage) so I don't really see the problem. But it is true, Naruto does not lose often due to a skill gap, even when the opponent is more skilled than him.
applaud. finally someone with their head on straight which doesn't start a discussion with the words LOL SASGAY or any hate at the mere appearance of him. half these clowns bash sasuke for a MERE 1 page appearance.
and how does sasuke pull a "bull shit no jutsu" do you even read the manga? naruto's ultimate form with kyubi's chakra doesn't even put a strain on him and the 9 tails stopped taking his own chakra giving him an unlimited supply of 9 tails chakra. now that's BULL SHIT no jutsu. need i remind you in a recent chapter the 9 tails just gave him chakra randomly for the mere sight of madara and he summoned a billion clones to stop the wood jutsu of madara now that's bull shit.
sasuke's susano has strained him every single step of the way and has put a toll on his body until he has fainted. his mangekyou sharingan illusion duration doesn't even last long and requires precise timing to use it skillfully just like did vs danzo. and you want to compare bull shit no jutsu? you might want to read the manga first because it's people like you who blab off nonsense without any knowledge of what goes on and brings the thread down.
man half these guys are so into the underdog nonsense, hero worship, and band wagon hate they don't even recall what has happened in the chapters and can give a sound argument it's pretty silly.
Most of us are like
"lol naruto's pretty cool, don't really like sasuke tho"
and you're like
"SASUKE IS THE BEST CAHRACTER NARUTO BLOWS U R ALL RETARDED"
and then you insult us for "hero worship" loooooooool
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
Naruto loses fights. Sasuke doesn't because he pulls some bullshit no jutsu to win every single time.
Against Bee: 4v1, and Bee escaped. Against Raikage: Match was stopped, could have gone either way. Against Kages: Sasuke was destroyed. Against Danzo: Danzo kept a reserve of chakra to fight Madara, so was not fighting at full strength. Not really seeing the bullshit no jutsus here. Naruto has been in a couple fights though with opponents who clearly should have beaten him. Naruto hasn't really been winning bulshit fights in this arc that much (except against dead raikage) so I don't really see the problem. But it is true, Naruto does not lose often due to a skill gap, even when the opponent is more skilled than him.
applaud. finally someone with their head on straight which doesn't start a discussion with the words LOL SASGAY or any hate at the mere appearance of him. half these clowns bash sasuke for a MERE 1 page appearance.
and how does sasuke pull a "bull shit no jutsu" do you even read the manga? naruto's ultimate form with kyubi's chakra doesn't even put a strain on him and the 9 tails stopped taking his own chakra giving him an unlimited supply of 9 tails chakra. now that's BULL SHIT no jutsu. need i remind you in a recent chapter the 9 tails just gave him chakra randomly for the mere sight of madara and he summoned a billion clones to stop the wood jutsu of madara now that's bull shit.
sasuke's susano has strained him every single step of the way and has put a toll on his body until he has fainted. his mangekyou sharingan illusion duration doesn't even last long and requires precise timing to use it skillfully just like did vs danzo. and you want to compare bull shit no jutsu? you might want to read the manga first because it's people like you who blab off nonsense without any knowledge of what goes on and brings the thread down.
man half these guys are so into the underdog nonsense, hero worship, and band wagon hate they don't even recall what has happened in the chapters and can give a sound argument it's pretty silly.
Most of us are like
"lol naruto's pretty cool, don't really like sasuke tho"
and you're like
"SASUKE IS THE BEST CAHRACTER NARUTO BLOWS U R ALL RETARDED"
and then you insult us for "hero worship" loooooooool
actually no, i can understand if you don't like sasuke, but when all i read is LOL DERP DERP SASUKE OP NO ON ELSE OP or the mere fact sasuke gets a 1 page panel introduction and there's more of a discussion in this thread than the actual plot, then you know something is wrong which is clearly blind hero worship. i never said sasuke was the best, i'm just arguing against all the people who put him down blindly and don't have rational arguments. most of the posters i see flame post at the sight of sasuke. let's be honest sasuke takes more flack than anyone else, i'm just arguing for him. i never intended to say SASUKE IS BEST YOUR ALL RETARDED, while i do accept the people who flame post as being retarded :D but if you can have a logical discussion and tell me why you like naruto instead of bashing sasuke for vague reasons then by all means i can accept that.
On December 29 2011 10:26 NotSorry wrote: honestly haven't cared for a fight since the end of the chuunin exams, where people fought mostly hand to hand and it was animated, not just flashed around and pulled out bullshit no jitsu and eye techs that can make their own realities...
I feel the same way. Naruto was awesome back now its just meh...
Anyone wonder what the dust element that old kage uses is about? He makes that huge cubical looking thing that obliterates everything in range of that cube. and he can also enlarge it to whatever size he chooses. Why does it call dust element? couldn't that be call the cube element? and wtf is the sphere inside the cube. shit needs some explaining.
On December 30 2011 02:14 rei wrote: Anyone wonder what the dust element that old kage uses is about? He makes that huge cubical looking thing that obliterates everything in range of that cube. and he can also enlarge it to whatever size he chooses. Why does it call dust element? couldn't that be call the cube element? and wtf is the sphere inside the cube. shit needs some explaining.
yeah i don't really comprehend this either. last time i checked dust was never solid lol. what i also don't get is the other kage who uses it, since he's a zombie and he has unlimited chakra, even if he split his body, wouldn't he still be capable of using that unlimited chakra? in the manga he tried using his jinton and wasn't able to.
Probably is dust in that cube, and each dust particle has weight as the old man desires. So it's reasonable to think you have pin sized particles with boulder like weight flying around, destroying everything it touches.
On December 30 2011 02:14 rei wrote: Anyone wonder what the dust element that old kage uses is about? He makes that huge cubical looking thing that obliterates everything in range of that cube. and he can also enlarge it to whatever size he chooses. Why does it call dust element? couldn't that be call the cube element? and wtf is the sphere inside the cube. shit needs some explaining.
It's a jutsu that combines 3 elements and turns everything it touches into dust. It doesn't explain anything else but that goes for many things (as yin/yang chakra, shadow technique etc).
On December 28 2011 14:56 Cool Cat wrote: This series has really been improving in my opinion ever since the ninja war started, and I am no longer tempted to drop it. The main problem currently is that Sasuke has become irrelevant, and his reappearances seem awkward and forced. Also, the pacing in some of the chapters is strange.
speak for yourself. the only chapters i truly enjoyed for action was seeing the uchiha fight and even more so sasuke's. i don't see how anyone enjoys manga when everything just happens to go the main character's way every. single. time. if you wanted that, go read fairy tail. what you deem as irrelevant i deem as importance. you're probably another one of those sasuke band wagon haters. if anything at all, the manga has become far richer in depth based on the way tobi has built up sasuke to the man he is. sasuke actually takes on fights all the readers are uncertain of. everytime naruto takes on a fight, he wins. naruto just brings power out of his ass and owns his opponent while sasuke is constantly always tested to his limits especially at the hokage summit.
This made me laught out loud since it's pretty much the opposite to how the series has been. Sasuke gets tons of free power ups everytime he is about to lose, while Naruto have suffered som very heavy losses.
Infact... one of Narutos loses is to Sasuke. Naruto basicly lost to Pain, since Hinata got "killed" (if it wasn't for pains mercy), he got his ass handed to him by Neji and to resort to actual tactics to win.
Sasuke has not once deserved the powers he got.
I SUCK! Herp derp have some eye-power I SUCK! ok, have some more eye-power I SUCK! Herp derp cursed seal I SUCK! LEVEL 2! I SUCK! Have my eyes! I SUCK! Level 4783 eye-power.
Unlike Naruto, Sasuke has not lost a single fight yet. Unless you count the fight vs Itachi when they are 12 as a fight (or that 1 blow from lee in what chapter 2? ) other than that he simply wins, mostly becuase of some contrived power up.
Watch his second fight vs Itachi.He lost that one too.Rewatch it carefully you'll see how many chances Itachy had to finish him off but he just led Sasuke to beleave he won.
Oh and edit: Bee beat him as well 1 on 1 but his team mass healed him.
Same thing vs Danzo, he was losing and was going to lose if it wasn't for Karin.
Karin did jack hit in that except point out things which madara said they had already seen. And seriously, Sasuke does not actually win fights that often. Sasuke/Naruto vs Haku: lose. Sasuke vs Rock Lee: lose. Sasuke vs Orochimaru: lose. Sasuke vs CE guy: barely win. Sasuke vs Gaara: win. Sasuke vs Gaara (2): lose. Sasuke vs Naruto: lose. Sasuke vs Naruto (2): tie. Holy crap, sasuke has 5 loses, 2 wins and a tie. Does that sound like someone who always pulls bullshit no jutsus and wins all the time? Sasuke vs Team 7: win (mostly because of Sakura). Sasuke vs Orochimaru(deathly ill): win. Sasuke vs Deidera: barely win. Sasuke vs Itachi(deathly ill): lose. Sasuke vs B: lose. Sasuke vs A: maybe win/lose/tie. Sasuke vs Kages: huge lose. Sasuke vs Danzo(not full strength): win. In many cases, it's not because of jutsus. Sasuke faces opponents who are much stronger than him, but have a handicap. We get to see fights where sasuke is in fact pushed to his limits and suffers for it, while not creating plot problems with him taking out really strong characters.
The problem with Sasuke is that he keeps getting rewarded for being retarded. Also there are some factual wrongs in that list. First of what I mean by that is that he goes and picks a fight he couldn't possibly win and then gets powered up for it. He is one of those characters that goes through the series entirely because of other peoples mercy. He picks the most godawful fights he couldn't possibly come out alive in and gets rewarded for it.
Every single time Naruto loses a fight (and yea that happens quite often) it costs him. It reminds him of his weaknesses. He can't control the 9-tails. He can't save everyone. It actually hurts him.
What does happen to Sasuke when he loses to an opponent he couldn't possibly beat? FREE POWER UPS!
first off, you don't have any arguments worth listening to by the above rage post. 2nd you're too blinded by hero worship you don't even make any factual or parallel arguments. factual wrongs is your entire post, that's a factual wrong. if your best argument is "you get rewarded for being retarded" is the best thing you can come up with, you never had an argument to begin with. that's the same as saying, when people fight other people who are better than them, they get better as a reward. rofl? this goes both fucking ways. it's called experience and learning. your concept of "costing him" is also retarded. yeah cause emotional stress and sadness from a loss really is a cost as opposed to sasuke's limb when he fought bee or the fact sasuke got hit with amaterasu in the itachi fight and lived luckily due to training with orochimaru. your blind bias is the most retarded thing i've read, should have known since you rage double posted trying to convince others of your bias.
another factual wrong is the fact you say sasuke picks the most god awful fights. WRONG again. yet again you try to flip the script without any actual logic. if i could list how many times naruto rushed in with rasengan without knowing his enemy i would be a fucking millionaire. yet again you ignore logic and fact with your blind bias. who was the last person who tried to attack madara without knowing who he was? ding ding ding naruto. and yet he gets out ALIVE fighting him without a scratch cause the 9 tails felt pity for him and gave him chakra to stop the wood element jutsus. picking fights with people he shouldn't EVER win against is naruto he's the king at that, not sasuke. cause head rushing into tobi with 7 other jinchuuriki's isn't picking a fight with someone you should die to, nor does attacking a zombie madara blindly that either ROFL @ YOU.
free power ups is naruto. every powerup sasuke got he worked for it and there was a danger to his life and he learned it on the fly literally in fights. while naruto always had someone to teach him. cause learning a jutsu that's unblockable, literally no harm to you, hits the enemy at a celluar level, and you can throw it isn't a cheap powerup. nor is having unlimited 9 tails chakra at your disposal. if sasuke knew tobi would save him at any sight of his life being taken out, why wouldn't he powerup facing better people than he is? that's actually calculating and picking your fights, not rushing in with rasengan. like i said you have no valid arguments and have the debating skills of a 10 year old.
First of all the only one that is raging is you. You even said it yourself free power ups is naruto. "every powerup sasuke got he worked for it and there was a danger to his life and he learned it on the fly literally in fights. while naruto always had someone to teach him." Isn't that the defenition of a free power up. Naruto has to work for his one, while Sasuke as you say jusy gets handed one either mid fight or after a fight, no training, no dedication. It just happens.
Or tell me. How is the cursed seal something that Sasuke "had to make up on the fly" This goes for both rank 1 and 2. It was just handed to him. Or the fact that Itatchi just gave him a brand new pair of eyes when he fucked up his old pair.
And the Rasenshuriken might be bullshit but then again... It doesn't change reality. So while I can go "that's a bit much" about that, it's still NOTHING compared to Izanagi on the bullshit meter. Powering up mid fight is something I really don't like and I don't really liked it when Naruto kept adding tails, but at least those tails have a price. It makes him lose control, it makes him hurt the ones he loves. I like the notion that people actually put time and effort into their jutsus and fighting styles. "your concept of "costing him" is also retarded. yeah cause emotional stress and sadness from a loss really is a cost as opposed to sasuke's limb when he fought bee or the fact sasuke got hit with amaterasu in the itachi fight and lived luckily due to training with orochimaru. "
Thanks for not resorting to random personal attacks. Emotional sadness and stress is the real costs. Sasukes wounds heal and he takes nothing from that experience. What makes Naruto the main character and what makes him interesting is that he always tries to see it from everyone elses point of view, he brings his emotional baggage with him knowing what it's like to hate and recent everyone else, cause that is where he starte off.
If you take a moment to think about it. Naruto and Sasuke is the same character. Naruto is the strong one and Sasuke is the weak one. While being polar opposite they are polaropposites of the same character. And if you don't believe me. let me just give you the general backstory.
Both Sasuke and Naruto were child prodigys that showed exceptional talent. (HOLD IT! NARUTO SUCKED IN SCHOOL!!) Yes, he did, but he was without a doubt a child prodigy cause he did this in episode 1 (And yea I consider 12 to still be a child prodigy) . Showing of just what kind of true talent he has even without the fox. Sakura was best in class yet her talent or potential comes nowhere close to that of Sasuke and Naruto
Both had their families sacrificed in the name of protecting Konoha.
Straight forward. Itatchi killed the Uchia clan on orders from the Konoha leaders. The Nine-tailed fox wiped out Narutos family. Both suffer the stigma of being the "Survivor"
Also pretty straight forward. While Naruto was shunned for having the fox inside of him, Sasuke can't have had it easy being the only survivor of the massacre. And I don't mean that from an emotional stand point but how he was viewed by the adults of the village. Both hunger for power, in essence "I want to be the very best like noone ever was".
Their motivations for getting to that point couldn't be more far apart BUT they share the same goal.
Both of them are friendless and outcasts. Straight forward again here, see chapter 1.
This means that going into the series the one actual defining factor in the series and undoubtedly the most important character in the entire manga is.
This is getting way to long allready, and if you rage some more I'll probably explain it more in detail. To sum up Naruto and Sasuke join the series with the same baggage. The series main focus is watching in essence 1 person and what he ends up like based on his decisions, because up to the point of the series starting Sasuke and Naruto could just have been 1 person, they share that much history. But Sasuke always takes the easy route while Naruto sticks to his ideals. And yes my personal opinion is that I hate Sasuke with every pore of my body. But not because he has bullshit powers, ´not because he is "Emo" or any of those reason.
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