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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 04 2016 17:30 GMT
#4021
I don't know if Gray knows about the whole Zeref dies = Natsu dies thing. Besides why does he need to talk like he is going to kill him? Not like he has to fool anyone, he legit wants to kill him.
Never Knows Best.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 05 2016 01:39 GMT
#4022
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
October 05 2016 05:46 GMT
#4023
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
October 05 2016 05:47 GMT
#4024
either way, theere should be absolutely no way atm that gray can kill natsu(or even do anything to him really).
the power level is just not there.
Then again this is FT we're talking about where power levels are depending on what mashima had for breakfast that day.
I don't believe you.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 06 2016 05:10 GMT
#4025
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 06:04:38
October 06 2016 06:04 GMT
#4026
On October 06 2016 14:10 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means


Actually means exactly what I said in the post.
I don't think you understand what "basic character motivations" means
Another point by the way - it would just be absolutely retarded if ANY of the fairy tail members atm 'would not care about killing Zeref' after everything he's done. Hell he is the only reason why this war even exists.
I don't believe you.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9006 Posts
October 06 2016 06:56 GMT
#4027
On October 06 2016 15:04 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 14:10 Forikorder wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means


Actually means exactly what I said in the post.
I don't think you understand what "basic character motivations" means
Another point by the way - it would just be absolutely retarded if ANY of the fairy tail members atm 'would not care about killing Zeref' after everything he's done. Hell he is the only reason why this war even exists.

I think you meant to say "indirectly" instead of "directly." Zeref didn't kill Ur with his own hands. His demon did. By extension, Zeref is responsible, but he didn't do it himself. Make sense? Like how Erza blames herself for killing Simon, even though it was Jellal that killed him. She's "indirectly" responsible.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-06 09:25:02
October 06 2016 09:24 GMT
#4028
On October 06 2016 15:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 15:04 abuse wrote:
On October 06 2016 14:10 Forikorder wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means


Actually means exactly what I said in the post.
I don't think you understand what "basic character motivations" means
Another point by the way - it would just be absolutely retarded if ANY of the fairy tail members atm 'would not care about killing Zeref' after everything he's done. Hell he is the only reason why this war even exists.

I think you meant to say "indirectly" instead of "directly." Zeref didn't kill Ur with his own hands. His demon did. By extension, Zeref is responsible, but he didn't do it himself. Make sense? Like how Erza blames herself for killing Simon, even though it was Jellal that killed him. She's "indirectly" responsible.


While what you say is also true, it's still open to interpretation.
No Zeref = Ur would be alive, and zeref is responsible for what his demons do. So that's what I'm going with.
Either way the gramatic usage of the word 'directly' or 'indirectly' does not take away from the points I made.
I don't believe you.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 06 2016 15:48 GMT
#4029
On October 06 2016 15:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 15:04 abuse wrote:
On October 06 2016 14:10 Forikorder wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means


Actually means exactly what I said in the post.
I don't think you understand what "basic character motivations" means
Another point by the way - it would just be absolutely retarded if ANY of the fairy tail members atm 'would not care about killing Zeref' after everything he's done. Hell he is the only reason why this war even exists.

I think you meant to say "indirectly" instead of "directly." Zeref didn't kill Ur with his own hands. His demon did. By extension, Zeref is responsible, but he didn't do it himself. Make sense? Like how Erza blames herself for killing Simon, even though it was Jellal that killed him. She's "indirectly" responsible.

technically the demon didnt even kill her, she killed herself
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9006 Posts
October 06 2016 17:24 GMT
#4030
+1 Forikorder

We'll agree to disagree? I want to know what's happening with Gildarts. I'm so disappointed he didn't get enough screen time in this last arc. And we need more of the other guilds as well. Where did they run off to?
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
October 06 2016 21:59 GMT
#4031
On October 07 2016 00:48 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 15:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On October 06 2016 15:04 abuse wrote:
On October 06 2016 14:10 Forikorder wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means


Actually means exactly what I said in the post.
I don't think you understand what "basic character motivations" means
Another point by the way - it would just be absolutely retarded if ANY of the fairy tail members atm 'would not care about killing Zeref' after everything he's done. Hell he is the only reason why this war even exists.

I think you meant to say "indirectly" instead of "directly." Zeref didn't kill Ur with his own hands. His demon did. By extension, Zeref is responsible, but he didn't do it himself. Make sense? Like how Erza blames herself for killing Simon, even though it was Jellal that killed him. She's "indirectly" responsible.

technically the demon didnt even kill her, she killed herself



what...
She did what she did to seal the demon.
If you want to go all 'technical' then she didn't even kill herself, she sealed herself, along with deliora.
Seriously what the hell is this even.
This conversation is about Gray having a motivation to kill Zeref, not grammar lessons and random technicalities.
I don't believe you.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
October 06 2016 22:00 GMT
#4032
On October 07 2016 02:24 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
+1 Forikorder

We'll agree to disagree? I want to know what's happening with Gildarts. I'm so disappointed he didn't get enough screen time in this last arc. And we need more of the other guilds as well. Where did they run off to?


gildarts sadly has become a background character
in the last (or 2nd to last, don't remember) chapter he is shown in a frame and he is just 'fighting like the rest of ft' and he is dirty and a little messed up and whatnot.
too bad really.
I don't believe you.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-07 05:55:14
October 07 2016 05:53 GMT
#4033
On October 07 2016 06:59 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2016 00:48 Forikorder wrote:
On October 06 2016 15:56 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On October 06 2016 15:04 abuse wrote:
On October 06 2016 14:10 Forikorder wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:46 abuse wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 Forikorder wrote:
when has Grey ever mentioned he cared about killing Zeref? hes been obsessed only with demons


you know, it's kind of weird to think about killing END who is a creation of Zeref only because deliora was also a creation of zeref, while not wanting to kill Zeref himself who is actually directly responsible for Ur's death. you know. unlike natsu

i dont think you understand what the word "directly" means


Actually means exactly what I said in the post.
I don't think you understand what "basic character motivations" means
Another point by the way - it would just be absolutely retarded if ANY of the fairy tail members atm 'would not care about killing Zeref' after everything he's done. Hell he is the only reason why this war even exists.

I think you meant to say "indirectly" instead of "directly." Zeref didn't kill Ur with his own hands. His demon did. By extension, Zeref is responsible, but he didn't do it himself. Make sense? Like how Erza blames herself for killing Simon, even though it was Jellal that killed him. She's "indirectly" responsible.

technically the demon didnt even kill her, she killed herself



what...
She did what she did to seal the demon.
If you want to go all 'technical' then she didn't even kill herself, she sealed herself, along with deliora.
Seriously what the hell is this even.
This conversation is about Gray having a motivation to kill Zeref, not grammar lessons and random technicalities.

another good point, Zeref was in no way responsible for Urs death because Ur never died

if anything Natsu might be since Ur is now water and Natsu uses fire that evaportates water so he may have evaporated part of Ur at some point

so not only is Natsu the ultimate Demon END that Gray swore to kill no matter what but he may also be responsible for killing Ur so 2 reasons to kill him but no reasons to kill Zeref

gildarts sadly has become a background character


he basically always has been, he was too strong to ever be present in the main story because every arc wouold just end with "gildarts fucked everyone up"
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1940 Posts
October 07 2016 06:40 GMT
#4034
man are you serious?

i can't even argue with such logic.
it's just too good.
I don't believe you.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 07 2016 06:44 GMT
#4035
On October 07 2016 15:40 abuse wrote:
man are you serious?

i can't even argue with such logic.
it's just too good.

anyways basically what it comes down to is meeting his dad again seriously fucked up Gray and since then hes been obsessively going after the demons and not once shown any interest at all in Zeref, hes got some serious emotional problems going on that hes ignoring by focusing everything on killing demons

to him its not "Natsu is suddenly END" its "END has been playing me this whole time"
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
October 07 2016 07:53 GMT
#4036
I just can't feel hyped for this fight. I feel like Gray has no real motive whatsoever. It's all for the sake of pitting him against Natsu. Sad.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 07 2016 15:06 GMT
#4037
course its also possible Gray is seeing Natsu is going insane and is just trying to knock some sense into him so hell calm down and they can actually talk
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 07 2016 15:58 GMT
#4038
It's too bad Gray is too genre-blind to realize Juvia was just "lul not-deaded" 15 seconds after he left the panel
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18524 Posts
October 08 2016 10:46 GMT
#4039
Bets on if he is really gone?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 08 2016 14:48 GMT
#4040
Didn't he die last arc too? Or am I misremembering?
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