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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
What a disaster of a tournament format though. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 28 2019 06:52 VGhost wrote: I still believe in Alliance. Well, maybe. What a disaster of a tournament format though. Terrible format. All the time spent doing the group stages could be used to do a better LB. 8+ years of pro dota 2 and T.Os still do shitty formats and schedules. | ||
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Latham
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Yurie
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On April 28 2019 11:56 DucK- wrote: Terrible format. All the time spent doing the group stages could be used to do a better LB. 8+ years of pro dota 2 and T.Os still do shitty formats and schedules. As usual it is the compromise of the expensive physical audience tournament vs the interest of seeing all teams or eliminating a few before the audience stage. | ||
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Yurie
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
Terrible format. All the time spent doing the group stages could be used to do a better LB. 8+ years of pro dota 2 and T.Os still do shitty formats and schedules. well, normally I would agree with you, as I hate bo1s in general except for the first round of the LB. However, in this tournament it was exceptionally hard to start out in the LB: you had to be absolutely terrible. I understand LB2 being bo1 in that case. LB3 being bo1 is absolutely stupid though. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
While Dota really is a Bo3 professional sport and Bo1s make strange decisions, everyone had a chance to win their first Bo3 against a seeded team. (Though rapid meta changes, like the previous Major, do happen.) So a single elimination with a cut-throat 2nd Chance isn't bad. Was actually some pretty fun Dota. How badly did Alliance's laning phase go in game 1? I don't quite get how that draft died so horribly. | ||
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Yurie
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 28 2019 21:14 Snakesneaks wrote: same old qojqva. he will be richer than his teammates and on par with his opponents, but his team will suffer of it and his lacksture impact will backfire his team. Alliance's problem is all that actually matters is getting the Dazzle & Drow dead, so they attack everyone else. | ||
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Yurie
11836 Posts
On April 28 2019 21:14 Snakesneaks wrote: same old qojqva. he will be richer than his teammates and on par with his opponents, but his team will suffer of it and his lacksture impact will backfire his team. Troll doing next to nothing. Lineup related of course but the Lina is doing much more. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Also, their vision game is terrible. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Taf the Ghost
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Yurie
11836 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Latham
9560 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 28 2019 21:38 Yurie wrote: Dazzle winning the game. This was the first Dazzle game I've seen work in a while, but that's because Alliance never bothered to try to kill the Dazzle. The time they did they wiped Ehome. Ehome definitely was in "old, grizzle vet" mode. They just had to maintain their formation and Alliance wouldn't rotate around them. At least Ehome vs NiP should be interesting. There are 4 TI winners in this upcoming match, and all from different tournaments. That's actually fascinating. | ||
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lolfail9001
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
ehome still very much in this game... | ||
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Achaian
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Taf the Ghost
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Latham
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
In the end, Ehome held off pretty well. The point of the Brood is to ruin the early game, but that the Ehome draft had so much control that getting a lot of kills was hard for NiP until Ehome had to extend themselves. Not that the game didn't end on Ehome going up towards the Radiant Shrine area without vision. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
I don't see the synergy in nip's draft, ehome is going to outlast them easily | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 28 2019 23:49 Achaian wrote: undying? we lost I don't see the synergy in nip's draft, ehome is going to outlast them easily Ehome is going to keep drafting as much tank as possible. NiP can win this, but I do like Ehome's draft better... if they don't get crushed in the laning phase. Or if NiP can shut down their jungle farming. Ehome needs a lot of gold. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Yes. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Edit: NiP ran out of time and didn't rotate hard enough when they should have. The power of ultra-late game tankiness + high wave clear keeps the lanes always pushed out. Like I said, I like Ehome's strategic approach, but if they lose lanes they're normally going to be toast if a team puts pressure on. | ||
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Latham
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Taf the Ghost
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 29 2019 00:38 Taf the Ghost wrote: 2nd Pick is clearly the way in this tournament. Obviously, because 2nd pick is the way to get last pick. And obviously both NiP and NiP's opponent want lats pick, just to not get Meepwnd. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
just give kotl mana leak again so we can kick dusa out of the meta, please cold toad | ||
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Achaian
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Taf the Ghost
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 29 2019 01:05 Taf the Ghost wrote: I hate when NiP gives Fata the Puck. Puck just always runs out of damage so hard. It was comfort pick. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On April 29 2019 01:05 Taf the Ghost wrote: I hate when NiP gives Fata the Puck. Puck just always runs out of damage so hard. and that's exactly why you go the ridiculous sounding build I brought up | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
I know. And it's still terrible. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Edit: I say that, then NiP starts moving around the map like they want to win. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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Achaian
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Snakesneaks
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
It's mind blowing how many times he has been killed in weird spots I thought Ehome had a good draft for dealing with Medusa tbh, but their execution has been pretty meh, especially shaker/omni | ||
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Latham
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
On April 29 2019 01:46 Latham wrote: I'm just wondering how you can be behind in gold all game with a kill advantage and 3 midases on your side... giving pointless kills is the good start | ||
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Snakesneaks
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Taf the Ghost
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 29 2019 01:58 Snakesneaks wrote: 33 is so good at finding key targets They really have to get on the Sniper and get it dead. Puck needs Aghs. | ||
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Latham
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Latham
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 02:06 Achaian wrote: 33 mvp Agreed. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 29 2019 02:12 Faruko wrote: I wonder if, at some point, icefrog will just flatout nerf some heroes mid tournament, SS, Medusa and WK are pretty bonkers. Happened with Terrorblade once IIRC. | ||
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uthgard
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also why is no one picking OD, hero is still very good currently right? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 02:12 Faruko wrote: I wonder if, at some point, icefrog will just flatout nerf some heroes mid tournament, SS, Medusa and WK are pretty bonkers. I see you missed MDL last year?  | ||
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Latham
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Damned627
Indonesia264 Posts
Nvm dotatv error. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
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Edit: NiP plays like they have a lot of damage when they draft "not enough" damage. It's a "thing" with them. Edit2: This game was over after they drafted the Batrider. The hero does so little with the farm he gets, and NiP had no tower damage. Ehome has a simplier, easier to execute game strategy and draft around it with a smaller hero pool. Edit: The Bo1 Eliminator tournament comes down to... a Bo1. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 03:36 lolfail9001 wrote: In the end i admit that this finals alone salvages entire tournament format. Only Alliance won't be eliminated in a Bo1. Though the Bo1 format has made the tournament really, really tanky. The format caused a Meta shift, which has interesting implications on its own. | ||
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On April 29 2019 03:55 Taf the Ghost wrote: Undying... really Peter? I can't believe he's done this. Seriously though, I'm going to go look up the NiP/PPD/Undying win rate stats. They fucking can't be good. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Latham
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Achaian
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 29 2019 03:58 Achaian wrote: huskar is not nearly as good with new drow as old drow, but it'll be hilarious to see huskar hitting faster than a maxed out alchemist Sadly impossible because IAS cap. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 03:58 Achaian wrote: huskar is not nearly as good with new drow as old drow, but it'll be hilarious to see huskar hitting faster than a maxed out alchemist Huskar himself is actually decent, and especially against this draft from Ehome. | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On April 29 2019 04:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: Huskar himself is actually decent, and especially against this draft from Ehome. oh, the huskar is still good Sadly impossible because IAS cap. time to petition the chilly amphibian, AS over IAS cap becomes damage or multishot | ||
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On April 29 2019 03:58 Achaian wrote: huskar is not nearly as good with new drow as old drow, but it'll be hilarious to see huskar hitting faster than a maxed out alchemist Maybe there's a cheese item build. Like MKB/Maelstrom/Basher for maximum procs. (I'm at the bargaining phase of grief) PPD's Undying winrate on NiP is 40% over 10 games. And if you look at the 4 wins. It's Gambit, Chaos, The Final Tribe, and Liquid(KL-Major-Qualifier-garbage-Liquid). Any time it's been drafted against a Tier 1 team, it's a loss. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Latham
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On April 29 2019 04:08 Taf the Ghost wrote: I think Ehome just dove enough to make Undying pay off. That's actually amazing. I can't believe they chose that. Doom is scary with the on-time midas. Ehome has to build spell block | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 04:16 Moobutt wrote: That's actually amazing. I can't believe they chose that. Doom is scary with the on-time midas. Ehome has to build spell block Undying ended up securing a hard farming Doom. Which can practically carry against this Ehome draft late game. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
ehome wouldnt be able to do anything | ||
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On April 29 2019 04:21 Taf the Ghost wrote: Undying ended up securing a hard farming Doom. Which can practically carry against this Ehome draft late game. I think the 3.5 position Rubick might get scary though | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 04:26 Moobutt wrote: I think the 3.5 position Rubick might get scary though Agreed, but this is going to be a long game, it seems. | ||
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On April 29 2019 04:30 Taf the Ghost wrote: Agreed, but this is going to be a long game, it seems. I'm starting to think NiP lost their timing. edit: Ehome's late-late game seems way too good. | ||
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Belgium16168 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Moobutt
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Taf the Ghost
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Moobutt
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ShiaoPi
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
edit: No buy back Rubick is bad. | ||
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Latham
9560 Posts
 GGs! | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 05:07 Moobutt wrote: If Doom gets off on Rubick, NiP win fights. If not, they lose. edit: No buy back Rubick is bad. Doom Rubick and Win game. Wow, what a late game. Also, Xinq tournament MVP. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Danzo
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Taf the Ghost
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Yurie
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
On April 29 2019 05:09 Taf the Ghost wrote: Doom Rubick and Win game. Wow, what a late game. Also, Xinq tournament MVP. Yeah Xinq's Rubick is definitely the story of that last game | ||
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Rufus Dupres
Germany1071 Posts
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Yurie
11836 Posts
On April 29 2019 05:14 Rufus Dupres wrote: What a series... intense and packed with a lot of action. Well deserved for NiP considering their performance during the playoffs. Looks like ppd found the right words after that wonky group stage. Saw some people suggest that NiP used the group stage as a scrimming session. Testing out different strats since all teams enter upper bracket after group stage. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 05:26 Yurie wrote: Saw some people suggest that NiP used the group stage as a scrimming session. Testing out different strats since all teams enter upper bracket after group stage. There was a bit of that, but NiP also lost two both series that they did off some pretty bad misplays. They looked a lot better in the Bracket than the Groups, but there was matches like vs Gambit G2 where they went offlane Lion. Which worked right until the moment it didn't. (Lion is too squishy for pos 3 going into the Midgame. See what 33 did with Doom all of the time.) | ||
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
On April 28 2019 21:05 Taf the Ghost wrote: Format was different, but for a tournament where really only first truly matters, this was a decent way to do it. Upper bracket winner will win over 60% of the time, so the lower bracket Bo1s gives everyone a chance without dragging things out. ... How badly did Alliance's laning phase go in game 1? I don't quite get how that draft died so horribly. If you told anybody the tournament finished 1. NiP 2. EHOME 3.Alliance nobody would be surprised, but EHOME especially really should have had to start with some kind of disadvantage after that disaster of a group stage to be fair. Basically groups didn't matter. Re. the game Tide got dumpstered, other two lanes were even-ish. Advantage EHOME and the Alch wasn't enough. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 29 2019 07:05 VGhost wrote: If you told anybody the tournament finished 1. NiP 2. EHOME 3.Alliance nobody would be surprised, but EHOME especially really should have had to start with some kind of disadvantage after that disaster of a group stage to be fair. Basically groups didn't matter. Re. the game Tide got dumpstered, other two lanes were even-ish. Advantage EHOME and the Alch wasn't enough. Thanks for the report on the match. Result actually isn't too surprising, Majestic over-performed, Ehome took the place RNG probably should have had. How things got there was a little different. Groups were actually pretty interesting. I like the Bo3 Round Robin phase and would love to see it used more. I also actually liked the Bo1s in the lower bracket, though I could have gone for either Lower Bracket Round 3 or Round 2 going to Bo3. | ||
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