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On April 09 2020 06:05 Legan wrote:
Second episode feels much better now that they dropped the weird trailer before OP. Pace is still fast, but unfortunately it is needed to cover first season in 13 episodes. Hopefully the skipped information is covered in some degree later and episodes will get better overtime. The OP and ED are really weird visually, like something is missing when there is not content showing things that could be expected later in series. I really hope that this opens the gates for manhwas so that great series like Kubera can get animated.
I gave up on Kubera because I feel like it was starting to drag (didn't help it kind of did the HxH thing and disappeared for a bit). But it's a really good one to read and if it does get animated, I'll definitely watch.
I caught the first episode of ToG and it is pretty neat. I like the animation style more than anything. It's a fresh feel to the scene. I don't know anything about the source material, so this is my first exposure to it. I think. I may have read a chapter or two before...
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ToG is a really good mix of survival game and fantasy until helltrain. From there on out it becomes increasingly DBZ.
And I agree that Kubera is dragging a bit sadly. It always was a bit slow-paced though.
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Episode 2 was pretty good. It wasn't too rushed and wasn't too slow. It didn't feel like half an hour at all. So far, I'd say the anime is turning out better than I thought it would.
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Can't wait for the next few eps, the crown game is what I wanted to see animated the most ever since I first started reading ToG all those years ago..
Overall the show now feels much better than the first episode, and actually feels as nice as I hoped it would.
Also hope Androssi's voice will match what I always pictured it in my head.
Koon so far does not feel like the char I remember him to be from the webtoon, but he'll end up feeling that way sooner or later.
Baam being Yoru and Rachel being Lahelu is really frustrating though, but oh well, will get used to it I guess..
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Watching those episodes just reminds me of how many interesting characters and their motivations were waylaid for developing Bam's power instead after the 2nd floor.
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So its only been a month but i already forgot and im too lazy to look up but: Who told Bam that Rachel supposedly reached the top of the tower? Did he just assume so? But in reality shes just a weak noname grunt #23? How much time passed between her leaving him and him getting into the tower? The anime did a pretty poor job at explaining the overall premiss of the tower imho.
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Hmm the editing is back to being ADHD jump cuts and random music choices. I guess this is just the style they're going for. Not sure if I'm a fan of it. I've always envisioned TOG to be a pretty relaxed series but the anime makes it seem to be some kind of coked up fever dream. I understand that this is meant for younger audiences but at the same time I can't help but feel disappointed.
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On April 23 2020 09:22 Warri wrote:
So its only been a month but i already forgot and im too lazy to look up but: Who told Bam that Rachel supposedly reached the top of the tower? Did he just assume so? But in reality shes just a weak noname grunt #23? How much time passed between her leaving him and him getting into the tower? The anime did a pretty poor job at explaining the overall premiss of the tower imho.
Headon heavily suggests that Baam finds Rachel up the tower. "If you want to find your answer and your girl, head up".(Toon) "All you desire is up there" (Anime)
On April 18 2020 22:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Watching those episodes just reminds me of how many interesting characters and their motivations were waylaid for developing Bam's power instead after the 2nd floor.
Yeah watching these is both fun and painful. ToG used to be really creative, smart and special, with a large set of characters with their own motivations, powers and bonds. Now the story is entirely focused on Baam and all problems get solved by force.
On a side note: I'm surprised that the anime actually cuts down on the text. Headon explains a lot more in the webtoon than in the anime and their dialogue has a lot of implications (and manipulations) that are missing. Rachel in the toon seems a lot less caring and more resolved (and actually a little wacky), which fits better to where the story leads her. In the anime it also looks like Headon is pulling Baam into the tower, which again doesn't work with the toon plot.
It's still nice to see it moving.
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Back when Batoto were translating, they also included SIU's afterword. In one of them around the end of season 1 (shortly after the start of 2, iirc?) SIU straight up said that his editor told him to make ToG more appealing to younger readers with more action and less serious themes.
Read between the lines and in hindsight it was a pretty explicit "you got a reader base hooked with this, now that you got yourself noticed time to switch to a shonen".
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... ToG has an editor? Sounds like they should’ve dumped the editor for quality art staff, tbh.
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more like publisher probs
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On April 25 2020 10:51 Alaric wrote:
Back when Batoto were translating, they also included SIU's afterword. In one of them around the end of season 1 (shortly after the start of 2, iirc?) SIU straight up said that his editor told him to make ToG more appealing to younger readers with more action and less serious themes.
Read between the lines and in hindsight it was a pretty explicit "you got a reader base hooked with this, now that you got yourself noticed time to switch to a shonen".
Feels like the quality of the story elements dropped as well as the quantity, but yes it's a typical sellout-move and therefore sounds exactly like something an editor would recommend.
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I really love how they did such a good job at replicating ToG's art style in the anime.
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On April 27 2020 16:54 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2020 10:51 Alaric wrote:
Back when Batoto were translating, they also included SIU's afterword. In one of them around the end of season 1 (shortly after the start of 2, iirc?) SIU straight up said that his editor told him to make ToG more appealing to younger readers with more action and less serious themes.
Read between the lines and in hindsight it was a pretty explicit "you got a reader base hooked with this, now that you got yourself noticed time to switch to a shonen". Feels like the quality of the story elements dropped as well as the quantity, but yes it's a typical sellout-move and therefore sounds exactly like something an editor would recommend.
Biggest issue for me regarding the story is the recent Canine-People arch. It started out great with BAM advocating to participate and negotiate with Yama, but then the story framed the Tooth game as releasing some super powerful evil that should never be released. Doom ends up being one of the nicest people and self-doubting members of the entire canine people who is morally obligated to his father along with his brothers. like WTF? the switch up from him being this overwhelmingly powerful evil that should never be released to being a big brother who is possibly weaker than the other 2, is so inconsistent.
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Imo ever since the helltrain arc the story quality dropped a ton. Went from the huge setup and a ton of backstory to the continued powerup fight in the virtual world with exactly 0 strategy to the end battle where just ends up with White getting straight overpowered by Baam's random sudden powerup, over White surviving the whole ordeal somehow. To the blood stage where Urek ends up looking like an idiot (and White doing pointless stuff without consequence) over to the pure battle arc at the last station where basically a full squad fights and literally nothing happens outside of people flying through the air and explosions. Now White is suddenly a good guy after eating the people whom Baam considered family before and being a violent psycho beyond redemption throughout his introduction arc. Then there is Khun who he acts like an idiot, gets his ass handed as a result, gets deus ex machina revived and a random support powerup because that's the only thing that makes any of Baam's comrades useful nowadays.
Canine Arc is mainly disappointing for me because I hoped that the drop in quality was a result of constant release pressure and that Siu's break would allow him to setup a good arc. But yes it's kinda ridiculous that they wanted to revive Doom who ends up just being weaker than Yama. Like what exactly was Paul's plan to deal with Yama again?
Then there's the wall fight where people send Baam and his team to stop Kallavan somehow and end up getting saved by a character who after a bloody war decides that she wants to try out the other side and trusted a random stranger who was literally her worst enemy. She doesn't even consider that her former almost lover might get revived. And the entire Yasratcha introduction which basically came down to people standing in the air and screaming with the only notable character dying being the guy who had so many death marks that I was surprised he survived Doom's release.
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The plan regarding the canine people hinged on the fact that Yama can control them like a leader does, while Doom is the only one able to make new ones (while also having some kind of mind control on them iirc?) and being the original Slayer.
Yama wanted to kill Doom when they originally fought, as Doom used the canine people as tools while Yama viewed them as some kind of family (was there any explanation about why Doom's now a softie for everyone and not just his brothers?), but in doing that he would also kill the entire race over a matter of a couple generations. Hence why he was sealed and kept alive.
Maybe Paul and the others assumed Doom was sealed because Yama couldn't kill him, without realising that he actually straight-up lost their fight and would have no way of having closed the gap during his sleep?
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I am 99% sure that Paul remembered that Yama was able to use final transformation and that he was scared as hell of that, so I'm pretty sure that Paul either knew that Doom lost to Yama in a 1v1 or fought side by side with him against Yama.
Also Doom is the one able to mindcontrol the canine people with his fang.
I get why Doom was sealed, although I don't get why Yama puts such high value on Doom's spreading ability. They acted as if the canine people becoming normal people would be a huge deal and basically doom the "race" (which it isn't), which seems pretty dishonest to me. "You can only matter for me if you are like me" basically. I don't see the big problem if the canine people just become normal people who follow Yama because he cares.
Tbf until the wall-sub-arc started canine arc was better than the ones since helltrain, since there was actually a story-buildup, most of the motivations and limitations of powerhouses made sense and Baam's role in the story fit where he stood as the ace in the hole everybody underestimates. It's just Paul's side that doesn't make any sense and I didn't like Baam's somewhat forced and very predictable powerup.
Doom being a sudden softie is just in line with arc-enemies since Beta who currently get introduced as psychos and then end up as nice guys once they join the crew. Tbf Doom only showed care about his family so far, got played with twice since he woke up and was mainly arrogant/vain in the flashbacks instead of straight psycho like White and Beta.
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I just watched like 3 episodes of the anime back to back and it was actually pretty good. The quality fluctuates and the music choice is still kinda shit but I enjoyed it like a proper guilty pleasure. It kind of reminded me why I started reading the manga in the first place. Then I read the latest chapter.........................
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