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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
November 22 2011 20:21 GMT
#101
OSC's view of the internet considering it didn't even fucking exist yet is pretty insane
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2011 20:47 GMT
#102
On November 23 2011 04:04 sickoota wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 15:49 Requizen wrote:

Some of his ideas of the internet are woefully out of date and laughable (two blogs changing the face of the entire country's view when even the most popular get maybe a million views a week). But would those be able to be changed and keep the story on track? Also, with today's American view of "Military! Fuck yeah!", this anti-war feeling of an almost dystopian military life might set people on edge.



By "incredibly out of date" I assume you mean "years upon years before its time". You realize this book was written in the 70s when there was no internet right? No one other than William Gibson should be given as much credit as Card for predicting the internet before it happens. Its eery how close he came with a bunch of stuff. As to your point, its not even called the internet, and its set like 100 years in the future. Presumably the blogosphere will undergo some significant changes by that point.

Additionally, who the fuck is Gavin Hood? Godamn this could be a great movie if you gave it a competent director, and an amazing movie if you gave it to a good director (the things Nolan would do...). That Wolverine movie was not worth a tenth of what I paid for it, and all I paid was a gig of bandwidth.

It is indeed striking for how ahead of it's time it is, but if you put the idea on the screen of a 15 year old being elected Hegemon because of writing a blog, it's going to come off as campy as hell today. I just think it needs to be handled right or we'll get another "Hollywood doesn't know shit about technology" moment, which keeps the movie from being as enjoyable, at least for me.
It's your boy Guzma!
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
November 22 2011 20:48 GMT
#103
I've never really looked forward to a movie before, but I wanna see this quite a bit. I hope this exceeds my expectations.
LOUD NOISES!!!
Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
November 22 2011 20:49 GMT
#104
On November 23 2011 05:47 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 04:04 sickoota wrote:
On November 22 2011 15:49 Requizen wrote:

Some of his ideas of the internet are woefully out of date and laughable (two blogs changing the face of the entire country's view when even the most popular get maybe a million views a week). But would those be able to be changed and keep the story on track? Also, with today's American view of "Military! Fuck yeah!", this anti-war feeling of an almost dystopian military life might set people on edge.



By "incredibly out of date" I assume you mean "years upon years before its time". You realize this book was written in the 70s when there was no internet right? No one other than William Gibson should be given as much credit as Card for predicting the internet before it happens. Its eery how close he came with a bunch of stuff. As to your point, its not even called the internet, and its set like 100 years in the future. Presumably the blogosphere will undergo some significant changes by that point.

Additionally, who the fuck is Gavin Hood? Godamn this could be a great movie if you gave it a competent director, and an amazing movie if you gave it to a good director (the things Nolan would do...). That Wolverine movie was not worth a tenth of what I paid for it, and all I paid was a gig of bandwidth.

It is indeed striking for how ahead of it's time it is, but if you put the idea on the screen of a 15 year old being elected Hegemon because of writing a blog, it's going to come off as campy as hell today. I just think it needs to be handled right or we'll get another "Hollywood doesn't know shit about technology" moment, which keeps the movie from being as enjoyable, at least for me.



And yet the internet activism that engaged the Occupy Wallstreet Movement is not similar? The characters are heroes and intellectual savants. Their actions are unheard of, but not impossible.
A virtuous act is performed habitually, and not once from incentive alone.
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 21:18:33
November 22 2011 20:51 GMT
#105
Just a fact, Gavin Hood the director of the block buster yet heavily criticized:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
November 22 2011 21:01 GMT
#106
I just hope they don't make it a kiddie movie. The OP says it has the same tone of lightheartedness as Harry Potter, but I don't see that at all. Like at all. I don't remember the book being lighthearted in the slightest.

So who knows, the book really spoke to most of us when we were teenagers(I assume) and that's who it should be directed towards, not 5 year olds
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
November 22 2011 21:15 GMT
#107
The book isnt lighthearted in any way at all...

Its deep, dark, and visionary. One of the finest works of sci fi in existence
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 21:31:28
November 22 2011 21:30 GMT
#108
Wow, I must say im pretty apprehensive. Enders shadow was one of the first sci fi books I ever read and will probably always be in my top 3 books ever read. Hate to be a skeptic but I am afraid that there is a 99% chance they will butcher the books, hollywoodize it.

My biggest fear is they will try to make it into a kids movie, when the story is intricate and beautifully complex.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
November 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#109
I hope the actor for bean is good so they can make the shadow series.
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
November 22 2011 22:35 GMT
#110
On November 23 2011 05:47 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 04:04 sickoota wrote:
On November 22 2011 15:49 Requizen wrote:

Some of his ideas of the internet are woefully out of date and laughable (two blogs changing the face of the entire country's view when even the most popular get maybe a million views a week). But would those be able to be changed and keep the story on track? Also, with today's American view of "Military! Fuck yeah!", this anti-war feeling of an almost dystopian military life might set people on edge.



By "incredibly out of date" I assume you mean "years upon years before its time". You realize this book was written in the 70s when there was no internet right? No one other than William Gibson should be given as much credit as Card for predicting the internet before it happens. Its eery how close he came with a bunch of stuff. As to your point, its not even called the internet, and its set like 100 years in the future. Presumably the blogosphere will undergo some significant changes by that point.

Additionally, who the fuck is Gavin Hood? Godamn this could be a great movie if you gave it a competent director, and an amazing movie if you gave it to a good director (the things Nolan would do...). That Wolverine movie was not worth a tenth of what I paid for it, and all I paid was a gig of bandwidth.

It is indeed striking for how ahead of it's time it is, but if you put the idea on the screen of a 15 year old being elected Hegemon because of writing a blog, it's going to come off as campy as hell today. I just think it needs to be handled right or we'll get another "Hollywood doesn't know shit about technology" moment, which keeps the movie from being as enjoyable, at least for me.


Everything that Peter and Valentine did with the internet in Ender's Game is theoretically achievable, especially accounting for another 100 years into the future when, presumably, everyone should have some sort of access to the internet. I personally think it's quite reasonable to assume that in the future most political endeavors will take place on the internet entirely.
On my way...
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 22:45:47
November 22 2011 22:44 GMT
#111
The Internet has already been a huge driving force behind...well, pretty much every recent protest and regime change. Something tells me that the Internet will only become more important to political action in the future. Possibly, when the Internet becomes ubiquitous, the most important driving force behind politics.

Card was probably ahead of his time regarding the net.
epicanthic
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 22:55:59
November 22 2011 22:55 GMT
#112
If they tone it down, it won't be anywhere near as good as the book. But if they don't, they're going to have UNICEF on their ass. Kinda in an awkward position.
eits
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States210 Posts
November 22 2011 22:57 GMT
#113
can not wait! finally a childhood dream is coming true
Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
November 23 2011 00:28 GMT
#114
Noooooooo! They will ruin it! Just like with the Golden Compass! The book was great. But the movie was stupid.
etternaonline.com
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
November 23 2011 00:30 GMT
#115
Cant wait :D
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Spitfire
Profile Joined September 2009
South Africa442 Posts
November 23 2011 00:30 GMT
#116
Its extremely difficult to make into a movie cause the main characters are young kids, and kids cant act.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 00:46:04
November 23 2011 00:40 GMT
#117
Uh... Are they going to show Ender kill Bonzo like he does in the book? Like a brutal child death on camera would be pretty intense honestly... I don't think you could do that scene even remotely faithful to the book.

Like the battle room stuff works well but Ender kills two kids with brutal force. And its kind of important to the story that Ender is so dangerously ruthless. I just don't see how it could pass through Hollywood.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
November 23 2011 01:42 GMT
#118
On November 22 2011 10:47 NonSenSeWins wrote:
I only just heard about this today and I must confess, I find this news quite foreboding. I loved Ender's Game growing up and regardless of what a nut OSC might be, you have to admit that the guy can create a damn compelling world. I can only imagine that many of the posters on TL have read and enjoyed Ender's Game as well. Not to mention that the sequel to Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, is even better than the original in my opinion.

Just for some context, Ender's Game is a story in an alternate future where zerg-like aliens, called the "buggers" or "Formics" have attacked humanity twice, once on a human exploration ship and a second time on the Earth itself. They wiped out a huge chunk of the human population with one attack but the humans were able to fend them off. The premise is that humanity has united all nations against the alien threat and are preparing for the next big fight with the aliens. They send the youngest, brightest children of all the countries of the world into space to prepare for war. There, these children (very young children mind you. Some are five years old and even when Ender is a commander in Battle School he is only nine or something) are trained toward the aims of becoming military strategists who can lead the human race in war. The story follows the best and the brightest (supposedly) of all the human children in the world, Andrew "Ender" Wiggin, and his rise through Battle School and beyond that. It's a really easy read, so for anyone who doesn't read much but would enjoy something that is very thoroughly thought out and in my opinion very entertaining, this could be a good book for you.

The Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_game

I don't expect an exact depiction of the novel. Film makers can't possibly do that. I know that. I know Ender and Bean will be older than they are described and stuff like that. I know things are going to be wrong. Things are going to be rushed. I've accepted this, but still, I just can't see this movie being good. I hope it is but I can't see it. The child actors giving serious lines in very serious contexts almost seems comical in my mind. And finding child actors good enough in the first place... and of many different cultures too... They aren't going to be that picky I expect. I just don't want the movie to be so bad that people don't want to read the book because of how laughable the movie was. I don't want the movie to make the book into a joke.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/gavin-hoods-enders-game-adaptation-set-for-march-2013-release/

Personally, I don't like the Harry Potter movies but I know a lot of people do. And I think Harry Potter is different from Ender's Game in that even though it is very different from the book in terms of content, it is still the same sort of tone (I don't know if this is the right word) of lightheartedness and the joys of youth. The child actors really help cultivate this sort of feeling for those movies, but Harry Potter is not Ender's Game, often described as a sort of dark, political fiction. Ohhh, I just can't see it.

But I'm still going to check it out when it comes out I suppose. Anyone else an Ender's Game fan? Thoughts? Expectations?

News About Finding the Actor for Ender
http://www.avclub.com/articles/enders-game-movie-finds-its-ender,65398/

The Movie Update Site:
http://endersgamemovie.blogspot.com/

i like that science fiction is being mainstreamed.. i hate that they are going to ruin more good books. the ender series is in my opinion pretty much is a modern classic in science fiction on the level of asimov, frank herbert ect.. so there is a certain place that is giddy.. but really the odds that they are going to get it right are VERY slim. The only ones off the top of my head that have done it justice is the original jurassic park book as well as Lotr (granted that fantasy.. but hey fantasy is a sub division of sci-fi if you want to get technical )

TLDR: mixed emotions; mad & glad
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 04:58:01
November 23 2011 04:57 GMT
#119
How are they going to do the shower scene? That really set the tone for the book.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
November 23 2011 07:15 GMT
#120
The problem that stands out to me with any movie that has a young protagonist is that often the child actors are very unconvincing.

But I hope this one turns out good, because I really liked the book.
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