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thanks for posting this. i would've never read this otherwise and it's a great story. currently on my must-read list.
On November 10 2011 01:17 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 17:57 valaki wrote:On November 09 2011 17:01 KazeHydra wrote:The storyline isn't dragged out I don't know...considering they're still on floor 2 and even Uruk took 50 years to climb it, it makes me feel like this is actually one of the most dragged out stories I've ever come across. If the author doesn't pick up the pace somewhere along the way, this will never end. 70 chapters in and only now Yuri makes it to the 2nd level? It was worth the wait though. I do enjoy it, but I don't actually feel it's as good as you make it out to be. It's appealing and a good read, but if you think about it, not much has really happened. In a way, it's still just the beginning, so judging it as superior to HxH in every way is hyping it way beyond what it currently deserves (though the world and history which the author has outlined is pretty amazing) and it's still far too early in the story to rate it that high. You probably didn't read Hajime no Ippo then. I admit I didn't, however the difference is the "end point" of Tower of God has been established from the beginning, and at 70 chapters in, we are nowhere close. We know 50 years is the fastest anyone has climbed the tower, and right now, the story seems to be progressing in real time. If we assume they pass the 2nd floor by chapter 80 and this pace is held constant, the story won't actually end before we die (which is apparently what you guys want, but I don't). So unless something in the pace changes, Baam will be over 100 years old at the end, assuming he takes the average time to climb the tower. Since he is an irregular, this is unlikely, but the author so far has not had Baam do anything crazy enough that involves truly breaking the rules as most irregulars have done or climbing at a speed anywhere near Uruk's pace. If or when Baam finally disrupts the tower as past irregulars have done, the pacing would dramatically shift because the rules of climbing the tower will no longer force a need of literally over 9000 chapters for him to reach the top. In other words, it's not that the pacing is slow compared to other works, but that we know the story won't end before we die at this rate. That's why I said it feels dragged out, because if the author wants to end this story in the next 50 years, something has to change.
you're actually completely misinterpreting the pace and what you know about the story, then. because the floor of test is the first major pillar for all regulars, it would be rather idiotic for every floor to matter as much as the floor of test. on top of that, you're assuming the story ends at the 135th floor, or that the goal of the story is for baam to reach the 135th floor. no, the goal of the protagonist as we have been shown was to reach lehal who was going to climb the tower to find the stars, and i won't spoil too much, but if you actually read the story then you know that that is obviously not where the manhwa will continue to progress.
you will come to understand if you read up to the current end that tower of god has a lot more to do for everyone involved than simply reaching the top of the tower. it would seem from the very very beginning that that is obviously what it's about, but even if you considered for a moment that the story constantly has people who have reached the top, and that the protagonist would seem plot destined to achieve something greater, there must be more to it. i can't say for sure what will happen, but given what i know now, i would say that you are really focused on the 135th floor and i would point out that the important floors that are and will be the focus of the story have immense importance comparable to the final destination. floors are tests for regulars, but they are also territories for the residents of the towers, and people do a lot more than just ascend to as high as they can go and live happily ever after when they make it to the top.
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On May 04 2012 21:09 Herculix wrote:thanks for posting this. i would've never read this otherwise and it's a great story. currently on my must-read list. Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:17 KazeHydra wrote:On November 09 2011 17:57 valaki wrote:On November 09 2011 17:01 KazeHydra wrote:The storyline isn't dragged out I don't know...considering they're still on floor 2 and even Uruk took 50 years to climb it, it makes me feel like this is actually one of the most dragged out stories I've ever come across. If the author doesn't pick up the pace somewhere along the way, this will never end. 70 chapters in and only now Yuri makes it to the 2nd level? It was worth the wait though. I do enjoy it, but I don't actually feel it's as good as you make it out to be. It's appealing and a good read, but if you think about it, not much has really happened. In a way, it's still just the beginning, so judging it as superior to HxH in every way is hyping it way beyond what it currently deserves (though the world and history which the author has outlined is pretty amazing) and it's still far too early in the story to rate it that high. You probably didn't read Hajime no Ippo then. I admit I didn't, however the difference is the "end point" of Tower of God has been established from the beginning, and at 70 chapters in, we are nowhere close. We know 50 years is the fastest anyone has climbed the tower, and right now, the story seems to be progressing in real time. If we assume they pass the 2nd floor by chapter 80 and this pace is held constant, the story won't actually end before we die (which is apparently what you guys want, but I don't). So unless something in the pace changes, Baam will be over 100 years old at the end, assuming he takes the average time to climb the tower. Since he is an irregular, this is unlikely, but the author so far has not had Baam do anything crazy enough that involves truly breaking the rules as most irregulars have done or climbing at a speed anywhere near Uruk's pace. If or when Baam finally disrupts the tower as past irregulars have done, the pacing would dramatically shift because the rules of climbing the tower will no longer force a need of literally over 9000 chapters for him to reach the top. In other words, it's not that the pacing is slow compared to other works, but that we know the story won't end before we die at this rate. That's why I said it feels dragged out, because if the author wants to end this story in the next 50 years, something has to change. you're actually completely misinterpreting the pace and what you know about the story, then. because the floor of test is the first major pillar for all regulars, it would be rather idiotic for every floor to matter as much as the floor of test. on top of that, you're assuming the story ends at the 135th floor, or that the goal of the story is for baam to reach the 135th floor. no, the goal of the protagonist as we have been shown was to reach lehal who was going to climb the tower to find the stars, and i won't spoil too much, but if you actually read the story then you know that that is obviously not where the manhwa will continue to progress. you will come to understand if you read up to the current end that tower of god has a lot more to do for everyone involved than simply reaching the top of the tower. it would seem from the very very beginning that that is obviously what it's about, but even if you considered for a moment that the story constantly has people who have reached the top, and that the protagonist would seem plot destined to achieve something greater, there must be more to it. i can't say for sure what will happen, but given what i know now, i would say that you are really focused on the 135th floor and i would point out that the important floors that are and will be the focus of the story have immense importance comparable to the final destination. floors are tests for regulars, but they are also territories for the residents of the towers, and people do a lot more than just ascend to as high as they can go and live happily ever after when they make it to the top.
well, I disagree with a couple points but you seem to be missing the point of my argument (which was also 6 months ago in case you didn't notice). People were saying how the current pacing was perfect and wouldn't even mind for it to stay that way.
On November 09 2011 18:50 Rubber wrote:
I still wouldn't mind if the pace remained how it is.
I was arguing that if it stayed at the pacing of the floor of test, it would never end and that was the root of it feeling dragged on. You say I'm fixated on the top floor - yes and no. I never said story development is not based on what happens on the floors; however, floor number is an inherent measure of progress built into this story. If nothing else, it's a really big tease. Remember, this was 6 months ago, and any claims of "it'll change after this floor" would only be speculation. You say it was only like that because of being the floor of test - certainly logical, but ~80 chapters for it was becoming quite long, and I was growing pretty weary of it - with no guarantee it would change. While I was not expecting it to change the way it did, I did imply that I expected the pacing to change for the better, and I was right.
In fact, the author even mentioned at the end of season 1 how many fans had the same problem as I did and addressed their worries saying some floors will be skipped; others will drag on. So...this argument is stupid because it expired a few months ago lol.
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hmm. Lost most of my interest when the author just skipped time instead of actually showing the actually interesting things. Because if you think these goddamn tests or these stupid characters that suddenly pop up have any goddamn importance then you're fooling yourself.
He just got done explaining fishermen and the whole wavecontroller thing on top of doing that neat guardian test. Then WACK. Wat a twist; all the neat characters are gone and Baam is suddenly doing a second floor test with sheeple you have to be hard pressed to care for.. WHAT THE ACTUAL FLYING FUCK IS THIS STORY TELLER TRYING TO TELL ME?
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On May 05 2012 05:59 Madkipz wrote:
hmm. Lost most of my interest when the author just skipped time instead of actually showing the actually interesting things. Because if you think these goddamn tests or these stupid characters that suddenly pop up have any goddamn importance then you're fooling yourself.
He just got done explaining fishermen and the whole wavecontroller thing on top of doing that neat guardian test. Then WACK. Wat a twist; all the neat characters are gone and Baam is suddenly doing a second floor test with sheeple you have to be hard pressed to care for.. WHAT THE ACTUAL FLYING FUCK IS THIS STORY TELLER TRYING TO TELL ME?
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He's on the 20th floor, not the second floor.
The timeskip was well explained. Maybe you would've rathered he show what Baam went through during said time but it wasn't confusing to understand what happened. He built up and environement of trust around Baam and destroyed it with 1 character. It's important to Baam's character development in the second part as we see he has changed a lot obviously.
The new characters serve to tell a story. Some of them will probably have some importance : The zahard prince (blonde guy), Yeon, Rapdevil at the very least. The others are as much part of the story as the guys he trained on the floor of tests with; not really sure why you feel otherwise, but the story alludes to the fact that other characters from the first part of the story will be integrated in one way or another (like Rapdevil beating the sword guy).
The author also has a blog where he mentions a lot of things going on in the upper floors/strong people that we have yet to see in the story. Tower of God is a pretty big project and it's not really just a normal adventure manga.
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The timeskip was well explained. Maybe you would've rathered he show what Baam went through during said time but it wasn't confusing to understand what happened.
On his blog? Oh sure, we know sorta what went on, but that doesn't make his current "test" more interesting and Baam's shift in persona has lost most of its emotional impact.
Baam was broken down and forced to accept his defeat and then you wonder, what parts of his old self did he keep? The author skips out on the most interesting part in favour of these wankers, who have no relevance at all given what previously took place (removing all the already developed characters) and then expects me to bloody care about some new set of characters that the author can just as easily remove. Is he daft?
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On May 05 2012 06:26 Madkipz wrote:Show nested quote +The timeskip was well explained. Maybe you would've rathered he show what Baam went through during said time but it wasn't confusing to understand what happened. On his blog? Oh sure, we know sorta what went on, but that doesn't make his current "test" more interesting and Baam's shift in persona has lost most of its emotional impact. Baam was broken down and forced to accept his defeat and then you wonder, what parts of his old self did he keep? The author skips out on the most interesting part in favour of these wankers, who have no relevance at all given what previously took place (removing all the already developed characters) and then expects me to bloody care about some new set of characters that the author can just as easily remove. Is he daft?
Well, I agree to a certain extent but I personally like the path he took the story on. Then again, I loved Berserk when + Show Spoiler +every character got eaten by demons except Gatts
Still, he does show some development. For example, when people say if he takes 8 teammates "everyone can be happy" and he shows some emotion, pretty much showing that as long as a single person is unhappy he won't even consider it. Basically his trust in people is completely shattered. He does still show emotions, just more subtle; we will probably see that change soon.
As far as the old characters go, I seriously doubt that is the last we see of them.
And I don't read his blog, I just mentioned it in the grand scheme of things. The entire events of the first part of ToG were made to turn Baam into this so I thought it went really well.
EDIT : This test also serves to show how far Baam as come. Is he has strong as a low ranker now? Or does he still have a long way to go?
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Headon is one weird scary motherfucker. He has his eyes and teeth at the same place.
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On May 05 2012 06:26 Madkipz wrote:Show nested quote +The timeskip was well explained. Maybe you would've rathered he show what Baam went through during said time but it wasn't confusing to understand what happened. On his blog? Oh sure, we know sorta what went on, but that doesn't make his current "test" more interesting and Baam's shift in persona has lost most of its emotional impact. Baam was broken down and forced to accept his defeat and then you wonder, what parts of his old self did he keep? The author skips out on the most interesting part in favour of these wankers, who have no relevance at all given what previously took place (removing all the already developed characters) and then expects me to bloody care about some new set of characters that the author can just as easily remove. Is he daft?
I care about the new characters. It's not like my emotional capacity is limited to a set amount of characters. I can care about the Season 1 characters AND the Season 2 characters. By the way, a lot of successful mangas have wiped out entire casts save one or two main characters and started afresh (eg: Gantz, Berserk).
Do I think the author is daft? No. SIU has shown himself to be one of the most calculating authors. He plots out specific details of every character (even characters not mentioned in the story); and he's written about major events in the TUS world that aren't even pertinent to the ToG arc. Do I think he's going to just throw away the Season 1 characters and do the same for Season 2? No. Especially since the characters from Season 1 are NOT dead.
It's because he's extremely calculative that he can write in such an irregular format as opposed to the linear format used by most mangakas. A lot of great literary pieces don't utilize a linear format.
tldr - the author knows the overall picture better than you; he's also shown that he's not whimsical but plans out most of the stuff as illustrated in his blog. So it is absurd that you presume there's no connection between the Season 1 cast and the Season 2 cast.
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On May 05 2012 13:56 MayorITC wrote:
So it is absurd that you presume there's no connection between the Season 1 cast and the Season 2 cast.
In fact there already is connection. If we are to believe the characters the right hand devil killed Hatsu. How Baam acts around this guy will give hints to how his view has changed regarding his old comrades.
Also, I do like the timeskip. Imagine for a second the time skip was instead swapped for the author telling the story chronologically. What would the story look like? If it kept going with the original cast we would watch them climb the tower for five years while Baam does what we can assume is some training with strings attached. Then would we also have to watch the second cast climb the tower somewhat simultaneously to establish "enough" of a connection? I think that would get somewhat repetitive. I realize there are many ways the timeskip could be told and that I probably chose one of the worst cases.
I really like the way this is handled. The 20th floor is established as a kind of wall that holds a lot of people back. The characters had a good introduction in my opinion. I don't need a very in depth back story to each new character. The original cast didn't get back stories before they were introduced. I like the style this author takes by showing the character through its first interactions in the story (not necessarily with the protagonist). It establishes their personality, situation, and sometimes fighting power. As the character interacts more it can divuldge information about themselves via stories/flashbacks. The new cast can be cared about just as much as the original cast, and it isn't like the original cast disappeared.
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Just a quick question.
Is the new guy in second season Baam ? With just a new name ?
And can anyone tell me the update rate of ToG? I mean how many strips per week ?
Or is it just like Megatokyo? 1 per month ? or worse?
Ok...more then 1 question  .
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On May 07 2012 04:14 Akash wrote:Just a quick question. Is the new guy in second season Baam ? With just a new name ? And can anyone tell me the update rate of ToG? I mean how many strips per week ? Or is it just like Megatokyo? 1 per month ? or worse? Ok...more then 1 question .
Yes, it is baam. Now called Viole. There's proof in the first few chapters of season 2, I could get them if you want it.
And do you mean chapters? If so, 1 per week. They come out every sunday around GMT +1 if I am not mistaken.
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the translation group for ToG is http://www.thcmpny.com/
they are pretty lazy compare to EG scan who is translating Noblesse.
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[QUOTE] On May 05 2012 06:26 Madkipz wrote:
[quote]then you wonder, what parts of his old self did he keep? The author skips out on the most interesting part in favour of these wankers, [/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure he'll get to it, sooner or later. Actually no, I hope it is later or MUCH later. He's not daft, he's just telling the story in a more unconventional way and I appreciate that. Adds a unique sense of mystery, no? In fact, I appreciate it much more because it makes me want to keep reading more. This makes TOG not one of the hundreds of run-of-the-mill shounen battle mangas.
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Next 2-3 chapters should probably be pretty awesome. About 99% certain that Baam is the one that killed Rapdevil as revenge for Hatsu (or whatever his name) and just instantly owned him but I guess the author didn't show it for a reason so let's wait and see.
I'm still fairly certain they will get a team together before the ranker dies but either way should lead to some interesting storyline (will the high ranker administer a test if Baam wins or what will happen?).
Eager to see another fight with Baam. He had some bad ass skills in the earlier test but we obviously haven't seem him go all out at all.
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finished first chapter(vol?)...wow. loved it.
edit: i'm caught up...FUUUUUU
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Some of the guys here said something about the author's blog,where the stuff that happened all these 5 years (that are skipped).
Can anyone link that ?
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On May 11 2012 00:14 Akash wrote:
Some of the guys here said something about the author's blog,where the stuff that happened all these 5 years (that are skipped).
Can anyone link that ?
I think the blog is somewhere on this website but good luck if you can't read korean.
http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/list.nhn?titleId=183559&no=46&weekday=mon
Also, I mentioned that he talks about different things in the ToG universe, not that he goes into the time skip. He talks about high rankers and other characters. For example, people like Phantasmium (sp) who is an irregular, the #1 ranker and an "exis" (a man-made god). There was more info about exis in the past but the author deleted his old story when he started ToG which had to do with some of that stuff so yeah, it's still a mystery (also we don't know if the stuff he had written back then he still considers part of the story since it's deleted).
He gives more info about other characters. I just get bits of info from a manga website where people talk about the blog without really translating it. Sometime the scanlation group puts some text about random people at the end of the manga that they take from the blog.
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On May 11 2012 00:21 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:14 Akash wrote:
Some of the guys here said something about the author's blog,where the stuff that happened all these 5 years (that are skipped).
Can anyone link that ? I think the blog is somewhere on this website but good luck if you can't read korean. http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/list.nhn?titleId=183559&no=46&weekday=monAlso, I mentioned that he talks about different things in the ToG universe, not that he goes into the time skip. He talks about high rankers and other characters. For example, people like Phantasmium (sp) who is an irregular, the #1 ranker and an "exis" (a man-made god). There was more info about exis in the past but the author deleted his old story when he started ToG which had to do with some of that stuff so yeah, it's still a mystery (also we don't know if the stuff he had written back then he still considers part of the story since it's deleted). He gives more info about other characters. I just get bits of info from a manga website where people talk about the blog without really translating it. Sometime the scanlation group puts some text about random people at the end of the manga that they take from the blog.
For f..k sake....
Like some dude who posted here said,i hope my kids will see the end of this story,if i can't.
It's the same as another manga which i already mentioned in my older post,Megatokyo.It's really interesting but the author updates it when he is in the mood (which is like 1-2 per month).
Or i could start learning korean...or maybe not :<.
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Read the whole manhwa the other day. Nice overall, + Show Spoiler +Silent Baam is bad ass but has no personality ( so far ).
The fights seem to miss a bit of gravitas / gore to me so far, not sure if it is just the drawing style.
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