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On November 25 2013 16:58 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 16:41 SilverSkyLark wrote:
The Moment is that powerful? It can let people in and out of Timelocked events ezmode? Technically the moment let the doctors in and out before the timelock occurred. The effect of the retcon is basically that this is what "really" had happened while 9/10/11 all had the impression that something else entirely occurred.
Sounds about right. Time corrected itself. War Doctor only remembers what happened up until right before he saw The Moment's interface. 9/10/11 certainly don't remember the Interface. He remembers deciding to push the big red button and putting his hand on it. And when he came to, regenerated at the 9th Doctor, he sees Gallifrey destroyed. He puts 2 and 2 together and thinks it was because he pushed the button.
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I wish 9 had been in the special. I have a serious soft spot for him, it's a shame Eccleston has such a bad taste in his mouth for Doctor Who.
I just rewatched the episode 'Dalek' and it's one of my favorites still. I'm a little iffy on the whole washing his hands free of it thing, but the two things I keep in mind are: it's still a show for kids at its heart and it's got the potential to give us some cool new episodes. We'll probably get to see an angsty Doctor deal with corrupt Time Lords (eventually) and maybe we'll get a new Master.
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On November 26 2013 18:24 Dismay wrote:
I wish 9 had been in the special. I have a serious soft spot for him, it's a shame Eccleston has such a bad taste in his mouth for Doctor Who.
I just rewatched the episode 'Dalek' and it's one of my favorites still. I'm a little iffy on the whole washing his hands free of it thing, but the two things I keep in mind are: it's still a show for kids at its heart and it's got the potential to give us some cool new episodes. We'll probably get to see an angsty Doctor deal with corrupt Time Lords (eventually) and maybe we'll get a new Master.
Eccleston said that he turned down being in this movie because he didn't think his role was big enough in the script they sent him that had the 9th. He doesn't seem to really have anything against Who.
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On November 27 2013 04:38 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:24 Dismay wrote:
I wish 9 had been in the special. I have a serious soft spot for him, it's a shame Eccleston has such a bad taste in his mouth for Doctor Who.
I just rewatched the episode 'Dalek' and it's one of my favorites still. I'm a little iffy on the whole washing his hands free of it thing, but the two things I keep in mind are: it's still a show for kids at its heart and it's got the potential to give us some cool new episodes. We'll probably get to see an angsty Doctor deal with corrupt Time Lords (eventually) and maybe we'll get a new Master. Eccleston said that he turned down being in this movie because he didn't think his role was big enough in the script they sent him that had the 9th. He doesn't seem to really have anything against Who.
He does, read elsewhere. He had some serious personal issues with the producers.
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On November 27 2013 04:38 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 18:24 Dismay wrote:
I wish 9 had been in the special. I have a serious soft spot for him, it's a shame Eccleston has such a bad taste in his mouth for Doctor Who.
I just rewatched the episode 'Dalek' and it's one of my favorites still. I'm a little iffy on the whole washing his hands free of it thing, but the two things I keep in mind are: it's still a show for kids at its heart and it's got the potential to give us some cool new episodes. We'll probably get to see an angsty Doctor deal with corrupt Time Lords (eventually) and maybe we'll get a new Master. Eccleston said that he turned down being in this movie because he didn't think his role was big enough in the script they sent him that had the 9th. He doesn't seem to really have anything against Who.
http://badwilf.co.uk/?p=820
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i liked the episode.
Also, as a Perry Rhodan reader, the events seemed quite logically consistent.
It was all told from the past, the time it was told from was the Time War. The Moment gave the Doctor a look at a possible future, so they didnt change a fixed event as it didnt happen yet.
The old Doctor said it right, The Moment showed the exact future he needed, as it was the future that was produced by his actions while being influenced by that future.
How The Moment managed to do it....apparently it met Rose in the weavings of time when she was the allknowing Bad Wolf.
of course, after all that the "oh, we simply forgot we did this and instead thought we killed everyone" was a bit lame.
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"Gallifrey falls no more". Brilliant.
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Uh, a few questions.
How come David does not recall saving Gallifrey but recalls getting married to the Queen?
Also, how come Matt knows when he should come in by throwing the fez? That implies that he has the memories of the 10th doctor, right?
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On December 02 2013 15:43 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Uh, a few questions.
How come David does not recall saving Gallifrey but recalls getting married to the Queen?
I think the timelines pretty much corrected itself so that everyone but Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi forgot about meeting other Doctors and what happened on Gallifrey. John Hurt and David Tennant also forgot about anything from Matt Smith's timeline as well, such as meeting Clara.
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Alright, I've been thinking and I have an even bigger freaking problem here:
Go watch The End of Time part 2 again. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Now think:
1) The only possible way to fit that into the new continuity is to have all the shit with Lord President happen before the Doctors show up and blink Gallifrey but AFTER he gets The Moment, so in other words, at the same time as the 50th special (relatively).
2) If that's the case, these follow:
A) Gallifrey is "hell", and that's what the Doctor now wants to bring back.
B) Lord President got zapped back at the end when the Master's machine was destroyed. That means the Time Lords STILL want to end time and The Doctor wants to bring The Master back for some reason.
C) The Time Lords broke every single rule in the Time War (the forbidden weapons, the end of time, more that The Doctor alludes to in The End of Time), bringing them back still on hyper alert mode might not be the best plan, especially considering the Daleks survived as well.
3) So why the fuck does he want to find Gallifrey again?
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Lalalaland34505 Posts
On December 02 2013 15:43 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Uh, a few questions.
How come David does not recall saving Gallifrey but recalls getting married to the Queen?
Also, how come Matt knows when he should come in by throwing the fez? That implies that he has the memories of the 10th doctor, right?
The first time he comes across the Queen he does not have any memories of the encounter and is surprised when she declares him to be her arch enemy or whatever.
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On December 03 2013 00:39 deth2munkies wrote:
3) So why the fuck does he want to find Gallifrey again?
Even if the heads are crazy - and I would love to see a Gallifrey going full psycho - most of its population was just random citizens, victims of the war. That being said, I want a Doctor vs Time Lord episode.
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OH AND ONE MORE:
In End of time Part 2, one of the time lord council says that the MAIN part of the Time War is taking place FAR AWAY from Gallifrey. So if The Doctor used The Moment to end the Time War, and this time he only saves Gallifrey, what happens to the rest of the people getting fucked by the Time War?
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Lalalaland34505 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:25 deth2munkies wrote:
OH AND ONE MORE:
In End of time Part 2, one of the time lord council says that the MAIN part of the Time War is taking place FAR AWAY from Gallifrey. So if The Doctor used The Moment to end the Time War, and this time he only saves Gallifrey, what happens to the rest of the people getting fucked by the Time War?
Something like 'oh this was the final defence so it was all the Daleks vs all the Time Lords at this one location'.
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On December 03 2013 01:27 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 01:25 deth2munkies wrote:
OH AND ONE MORE:
In End of time Part 2, one of the time lord council says that the MAIN part of the Time War is taking place FAR AWAY from Gallifrey. So if The Doctor used The Moment to end the Time War, and this time he only saves Gallifrey, what happens to the rest of the people getting fucked by the Time War? Something like 'oh this was the final defence so it was all the Daleks vs all the Time Lords at this one location'.
Specifically said it was more than just those 2 races and that the lesser ones were, "Dying by the billions, then being revived to find new ways to torment them" or something along those lines.
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LOL there are SO many contradictions in plot lines. I think this is just something you have to accept if you are to have a tv show based entirely on time travel.
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On December 03 2013 05:11 KingofGods wrote:
LOL there are SO many contradictions in plot lines. I think this is just something you have to accept if you are to have a tv show based entirely on time travel.
They've been doing a fairly good job at keeping a cohesive internal mythos so far, at least handwaving some of the bigger problems. Suspension of disbelief about time travel and paradoxes is one thing, but this is changing the foundational event for 7 seasons of the show without any good reason.
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On December 03 2013 11:53 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 05:11 KingofGods wrote:
LOL there are SO many contradictions in plot lines. I think this is just something you have to accept if you are to have a tv show based entirely on time travel. They've been doing a fairly good job at keeping a cohesive internal mythos so far, at least handwaving some of the bigger problems. Suspension of disbelief about time travel and paradoxes is one thing, but this is changing the foundational event for 7 seasons of the show without any good reason.
I think the reason it was done was to continue the character development of the Doctor (and I think that is a fantastic reason). From what I gather from most of the people I know that really like the show it isn't the notion of a time/space machine, or aliens, or sexy companions that keeps them going. It isn't even generally good story telling. It's about having a main character that, for all intents and purposes can be likened to a god who ISN'T impassable. He feels, deeply, and is moved to action by those feelings (cf the starwhale episode). In his own words a lot of what he does is to atone for the horrific evil he (thought) he did to his own people and wants forgiveness. Now he has the opportunity to set everything right and finally get closure.
I think it was a phenomenal choice and I am incredibly excited to see how they carry this on in the future.
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So who is ready for the Christmas Special tonight?
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Oh damn what an episode. Here's to 12 more regenerations
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