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On March 11 2011 12:22 nK)Duke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 02:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:You people are so ridiculous. I really think that kishi could write the best chapter in the history of manga, and you little kids will still bitch and moan. Mifune didn't come out of nowhere, he moderated the 5 kage summit. He's obviously mad strong, because they mentioned that he was the only person in the world with the strength and faith to moderate the 5 kage. Secondly, we've never seen Hanzou fight, and while I do wish that the battle lasted longer than a single chapter, it was still a sick fight and this was one of the better chapters in awhile. anyone who says otherwise is really just trolling. As a side note, did anyone else immediately think the attack of the clones when the samurai showed up? ![[image loading]](http://api.ning.com/files/D*eATlrBp7VHPbKZW2mPTGeX4VdzZgMTpNwGKpCHhN7HhY7xxTZBu9fWfwfvsQTpMzvXQBZMp0c4AxjFDteqTHgnC-W8hVWa/Stormtroopers.jpg) vs. ![[image loading]](http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/820/afd155c37f6f3691c6c0dce.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2009/01/jin-roh.jpg) more like jinros
Nah man they look like hellghasts
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On March 11 2011 14:45 cha0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 12:19 Xyik wrote:
Okay, whoever is saying Kabuto can't stop people from talking because its their 'will', you make 0 sense. Wouldn't Asuma and all these other good guys have 0 will to fight their friends and family? Yes, the baddies I can understand running their mouths, but if you can force someone to move their arms and legs and other body parts against their 'will' why not their mouths? I can understand characters retaining their private thoughts / feelings such as crying but movement of the mouth is just like moving any other major muscle in a person's body ...
Was an okay fight considering with all these characters, kishi can't afford to spend more than 1-2 chapters each battle. I think he needs to paint a bigger picture though and show us the effect of these tiny fights on the overall war rather than just 'oh, these guys are fighting and these guys are fighting'. Surely having certain groups eliminated could have a huge effect on how the armies are mobilized kinda like losing all your sentries or collosus in an SC game.
The scenes with Shikamaru's dad explaining their army movements was more interesting than watching all these characters duke it out. Finally someone who understand me. Lol sometimes it feels like I am talking to a wall. The mouth and tongue are also made up of muscles after all and if he can control their eyes, arms and legs he should be able to easily keep them from talking too by immobalizing their tongue. Lol remember those random seals Danzou apparently had on all root members so that they are not allowed to say anything about him either. Kabuto shoulda just slapped some of those on.
Maybe they like to see the pain there in. Here someone apologize as they fight to the death is kinky.
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ok that was a seriously anti-climatic end for Hanzou, who as others have previously said fought on par with the Sannin. Was hoping for an epic showdown with him and one of the kages or something, but Mifune? =SS I guess I just dont find anything awesome or badass about him lol
I feel the pacing for Naruto now is good for weekly reads since there's lots of action where Bleach is just disappointing
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On March 11 2011 14:45 cha0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 12:19 Xyik wrote:
Okay, whoever is saying Kabuto can't stop people from talking because its their 'will', you make 0 sense. Wouldn't Asuma and all these other good guys have 0 will to fight their friends and family? Yes, the baddies I can understand running their mouths, but if you can force someone to move their arms and legs and other body parts against their 'will' why not their mouths? I can understand characters retaining their private thoughts / feelings such as crying but movement of the mouth is just like moving any other major muscle in a person's body ...
Was an okay fight considering with all these characters, kishi can't afford to spend more than 1-2 chapters each battle. I think he needs to paint a bigger picture though and show us the effect of these tiny fights on the overall war rather than just 'oh, these guys are fighting and these guys are fighting'. Surely having certain groups eliminated could have a huge effect on how the armies are mobilized kinda like losing all your sentries or collosus in an SC game.
The scenes with Shikamaru's dad explaining their army movements was more interesting than watching all these characters duke it out. Finally someone who understand me. Lol sometimes it feels like I am talking to a wall. The mouth and tongue are also made up of muscles after all and if he can control their eyes, arms and legs he should be able to easily keep them from talking too by immobalizing their tongue. Lol remember those random seals Danzou apparently had on all root members so that they are not allowed to say anything about him either. Kabuto shoulda just slapped some of those on.
what if he ressurected them and gave them an objective - kill all who oppose me! - for instance?
this way he could be controlling their actions in a more broader sense than in a specific sense, like controling each arm and leg. he can be controling them just by sending them to a place to do something. that woudn't interfere with their ability of saying whatever they want.
he can be controling the pawns without controlling the actions
yes, he is controling lots of ninjas at the same time, however i don't know how it is working besides feeding them chackra so that they move and the technique is still up.
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There are a number of things that will probably continue to bug me for the next few months, or until this is over, and maybe even then.
I'm new to the manga and would love if anyone has some ideas.
1. If they basically have the military power to take on a united shinobi/samurai army that consists of EVERYTHING that isn't them - what exactly do they need a tailed beast weapon for?
2. If the reason people want tailed beasts is for war - why aren't Bee and Naruto in the fight? (Semi-rhetorical, I understand that they are the objective, but honestly... when aren't they?)
3. What is with the character progression?! ::rageface::
Naruto gets sage mode, and seems mature and aware of everything, only to have lost almost all of it, and being back to checking out animal peen and being treated like an idiot (and acting like one) by every other minor character in the manga.
Naruto hasn't really learned anything new since Rasengan(sp) his only progress is how big/powerful it is, and he still needs shadow clones to do it. (Something his father and sensei didn't need, both of whom he has theoretically surpassed.)
At this point I'm really hoping the Asuma fight happens next chapter, as we've now basically had 2 chapters leading up to it, and if the past 7 chapters are any indication, it will take all of 3 panels on one page. I am glad that we're at least back to characters that have existed/mattered in the manga for more than a couple weeks though.
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I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him.
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On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him.
that's actually very interesting
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I'll try for some answers here:
On March 12 2011 03:50 Flanlord wrote:
There are a number of things that will probably continue to bug me for the next few months, or until this is over, and maybe even then.
I'm new to the manga and would love if anyone has some ideas.
1. If they basically have the military power to take on a united shinobi/samurai army that consists of EVERYTHING that isn't them - what exactly do they need a tailed beast weapon for?
Not sure what you're asking here. They aren't really making a tailed beast weapon, but rather they used some of the tailed beast power to make all the zetsus, and Madara is after the remaining two in order to get the 10 tails. But yes, why Madara didn't just attack whilst everyone was divided is beyond me.
Probably some "Good job being united everyone, I'm actually a good guy thanks for playing"
On March 12 2011 03:50 Flanlord wrote:
2. If the reason people want tailed beasts is for war - why aren't Bee and Naruto in the fight? (Semi-rhetorical, I understand that they are the objective, but honestly... when aren't they?)
Yeah semi-rhetorical. Basically they know that the main aim or the enemy is to gain the Jinchuriki. If the aim was anything else, they'd be there.
On March 12 2011 03:50 Flanlord wrote:
3. What is with the character progression?! ::rageface::
Naruto gets sage mode, and seems mature and aware of everything, only to have lost almost all of it, and being back to checking out animal peen and being treated like an idiot (and acting like one) by every other minor character in the manga.
Naruto hasn't really learned anything new since Rasengan(sp) his only progress is how big/powerful it is, and he still needs shadow clones to do it. (Something his father and sensei didn't need, both of whom he has theoretically surpassed.)
Character Progression in Naruto is "special". It basically consists of whatever Kishimoto (the author) thinks is cool and then involves a lot of bullshit explanation about why Naruto, and only Naruto, seems to be able to do this despite the fact that at the start of every training arc Naruto has no knowledge about anything.
Basically, this author gets bored a lot with his own story and decides upon things almost overnight which would be cool to do. For example: at any random moment in the story, Sasuke will be the main character. He'll have abandoned all new techniques he spent years learning and rely heavily upon something like Mangekou Sharingan which really seems like one of his weaker techniques to be honest.
And then suddenly we'll cut to Sakura like she's an important character, but Kishimoto is like "lol no way she's a woman" and then have her impact on the story as a whole forgettable at best.
So character progression in Naruto is "special". Not Bleach special, haha don't start me.
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On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him.
There's been a fair amount of foreshadowing that this guy isn't actually Madara, just someone trading on his name. The Kisame thing where Kisame forced himself awake just before we saw Madara's real face, the fact that Kabuto has a hidden edo tensei that freaked Madara out (the real Madara maybe). Kabuto then said not to worry he wouldn't say anything which further leads us to believe that it's damaging to Madara.
I still think there's a possible Obito connection here as well, "Madara" is missing the eye that Obito was missing and the real key here is that we know from Ao explaining how Shisui's sharingan works that some Sharingan's grant unique abilities. Kakashi's ms where he distorts dimensions works very similarly to how "Madara's" does. "Madara" even tells Kakashi not to bother using it on him implying hes fully aware of it's capabilities. It most likely isn't as simple as "Madara" simply being Obito but there's probably something to that.
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On March 13 2011 22:00 proxY_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him. There's been a fair amount of foreshadowing that this guy isn't actually Madara, just someone trading on his name. The Kisame thing where Kisame forced himself awake just before we saw Madara's real face, the fact that Kabuto has a hidden edo tensei that freaked Madara out (the real Madara maybe). Kabuto then said not to worry he wouldn't say anything which further leads us to believe that it's damaging to Madara. I still think there's a possible Obito connection here as well, "Madara" is missing the eye that Obito was missing and the real key here is that we know from Ao explaining how Shisui's sharingan works that some Sharingan's grant unique abilities. Kakashi's ms where he distorts dimensions works very similarly to how "Madara's" does. "Madara" even tells Kakashi not to bother using it on him implying hes fully aware of it's capabilities. It most likely isn't as simple as "Madara" simply being Obito but there's probably something to that.
The Obito theory is a bit too old imo, he probably won't have any major role into the story. If you look at the circumstances of his death there's no way he is back into the series again. I think Madara developed just a body change jutsu like orochimaru and he was scared as fuck by the sage of 6 path body in the coffin.
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Its old and I take no credit for originating it but nothing we have substantially refutes it.
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On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him.
Fuck that. I was promised Naruto vs Sasuke, and I'll be damned if Kishimoto's just going to cheat his way out like that.
On March 13 2011 22:15 proxY_ wrote:
Its old and I take no credit for originating it but nothing we have substantially refutes it.
There's nothing refuting it, but to my knowledge, no character talks about Obito at all outside of Kakashi gaiden. If Madara is, in fact, somebody else posing as Madara, it will be a character that appeared more often in the series. Otherwise, Kishimoto runs the risk of people saying "who the heck is this guy?" since it happened so long ago (in real world time). Basically, I don't think he'll shove a one time character into that role because if he does, nobody will care about the revelation.
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On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him.
I have a same feeling too. It will be a naruto vs sasuke arc, followed by an unsuspectly betrayal by madara to steal the 9 tails and ultimately the final battle -- madara vs naruto + sasuke.
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On March 13 2011 23:25 MrStorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him. I have a same feeling too. It will be a naruto vs sasuke arc, followed by an unsuspectly betrayal by madara to steal the 9 tails and ultimately the final battle -- madara vs naruto + sasuke.
That would be very... Western. I hope not. :-/
We have yet to see what Itachi gave Naruto just before his death right?
Maybe all 3 of them can get in a fight +/- Bee and basically all just kill one another. But that is another thing I'm thinking is bound to happen... Bee has to be caught before Naruto by way of plot armor (on Naruto) presumably, and we don't seem to be anywhere near either of them really being involved in the fighting in any way.
Maybe I was just very much mistaken going into the war arc that we were very near to the end. I underestimated how long the war can/could take.
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On March 14 2011 00:57 Flanlord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 23:25 MrStorkie wrote:On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him. I have a same feeling too. It will be a naruto vs sasuke arc, followed by an unsuspectly betrayal by madara to steal the 9 tails and ultimately the final battle -- madara vs naruto + sasuke. That would be very... Western. I hope not. :-/ We have yet to see what Itachi gave Naruto just before his death right? Maybe all 3 of them can get in a fight +/- Bee and basically all just kill one another. But that is another thing I'm thinking is bound to happen... Bee has to be caught before Naruto by way of plot armor (on Naruto) presumably, and we don't seem to be anywhere near either of them really being involved in the fighting in any way. Maybe I was just very much mistaken going into the war arc that we were very near to the end. I underestimated how long the war can/could take.
What, you didn't expect 500 chapters of side characters? 
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On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him.
My theory is that madara is trying to become the strongest ninja of all time, even surpassing the sage of six paths. To do this he needs to infuse the 10 tails into himself combined with having the rinnegan and eternal sharingan. The sage of six paths had the 10 tails and rinnegan but no eternal sharingan. So far madara has both eyes and tailed beasts 1-7. Hes almost complete >: )
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Prayers to everyone, the manga can wait. Hopefully they are in good health.
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On March 17 2011 09:40 R0YAL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 15:39 travis wrote:
I suspect Madara's body isn't physically there and he wants the tailed beasts to ressurect himself or some shit. That's my guess at least!
And he's going to do it. And then naruto is going to no longer have the 9 tails, and will have to work together with sasuke to stop him. My theory is that madara is trying to become the strongest ninja of all time, even surpassing the sage of six paths. To do this he needs to infuse the 10 tails into himself combined with having the rinnegan and eternal sharingan. The sage of six paths had the 10 tails and rinnegan but no eternal sharingan. So far madara has both eyes and tailed beasts 1-7. Hes almost complete >: )
Didn't he already tell us his plan? He'll become a moon and cast an illusion to create a utopia.
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