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Sassback
United States718 Posts
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On June 11 2013 18:14 Domus wrote: There is just a lot wrong with such a statement because it is basic human behavior to: - Focus on flaws - Overlook improvements - Think of a second version/adaption as the non-authentic/lesser version. They have an extensive crew on this production that have probably read the books 10 times as often as you have. I think it is unlikely they are making changes unnecessarily, although you might disagree with their reasons or not know them. that's maybe YOUR opinion. the writers are for sure no fucking gods that know everything better. and the writing of the characters is just plain bad for stannis or dany. there is a little thing though you seem to forget: MONEY. if they don't change as much they can't charge as much. pretty easy explanation why they change things that don't need to be changed. | ||
Flicky
England2670 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 11 2013 19:13 fleeze wrote: that's maybe YOUR opinion. the writers are for sure no fucking gods that know everything better. and the writing of the characters is just plain bad for stannis or dany. there is a little thing though you seem to forget: MONEY. if they don't change as much they can't charge as much. pretty easy explanation why they change things that don't need to be changed. Who are you to judge what doesn't need to be changed? I'd say the writers and G.R.R. Martin have better insight in that than any of us do. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On June 11 2013 19:19 DarkLordOlli wrote: Who are you to judge what doesn't need to be changed? I'd say the writers and G.R.R. Martin have better insight in that than any of us do. maybe they have. maybe they just cater to their researched target audience. blind trust in anyone is still not really helpfull. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On June 11 2013 18:37 disciple wrote: how will this early arrive back of Jaime affect the events of Joffreys wedding ? they will put him in a really arya like situation where he will helplessly watch the deaths of his family members They'll probably send him back north with the Kingsguard BEFORE the wedding happens. I think they just wanted to show him returning to Kings Landing as part of the finale to kind of leave the audience with a tiny bit of a cliffhanger. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 11 2013 19:25 fleeze wrote: maybe they have. maybe they just cater to their researched target audience. blind trust in anyone is still not really helpfull. It isn't but blind criticism isn't either. And I don't think any of us has the necessary insight to really comment on the process of writing, whether it be books or scripts for television. I personally don't like the twists they've made to Stannis' character but I also think he's been a very effective, interesting and polarizing character in the show the way he's been portrayed so I can't really say that they've made a mistake with it. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On June 11 2013 19:30 DarkLordOlli wrote: It isn't but blind criticism isn't either. And I don't think any of us has the necessary insight to really comment on the process of writing, whether it be books or scripts for television. I personally don't like the twists they've made to Stannis' character but I also think he's been a very effective, interesting and polarizing character in the show the way he's been portrayed so I can't really say that they've made a mistake with it. ...... we read the books. we have insight. the criticism of stannis for example is FAR from blind. you even agree and then you excuse the writers for making him a totally different character as he is in the books (as if he wasn't interesting enough in the books...). i just don't understand people like you... | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 11 2013 19:33 fleeze wrote: ...... we read the books. we have insight. the criticism of stannis for example is FAR from blind. you even agree and then you excuse the writers for making him a totally different character as he is in the books (as if he wasn't interesting enough in the books...). i just don't understand people like you... I said it earlier, television is a different medium. Among tons of other things you can go into far greater detail in a book and still have some imagination left for the reader to "complete" characters in their minds. Television doesn't allow for that. Now, I don't know why they changed Stannis the way they did but who knows, maybe it's a better way to portray him on TV considering how the rest of his story plays out (which the writers actually know about). Maybe he's more interesting to a broader audience or maybe he's more polarizing this way, which could help them fill the void that Ned's and now Robb and Catelyn's deaths left on viewers that haven't read the books. I've read them and I liked Stannis' character as he was but who knows, maybe he wouldn't have had the effect he did have. I'd have liked them to leave him be as he is in the books but I can't say they've made a mistake changing him. He's still impacting viewers, his storyline is still interesting and most of all I can't really tell yet because the show isn't finished so no way to know how they're going to make his story and character play out. Also G.R.R. Martin is personally consulting them and helping them create the show, even directing certain episodes. He's written for television before. So I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing and he wouldn't let his story be completely changed on him in a way he didn't like. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 11 2013 19:13 fleeze wrote: that's maybe YOUR opinion. the writers are for sure no fucking gods that know everything better. and the writing of the characters is just plain bad for stannis or dany. And the writing of the characters for Tywin and Tyrion and Cersei and Joffrey and Ned and Robert and Gendry and so on is just plain awesome. And no, that's not just thanks to GRRM's writing. That's thanks to the GoT writers who create entirely new and awesome scenes for all these characters. On June 11 2013 19:13 fleeze wrote: there is a little thing though you seem to forget: MONEY. if they don't change as much they can't charge as much. pretty easy explanation why they change things that don't need to be changed. Wat. That.. I don't even know how that is supposed to make any sense whatsoever. o.O Do you think they'd just use the books for the scripts if they wouldn't have changed anything? If so, you have a lot to learn about how filming a TV show works. | ||
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Apoo
413 Posts
so i just watched the third season of Game of Thrones and i enjoy it more and more. So i wanna start reading the book or listening the audiobook (did not decide yet). Where do i have to start reading if i wanna join when the third season is over ? | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On June 11 2013 20:18 Apoo wrote: Hi, so i just watched the third season of Game of Thrones and i enjoy it more and more. So i wanna start reading the book or listening the audiobook (did not decide yet). Where do i have to start reading if i wanna join when the third season is over ? Technically about 2/3 through a storm of swords, but season 3 (and to some extent season 2) have taken so huge steps away from the books that I would advice you to start at the latest with "a clash of kings" (book 2), and really the right way to do it is to start with the first book. The books are much more detailed and if you really want to gain an appreciation for the characters and their personalities you should read it from the start, there are a lot of personality traits that do not come across in the tv series even if the first season was fairly faithful to the books. EDIT: Regarding audiobook: I think ASOIAF lends itself best to reading due to the large number of characters, places, etc. (though previous exposure through the TV series will help) However I have listened to the audiobook and it is quite good so if you really don't like reading for some reason you should try it out, | ||
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Apoo
413 Posts
On June 11 2013 20:30 rasnj wrote: Technically about 2/3 through a storm of swords, but season 3 (and to some extent season 2) have taken so huge steps away from the books that I would advice you to start at the latest with "a clash of kings" (book 2), and really the right way to do it is to start with the first book. The books are much more detailed and if you really want to gain an appreciation for the characters and their personalities you should read it from the start, there are a lot of personality traits that do not come across in the tv series even if the first season was fairly faithful to the books. Thank you, i think i will listen to the audiobooks then and after i get to the end of season three i will read the books. | ||
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SF-Fork
Russian Federation1401 Posts
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On June 11 2013 21:30 c0ldfusion wrote: Doesn't look like book 6 will be here for a while. According to his website, he's been busying compiling some short story collection and buying a theater in Santa Fe. Someone needs to go Misery style on GRRM. Chain him to a desk, break both his legs and tell him to get going with the typing! Jokes aside, we all know it´s gonna take him forever to complete the damn thing so like, don't hold your breath. GRRM is worse then Blizzard. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On June 11 2013 21:52 Telcontar wrote: What is up with GRRM's motivation to finish the series? Is he stuck again on something or does he not enjoy writing the series anymore? It's so friggin frustrating! He said on multiple occasions that he takes as much time to write the books as he damn well pleases, and doesn't let fan whining influence what he does. Or, as Neil Gaiman put it: George ain't your bitch. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On June 11 2013 22:01 Conti wrote: He said on multiple occasions that he takes as much time to write the books as he damn well pleases, and doesn't let fan whining influence what he does. Or, as Neil Gaiman put it: George ain't your bitch. And every GRRM fan knows that. That doesn't mean all our questions and frustrations just disappear into thin air. We're just trying to figure out the why. Why speculate when everyone knows we can't do shit to make him hurry up? I guess it's because we can, and don't have much else to do except come up with theories and wait. We're also just concerned that ill fortune could rob us of a conclusion to this series, especially since GRRM has said he doesn't want anyone else finishing it if he were unable to. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
So yeah, he can not really take 10 years for it again. | ||
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