On September 29 2015 01:35 Canucklehead wrote: Clara is the best companion! I'm going to miss her. Of course I only started watching this show when she was the companion, but think the impossible girl is awesome and never understood some hate against her. These first 2 eps were fantastic! First person I've seen hate missy too, since she gets pretty much 99% love online and her character is great!
Go back and watch the Eleventh Hour and pretty much all of season 6.
Or just go watch Season 2.
Honestly, my rankings for the new series ignoring the one offs: + Show Spoiler +
1: The Ponds 2: Rose Tyler 3: Captain Jack Harkness (it was twice) 4: Donna Noble 5: Martha Jones (short lived) 6: Clara Oswald 7: Micky (I don't think he really counts, but he beat Clara in the annoying department)
What you'll end up seeing if you watch everything that came before is that Clara is basically a distillation of every boring moment that every other companion has at her BEST. And I do want to make it clear: Jenna Coleman is a great actor, but the writers are giving her shit to work with and she can only do so much.
I may go back to watch other seasons eventually, but I just loved the impossible girl storyline and when the ep revealed why she was called the impossible girl, it gave me mad feels! I started watching the show like a couple of years ago when the entire series was on marathon for like a week, but only picked it up about the time clara was introduced. I had seen some eps prior here and there only before, but after watching that full season I was hooked and watched last season live each week.
Coming in part way is hard to figure out all the lore and stuff since there's so much, but I still like the show a lot. However, it's confusing sometimes with all the time travel stuff and consequences, but then that's inherit with all time shows. Like I'm confused, in the original timeline did he not save davros as a kid and he somehow saved himself only to grow up bitter creating the daleks? However, then did he save him this time to teach him mercy, but he still ended up creating the daleks anyways only with the concept of mercy now and if so wouldn't that have changed how they acted during the war with the timelords? Why doesn't he just kill davros to prevent him from creating the daleks in the first place to prevent the war with the timelords? Is it his moral code not to kill a kid, even though the daleks will end up killing billions?
On September 29 2015 01:35 Canucklehead wrote: Clara is the best companion! I'm going to miss her. Of course I only started watching this show when she was the companion, but think the impossible girl is awesome and never understood some hate against her. These first 2 eps were fantastic! First person I've seen hate missy too, since she gets pretty much 99% love online and her character is great!
Go back and watch the Eleventh Hour and pretty much all of season 6.
Or just go watch Season 2.
Honestly, my rankings for the new series ignoring the one offs: + Show Spoiler +
1: The Ponds 2: Rose Tyler 3: Captain Jack Harkness (it was twice) 4: Donna Noble 5: Martha Jones (short lived) 6: Clara Oswald 7: Micky (I don't think he really counts, but he beat Clara in the annoying department)
What you'll end up seeing if you watch everything that came before is that Clara is basically a distillation of every boring moment that every other companion has at her BEST. And I do want to make it clear: Jenna Coleman is a great actor, but the writers are giving her shit to work with and she can only do so much.
I personally am not a Rose Tyler fan though so I would drop her down last. Really wished Jone had more time though so hard to place her. I would just put her 2nd to last simply because she never really did much.
Regarding Clara, she showed great potential at the start but I think last season the love story that was developed by her got dragged on a bit too long in the stories. We basically got no development of the new doctor. He didnt get much memorable moments and that what really disappointed me last season.
Martha Jones had a very short companion stint, but she came back several times as a supporting character and did fantastically. I loved Rose and her bumbling mom, and she set the standard for how companions act. She also kicked the Doctor's ass into doing things more often than anyone this side of Amy Pond.
On September 29 2015 05:34 Nebuchad wrote: Well Eleventh Hour was probably in the top 5 of TV show episodes ever, so it's not really a fair comparison for the companion.
Top 5 New Who episodes definitely...top 5 of all time, not so sure. Sitting comfortably at #1 on that list for me is the West Wing episode "Two Cathedrals" and Eleventh Hour doesn't come close to that.
Probably my top 5 New Who episodes in loose order:
David tenent at the end is weeping inside but keeps it bottled in because only he knows that the girl he saved died hopeing for him to come to her. Not to mention the whole reveal at the end was so well done, unexpected, and just felt like it wasn't even asked for.
2 cathedrals was just game changing though no other show could just flip the script and twist in a complete different direction like that.
David tenent at the end is weeping inside but keeps it bottled in because only he knows that the girl he saved died hopeing for him to come to her. Not to mention the whole reveal at the end was so well done, unexpected, and just felt like it wasn't even asked for.
2 cathedrals was just game changing though no other show could just flip the script and twist in a complete different direction like that.
So this season I was getting kind of frustrated. I really like Capaldi. I really do. But the way they write him makes him seem like he's not really The Doctor. I get that he's supposed to be different from the last few Doctors and his own thing, but the "cranky old man who doesn't give a shit until the last minute" thing really didn't feel "Doctor-like" to me.
But this episode, with that big speech at the end? That was The Doctor. Still tired of Clara, but Capaldi is 100% in my book now.
This season is really starting to pick up now. I really like the opening christmas episode and I think it was episode 0 of season 9 and this episode so far. I hope the momentum continues
I may be a bit jaded after this time, but I'm glad that Clara's story is finally over. It went out well and I'm glad she got to have her adventure one last time, but I'm happy to see who comes next and what they bring to the show.
But man, has Capaldi been fantastic in this season or what? His Zygon Inversion speech still gives me chills.
someone in the writer's room really really loved Clara. She's may not have died quite as many times as Rory but what's the point of even making a super duper unavoidable death machine if you can avoid it, become immortal, and get your own Tardis and companion? All this after jumping into the Doctor's timeline and being deleted from existence, natch.
I give like a 20% chance she pops up again multiple times in the next season.
On December 14 2015 14:55 Requizen wrote: I may be a bit jaded after this time, but I'm glad that Clara's story is finally over. It went out well and I'm glad she got to have her adventure one last time, but I'm happy to see who comes next and what they bring to the show.
But man, has Capaldi been fantastic in this season or what? His Zygon Inversion speech still gives me chills.
The zygon episode and the Heaven Bent episode was godly amazingly good. This season is what defined Capaldi. I am just glad he finally got a season that really helped him shine because last season the whole clara and her boyfriend got dragged on forever and we got no development from Capaldi.
This season of doctor who was pretty damn good. Started off with amazing christmas inception and ended off on great christmas final. My gawd dddd it was perfect.
I think this season was great and ended so strong with the death of clara, the final moment of him and river song and the new screw driver all showed that the doctor has tied up all loose ends to his past incarnation. From here on out we are going to see nothing but new things.
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