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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
June 18 2011 00:50 GMT
#521
In regards to the dragons appearance. I would hope that on the spectrum of CGI with Star Trek being the low side on CGI and Avatar being the high side of CGI. I hope they're closer to the Avatar side of the spectrum. They don't have to be uber like Avatar but dear god don't let them be like 1980s CGI.
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Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
June 18 2011 03:48 GMT
#522
Mods can probably un-spoiler the second post, now. It was funnier before.
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
June 18 2011 14:35 GMT
#523
On June 18 2011 09:50 Xinder wrote:
In regards to the dragons appearance. I would hope that on the spectrum of CGI with Star Trek being the low side on CGI and Avatar being the high side of CGI. I hope they're closer to the Avatar side of the spectrum. They don't have to be uber like Avatar but dear god don't let them be like 1980s CGI.



It probably won't even be gollum-level, given what they've shown so far (unless they've been pooling all their resources to get the dragons right) I wouldn't be surprised if the dragon hatchlings are puppets, actually.
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
June 18 2011 21:46 GMT
#524
I think they are going to hide the dragons visually, we'll hear them scream and see a vague shape of them as dany walks out of the smoke.
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
June 18 2011 21:49 GMT
#525
On June 19 2011 06:46 DM20 wrote:
I think they are going to hide the dragons visually, we'll hear them scream and see a vague shape of them as dany walks out of the smoke.

I'm alright with only showing the build up and aftermath of battles, but I really hope we at least see Dany holding one of the dragons, if not all of them.
Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:31:32
June 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#526
My dearest wish for a CGI budget use are the DIRE WOLVES!!! They were so prominent in the books, but have been completely mis-portrayed by the show so far (cute little huskies with even less knowledge of Starcraft).

As far as dragons; there's been so many CGI dragons made that I'm sure that it's not very expensive by now to do it properly. I'm sure that they can buy a "template" from someone and then tweak it instead of building them from the ground up.
Sentient
Profile Joined April 2010
United States437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 00:59:26
June 19 2011 00:59 GMT
#527
My biggest fear is that they avoid rendering dragons entirely. They could easily just end the season with the eggs cracking, without actually revealing the dragons. Though if they did that, I think a lot of people would be really pissed off.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 01:07:13
June 19 2011 01:05 GMT
#528
if i remember what I read correctly, tomorrow should have at least one significant surprise for book readers as well as new viewers. dont want to say anything more, but lets hope it does not disappoint

On June 19 2011 09:59 Sentient wrote:
My biggest fear is that they avoid rendering dragons entirely. They could easily just end the season with the eggs cracking, without actually revealing the dragons. Though if they did that, I think a lot of people would be really pissed off.

i could almost see this happening but it's just way too much of a tease to do something like that. they've got to show dragons, though it could just be for a mere split second
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
June 19 2011 01:21 GMT
#529
The interview said they'll have to budget their uses carefully between naval battles, dragons, and dire wolves in S2 - I imagine they're going to show the dragons at -least- in this episode.

The season finale will not be remotely as cool if they don't.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
June 19 2011 01:23 GMT
#530
I love how everyone's going to be so hyped for a year about the dragons only to see them do almost nothing for a very long time
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stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
June 19 2011 01:27 GMT
#531
On June 19 2011 10:23 Zelniq wrote:
I love how everyone's going to be so hyped for a year about the dragons only to see them do almost nothing for a very long time


Its the only bit of good news until Joffrey's wedding.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
June 19 2011 01:29 GMT
#532
My dream for the dragons is Jim Henson-style animatronics
ModeratorGood content always wins.
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 01:44:20
June 19 2011 01:41 GMT
#533
I just finished the series for the first time, and I can't help but say that the 4th book was easily the weakest of all of them. There were not enough Arya chapters, and far too many Dorne/Brienne chapters. Right now it just feels like the Dornish aren't really ever going to play a big role in the series, because of how many people actually ARE trying to get "in" with Dany. You've got the Greyjoys, the Dornish, and then Tyrion falls in there, and it's also inevitable that Jon and Dany meet as well, which may end up kindling some sort of fire.

Also, I'm very curious to see where Jaime will come into the story in the future, because after the inevitable downfall of House Lannister, I don't really know what/where he's supposed to go. If Cersei confesses about the incest, Tommen will be removed from the throne, Stannis will take it, and Jaime will at the very least have to enter exile.

If that is the case, I can see Jaime going to try to join Dany and Tyrion. I realize the issues that would cause w/ Dany, him being the Kingslayer and all, but Dany has been shown to be very forgiving. The question is, would she be able to forgive Jaime for killing Aerys (?) knowing Jaime's full reasons for why (Barristan Selmy would also help Jaime's cause in this, because he's told Dany before that her father actually WAS mad.)

Also, when Dany DOES descend upon Westeros, do you think Stannis would be willing to side with her? She technically is the rightful heir to the throne, and with the looming threat of the Others it would seem the best thing to do would be to put aside all differences.
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happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
June 19 2011 01:45 GMT
#534
On June 19 2011 10:29 motbob wrote:
My dream for the dragons is Jim Henson-style animatronics


I would prefer that. Television CGI looks awful usually, heck even movie cgi looks bad to me often
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
June 19 2011 01:48 GMT
#535
On June 19 2011 10:45 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 10:29 motbob wrote:
My dream for the dragons is Jim Henson-style animatronics


I would prefer that. Television CGI looks awful usually, heck even movie cgi looks bad to me often


Pretty much I would be like.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 02:03:04
June 19 2011 01:56 GMT
#536
On June 19 2011 10:41 ryanAnger wrote:
I just finished the series for the first time, and I can't help but say that the 4th book was easily the weakest of all of them. There were not enough Arya chapters, and far too many Dorne/Brienne chapters. Right now it just feels like the Dornish aren't really ever going to play a big role in the series, because of how many people actually ARE trying to get "in" with Dany. You've got the Greyjoys, the Dornish, and then Tyrion falls in there, and it's also inevitable that Jon and Dany meet as well, which may end up kindling some sort of fire.

Also, I'm very curious to see where Jaime will come into the story in the future, because after the inevitable downfall of House Lannister, I don't really know what/where he's supposed to go. If Cersei confesses about the incest, Tommen will be removed from the throne, Stannis will take it, and Jaime will at the very least have to enter exile.

If that is the case, I can see Jaime going to try to join Dany and Tyrion. I realize the issues that would cause w/ Dany, him being the Kingslayer and all, but Dany has been shown to be very forgiving. The question is, would she be able to forgive Jaime for killing Aerys (?) knowing Jaime's full reasons for why (Barristan Selmy would also help Jaime's cause in this, because he's told Dany before that her father actually WAS mad.)

Also, when Dany DOES descend upon Westeros, do you think Stannis would be willing to side with her? She technically is the rightful heir to the throne, and with the looming threat of the Others it would seem the best thing to do would be to put aside all differences.


Why doesn't anyone like Brienne, I thought she was a lot better then some of the main characters, and this whole possible Jaime-Brienne relationship area is rather interesting.
I hope Jaime doesn't get cast out of the story. I'm liking him a lot more. Somehow I don't see him ending up with Dany. IMO House Lannister still has a ways to go. The Tyrells are so spread out and Mace is such a terrible military commander that I could see the Lannisters taking them out.
And I bet Dany does some shit in the Free Cities before she finally hits Westeros (probably book 6ish). I honestly don't think Stannis and her will get a long either, if they even meet. I have a feeling he's not going to beat the Others.
At which case Jon (obviously being Rhaegar's son yadada) will join with Dany and they'll fight the Others in an ultimate climax of Ice and Fire. Rhillor or whatever his name is, is the God of Light, not fire. And I've never really gotten a vibe that he's actually the good guy. I mean, what good god demands sacrifices etc.
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stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
June 19 2011 02:14 GMT
#537
Unless Brienne survives, her storyline seems insignificant in the grand schemes of things. She ran around Westeros looking for Sansa/Arya and failed. With so many chapters devoted to her, it felt redundant and we were robbed of better chapters from the other POV's. But since its GRRM, it is possible for him to pull something out of his rear to make it worthwhile. If not, we got trolled by a bunch of useless chapters.
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 02:32:25
June 19 2011 02:29 GMT
#538
On June 19 2011 06:46 DM20 wrote:
I think they are going to hide the dragons visually, we'll hear them scream and see a vague shape of them as dany walks out of the smoke.


isn't one of them supposed to be breastfeeding or something? I don't really remember, but I think that if they're going to do that scene justice, they have to show some kind of interaction with the actress. But yeah, they'll probably show as little of them as possible

On June 19 2011 10:29 motbob wrote:
My dream for the dragons is Jim Henson-style animatronics


considering what you can do with good camera work and high quality animatronics with CG touch-up, animatronics would probably be a really good way to go. I also want The Dark Crystal - the tv series...
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
June 19 2011 02:30 GMT
#539
On June 19 2011 10:41 ryanAnger wrote:
I just finished the series for the first time, and I can't help but say that the 4th book was easily the weakest of all of them. There were not enough Arya chapters, and far too many Dorne/Brienne chapters. Right now it just feels like the Dornish aren't really ever going to play a big role in the series, because of how many people actually ARE trying to get "in" with Dany. You've got the Greyjoys, the Dornish, and then Tyrion falls in there, and it's also inevitable that Jon and Dany meet as well, which may end up kindling some sort of fire.

Also, I'm very curious to see where Jaime will come into the story in the future, because after the inevitable downfall of House Lannister, I don't really know what/where he's supposed to go. If Cersei confesses about the incest, Tommen will be removed from the throne, Stannis will take it, and Jaime will at the very least have to enter exile.

If that is the case, I can see Jaime going to try to join Dany and Tyrion. I realize the issues that would cause w/ Dany, him being the Kingslayer and all, but Dany has been shown to be very forgiving. The question is, would she be able to forgive Jaime for killing Aerys (?) knowing Jaime's full reasons for why (Barristan Selmy would also help Jaime's cause in this, because he's told Dany before that her father actually WAS mad.)

Also, when Dany DOES descend upon Westeros, do you think Stannis would be willing to side with her? She technically is the rightful heir to the throne, and with the looming threat of the Others it would seem the best thing to do would be to put aside all differences.


I don't think the Kingslayer is going to join the woman whose family he betrayed and slaughtered. Nor do I think a freaking Baratheon is going to join the Targaryens. Those are the first two names any Targaryen is going to be looking to execute.

Lol I think you're definitely barking up the wrong tree here with the whole Daenerys forgiveness thing. She's no fool.
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
June 19 2011 02:49 GMT
#540
On June 19 2011 11:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 10:41 ryanAnger wrote:
I just finished the series for the first time, and I can't help but say that the 4th book was easily the weakest of all of them. There were not enough Arya chapters, and far too many Dorne/Brienne chapters. Right now it just feels like the Dornish aren't really ever going to play a big role in the series, because of how many people actually ARE trying to get "in" with Dany. You've got the Greyjoys, the Dornish, and then Tyrion falls in there, and it's also inevitable that Jon and Dany meet as well, which may end up kindling some sort of fire.

Also, I'm very curious to see where Jaime will come into the story in the future, because after the inevitable downfall of House Lannister, I don't really know what/where he's supposed to go. If Cersei confesses about the incest, Tommen will be removed from the throne, Stannis will take it, and Jaime will at the very least have to enter exile.

If that is the case, I can see Jaime going to try to join Dany and Tyrion. I realize the issues that would cause w/ Dany, him being the Kingslayer and all, but Dany has been shown to be very forgiving. The question is, would she be able to forgive Jaime for killing Aerys (?) knowing Jaime's full reasons for why (Barristan Selmy would also help Jaime's cause in this, because he's told Dany before that her father actually WAS mad.)

Also, when Dany DOES descend upon Westeros, do you think Stannis would be willing to side with her? She technically is the rightful heir to the throne, and with the looming threat of the Others it would seem the best thing to do would be to put aside all differences.


I don't think the Kingslayer is going to join the woman whose family he betrayed and slaughtered. Nor do I think a freaking Baratheon is going to join the Targaryens. Those are the first two names any Targaryen is going to be looking to execute.

Lol I think you're definitely barking up the wrong tree here with the whole Daenerys forgiveness thing. She's no fool.


Eh, I don't know, aside from the whole incest thing and throwing Bran out the window, nothing Jaime has really done has been overtly bad. Sure he killed the king, but that was all for a good reason (imo) and it seems like everything bad he's done has been for love, or to fulfill the huge expectations that his father has set for him. Also, Jaime has always been "kind" to his brother as far as I can tell (aside from the Tysha ordeal, but again that was more his fathers doing) and I think that Tyrion could do good things for Jaime when it comes to dealing with Dany. Dany is level-headed and she's never really been quick to make judgement of people.
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