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Summit 5 - Day 3
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Winners Final
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Results!
[Summit 5] Knockout Stage - Day 3
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_Summit/5 BTS RussiaODPixel | Merlini | Godz | KotlGuy | Fogged | GrandGrant | Maut | MRP Casperr | Versuta | Mob5ter | 4ceWinners Final | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Poll: FDL vs Digital Chaos Digital Chaos Wins (23) FDL Wins (12) 35 total votes Your vote: FDL vs Digital Chaos Poll: Ad Finem vs Na'Vi Na'Vi Wins (20) Ad Finem Wins (17) 37 total votes Your vote: Ad Finem vs Na'Vi | ||
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nojok
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ch33psh33p
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Please stop making "experimenting apologist excuses" It's just sad and an insult to your team honestly, to think they would take this tourney any less seriously. | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
Predictions: DC>FDL, AF>Na'vi, OG>Wings | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Don't panic guys. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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intotheheart
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TL did the Drow + Dusa in the major against NewBee. | ||
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cchriss
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 01:36 ch33psh33p wrote: Wings v OG is gonna be fucking amazing. Please stop making "experimenting apologist excuses" It's just sad and an insult to your team honestly, to think they would take this tourney any less seriously. Liquid is at its best drafting some heavy punishing drafts, who can take a whole set of rax from 2 kills in the river, fata is the best mid on tempo based carries, jerax is the best ES etc. If they're staying miles away from their comfort zone, first picking morph and whatever jungler, they're experimenting. It is in fact because they're taking TI very seriously, they're not slacking or not giving a fuck, they're trying hard, just with another tournament in mind. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Its horrendous at times and just brilliant at others. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:04 ch33psh33p wrote: Wings honestly play so absurd Its horrendous at times and just brilliant at others. So they really are the Chinese version of Empire. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 16 2016 03:47 nojok wrote: There ends the redemption vote team, too bad we did not get another good team like newbee. well it's no surprise, memes are always gonna be prioritized over good players. also i don't think the chinese audience cares about the summmit at all | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:04 Kabras wrote: well it's no surprise, memes are always gonna be prioritized over good players. also i don't think the chinese audience cares about the summmit at all I think another aspect of The Summit is the casting done by pros - it'd be tough since I don't know how many Chinese pros speak English... although they could cast it in Chinese for their fans. :O | ||
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intotheheart
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On July 16 2016 04:11 nojok wrote: I checked their shop, they barely sold anything, I doubt it was very profitable to design all those shirts etc. It became really hard for organisations to get some backers now that people are saving their dota 2 funds for majors compendium besides TI. Perhaps this is one of the things Valve wants to address when the 2016-2017 system comes online for competitive DotA. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 16 2016 04:13 IntoTheheart wrote: Perhaps this is one of the things Valve wants to address when the 2016-2017 system comes online for competitive DotA. Sunsfan mentioned that the market is really about particle effects these days, so it's really hard for any tournament to really sell much. Plus, well, the workshop is still a mess, I believe? Valve has actually hurt the mid-tier scene a lot this year. Hopefully next year goes better. | ||
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GOHF
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Even KingR from Empire couldn't speak English perfectly, but he did it anyway and he was very clearly hyped after the win against Secret. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On July 16 2016 04:14 Taf the Ghost wrote: Sunsfan mentioned that the market is really about particle effects these days, so it's really hard for any tournament to really sell much. Plus, well, the workshop is still a mess, I believe? Valve has actually hurt the mid-tier scene a lot this year. Hopefully next year goes better. dota 2 economy has gone to shit there's an infinite amount of reasons for this, but it all started with the 3 spirits update when people have no trust in the economy, there's no reason to buy items to support these tournaments. I remember when I used to collect ALL the tournament bundles the day they came out. I cashed out my inventory 2 years ago. The dota 2 economy simply isn't what it used to be, and the reflection of a massive plumment across all tournament bundles besides TI compendiums obviously reflects that. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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classic madara | ||
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tns
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west russia haha.. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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trifecta
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On July 16 2016 04:16 ch33psh33p wrote: dota 2 economy has gone to shit there's an infinite amount of reasons for this, but it all started with the 3 spirits update when people have no trust in the economy, there's no reason to buy items to support these tournaments. I remember when I used to collect ALL the tournament bundles the day they came out. I cashed out my inventory 2 years ago. The dota 2 economy simply isn't what it used to be, and the reflection of a massive plumment across all tournament bundles besides TI compendiums obviously reflects that. I think that was unintentionally a good thing. No DotaSkinsLotto for people to get outraged about | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On July 16 2016 04:58 trifecta wrote: I think that was unintentionally a good thing. No DotaSkinsLotto for people to get outraged about yeah it's def good for the average consumer. lots of cheap skins at high availability. i don't blame valve for doing what they did, but the consequence is people no longer willing to shell out for tournaments (outside of TI) | ||
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ch33psh33p
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navi are gonna lose this. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On July 16 2016 05:04 Daray wrote: These casters actually don't know that Maneki-neko is a thing? Correct. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On July 16 2016 05:09 ch33psh33p wrote: this is a TI6 invite boys. Well, Na'Vi got the 1 slot they were leaving open for the ESL One Frankfurt finalist. But it's also most of the reason there were only 6 direct invites. | ||
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Kabras
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On July 16 2016 05:09 ch33psh33p wrote: this is a TI6 invite team boys. navi absolutely deserved their invite at the time the invites were given out. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On July 16 2016 05:14 Kabras wrote: navi absolutely deserved their invite at the time the invites were given out. don't disagree at all. point stands. their play since the invite has been tier 2 at best. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On July 16 2016 05:19 Procake wrote: I stopped watching when it looked like Na'Vi were so far ahead they couldn't lose, what the hell happened? Objective Gaming Fail. Mostly. Also, the Jugg farmed Ad Finem back into the game. | ||
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Nevuk
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On July 16 2016 05:19 Procake wrote: I stopped watching when it looked like Na'Vi were so far ahead they couldn't lose, what the hell happened? A really good chrono. The chrono before that one, on the other hand, was on ET's spirit... | ||
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Procake
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On July 16 2016 05:20 Taf the Ghost wrote: Objective Gaming Fail. Mostly. Also, the Jugg farmed Ad Finem back into the game. thanks | ||
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ch33psh33p
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it's been all timber past 20 minutes jugg hasn't done much besides cast abyssal, timber has been doing an insane amount of work especially after starting out 0-4 or something | ||
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Nevuk
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for artstyle saving AF's carry in a teamfight (I think?) | ||
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MotanuD
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Also, Artstyle has had a terrible tournament so far. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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holy shit disband right now | ||
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ironcell
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Maybe both teams were trying their best Alliance like gameplay. XD | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On July 16 2016 05:43 Procake wrote: This makes Na'Vi look really trash considering how bad AF played i'm sure they're just saving strats for ti6 *sweating intensifies* | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 16 2016 05:45 ch33psh33p wrote: i'm sure they're just saving strats for ti6 *sweating intensifies* Puppey left his essence in artstyle xD | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 16 2016 05:14 Kabras wrote: navi absolutely deserved their invite at the time the invites were given out. No they didn't sort of , the only reason they got it because valve coudnt afford potential 3 sea teams at ti besides fnatic and mvp.ph.. | ||
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On July 16 2016 05:53 DucK- wrote: Who is on the couch. I only recognise Moo (In order) Rime, Moo, Stan King, CC&C. (Moo & CC were the ones casting last game with Godz and Grant). Casters straight up bailed after that last game. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:59 Diavlo wrote: Why is Na'Vi banning Void? Seemed to work very well for them last game. Kept AF in the game for a long time before it kicked them out. | ||
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On July 16 2016 05:49 Kamisamanachi wrote: No they didn't sort of , the only reason they got it because valve coudnt afford potential 3 sea teams at ti besides fnatic and mvp.ph.. I said it then and I'll say it again. Fnatic got ROBBED. Top 6 finisher at the last 2 Majors with good performances in between. vs Top 2 finisher at ESL One Frankfurt. It was obvious that Volvo wanted to have Dendi at TI6 and didn't mind shitting on SEA to do it. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 16 2016 06:02 MaCRo.gg wrote: I said it then and I'll say it again. Fnatic got ROBBED. Top 6 finisher at the last 2 Majors with good performances in between. vs Top 2 finisher at ESL One Frankfurt. It was obvious that Volvo wanted to have Dendi at TI6 and didn't mind shitting on SEA to do it. if anyone took fnatic's place it's mvp. valve doesn't decide between fnatic and navi.they decide between fnatic and other teams in sea. if they genuinely thought fnatic deserves a direct invite they would've given them one, remember this ti only had 6 direct invites, it's not like they were on short supply by any means. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 16 2016 06:02 MaCRo.gg wrote: I said it then and I'll say it again. Fnatic got ROBBED. Top 6 finisher at the last 2 Majors with good performances in between. vs Top 2 finisher at ESL One Frankfurt. It was obvious that Volvo wanted to have Dendi at TI6 and didn't mind shitting on SEA to do it. Except for the last two Majors, Fnatic actually did really poorly at everything else they showed up to. (And they blew the 1 tournament they should have probably won.) But that didn't matter. Na'Vi got 2nd at ESL One Frankfurt. Valve left a single invite for that tournament. They kept Top 4 from Manila + ESL One Frankfurt + 1, which MVP was the best choice for that spare slot. In the post-Shanghai tournaments, Na'Vi did have much better results than Fnatic. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On July 16 2016 06:06 Kabras wrote: if anyone took fnatic's place it's mvp. valve doesn't decide between fnatic and navi.they decide between fnatic and other teams in sea. if they genuinely thought fnatic deserves a direct invite they would've given them one, remember this ti only had 6 direct invites, it's not like they were on short supply by any means. they weren't going to invite 2 SEA teams. there's too much garbage in that region (sorry jimmy) and they needed fnatic or mvp in quals to weed out at least 1 of them. fnatic got robbed, navi was def the weakest team invited, played worse than fnatic, AND had weaker results. it is what it is. navi's current level of play shows that. | ||
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Kabras
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On July 16 2016 06:08 ch33psh33p wrote: they weren't going to invite 2 SEA teams. there's too much garbage in that region (sorry jimmy) and they needed fnatic or mvp in quals to weed out at least 1 of them. fnatic got robbed, navi was def the weakest team invited, played worse than fnatic, AND had weaker results. it is what it is. navi's current level of play shows that. i don't think so. i think valve got fed up with all the roster jumping bullshit and decided to go super cutthroat on everyone. so they just put a lot of value on roster stability to make a statement. if they didn't really want 3 sea teams, there were alternatives to navi at the time, especially in china. again, navi's current play is nowhere close to what it was when they were invited so i don't see how that's relevant. | ||
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Diavlo
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On July 16 2016 06:05 Kamisamanachi wrote: Yeah . Void had really some nice chronos last game..he missed some but tf ones he landed were great Yes he had a some nice chronos in a 60 minutes game. But his ratio of good/bad chrono was absolutely atrocious and he fed like a mad man. I had never seen a pro player jump and instantly die 4 times in a row with 2 bb in-between... Until now. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 06:02 MaCRo.gg wrote: I said it then and I'll say it again. Fnatic got ROBBED. Top 6 finisher at the last 2 Majors with good performances in between. vs Top 2 finisher at ESL One Frankfurt. It was obvious that Volvo wanted to have Dendi at TI6 and didn't mind shitting on SEA to do it. If fnatic was invited, it would mean too much shitty teams qualifying for TI, valve knew very well they would qualify. If any teams have been robbed, it's the ones in the European qualifiers when you know TnC, DC and col makes it to TI. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Oh, because of all of the games they've played so far here at The Summit 5. | ||
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Nevuk
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On July 16 2016 06:16 BigO wrote: I was always wondering when pros were gonna run dual lane with a Sand King offlane, shit is strong against the right heroes. It's certainly effective against TB | ||
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nojok
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On July 16 2016 06:14 Nevuk wrote: Not often you see a a dual lane smack around a trilane like this You mean like that BM + wisp that wings played against liquid yesterday? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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On July 16 2016 06:15 Diavlo wrote: Yes he had a some nice chronos in a 60 minutes game. But his ratio of good/bad chrono was absolutely atrocious and he fed like a mad man. I had never seen a pro player jump and instantly die 4 times in a row with 2 bb in-between... Until now. Haha yea...he was certainly bad..I was only saying some of chronos were good..I was wtf ing when he dies 2 times after buying back by same thing | ||
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then I remembered they were playing navi. | ||
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plasmidghost
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That Centaur-KotL combo allows for two double edges immediately, that'll nuke down everyone early game | ||
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Faruko
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On July 16 2016 07:32 ch33psh33p wrote: this kotl aint' no iceice its fly what did you expect | ||
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the bear jew
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On July 16 2016 07:46 DucK- wrote: LC is a game losing competitive pick. Why do teams even bother. Og won with it. | ||
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Azarkon
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On July 16 2016 07:54 Procake wrote: OG really love dieback Because they know as long as Miracle doesn't die, no matter how much the rest of the team dies, they win. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 07:46 DucK- wrote: LC is a game losing competitive pick. Why do teams even bother. I'm sure lane creeps are rooting for LC, the hero of their kind. | ||
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Procake
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On July 16 2016 07:56 Azarkon wrote: Because they know as long as Miracle doesn't die, no matter how much the rest of the team dies, they win. Pretty much | ||
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On July 16 2016 07:56 Azarkon wrote: Because they know as long as Miracle doesn't die, no matter how much the rest of the team dies, they win. nice jinx | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 16 2016 07:56 Azarkon wrote: Because they know as long as Miracle doesn't die, no matter how much the rest of the team dies, they win. :D | ||
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what now haters | ||
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On July 16 2016 08:06 Azarkon wrote: What's with this shit. it's called western dota | ||
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On July 16 2016 08:14 Azarkon wrote: Time to stop playing test strategy. Or maybe not, given what just won. would you say that OG are saving strats for TI | ||
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On July 16 2016 08:17 TomatoBisque wrote: would you say that OG are saving strats for TI they're saving strats alongside navi and liquid for sure. | ||
Kipsate
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Wings just randoms every game so I dont think they save anything. | ||
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uriel-
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On July 16 2016 08:17 Faruko wrote: arent io, invoker and bm typical OG picks ? Yeah but they lost so they couldn't have been taking it seriously cos they are the best team in the world That's how it works I think | ||
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On July 16 2016 08:17 Faruko wrote: arent io, invoker and bm typical OG picks ? Not having a real carry though makes this draft not at all typical OG. | ||
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On July 16 2016 08:20 uriel- wrote: Yeah but they lost so they couldn't have been taking it seriously cos they are the best team in the world That's how it works I think bingo apologists smh. | ||
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On July 16 2016 08:21 DucK- wrote: Not having a real carry though makes this draft not at all typical OG. yea unless you have 5 comfort heroes it's an experiment. even centaur is common for og by now ffs | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:19 Kipsate wrote: isnt everyone saving strats Wings just randoms every game so I dont think they save anything. They're saving their tournament roulette, they are using their practice roulette to determine their picks atm. More seriously, they can make a shit tons of heroes working for them but #SavingStratsForTI has never been more real I think. This tournament does not outweight the difference between a top 13/16 and a top 9/12 at TI. | ||
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Faruko
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On July 16 2016 08:17 ch33psh33p wrote: they're saving strats alongside navi and liquid for sure. So wings was saving strats during the major ? thats an interesting aproach to such a big tournament | ||
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ch33psh33p
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On July 16 2016 08:24 Faruko wrote: So wings was saving strats during the major ? thats an interesting aproach to such a big tournament no they lost cuz they played bad i'm not a draft apologist thats gonna insult a team by implying they're "saving strats" i don't think people realize how unfair they're being to a team that just lost by saying "yeah they were just saying strats" its honestly insulting and stupid if you spent more than a minute to think about it. It's like people have this fucked up mentality that if their favorite team loses, it can't be because they got outdrafted, outplayed, and out manuvered. It has to be becuase they were saving strats. I don't think you realize how brutally insulting it is to a professional to insist the only reason they lost was because they weren't taking their livelihood seriously. I know fan boys gonna fan boy, but its so mindblowingly stupid. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:25 ch33psh33p wrote: no they lost cuz they played bad i'm not a draft apologist thats gonna insult a team by implying they're "saving strats" i don't think people realize how unfair they're being to a team that just lost by saying "yeah they were just saying strats" its honestly insulting and stupid if you spent more than a minute to think about it. Pretty sure everyone is joking about saving strats tho (i hope so...) | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:23 nojok wrote: They're saving their tournament roulette, they are using their practice roulette to determine their picks atm. More seriously, they can make a shit tons of heroes working for them but #SavingStratsForTI has never been more real I think. This tournament does not outweight the difference between a top 13/16 and a top 9/12 at TI. All random mode is the ultimate form of strat saving. | ||
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TosHReloadeD
Peru32 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:25 ch33psh33p wrote: no they lost cuz they played bad i'm not a draft apologist thats gonna insult a team by implying they're "saving strats" i don't think people realize how unfair they're being to a team that just lost by saying "yeah they were just saying strats" its honestly insulting and stupid if you spent more than a minute to think about it. You're the one being insulting saying we are stupid. If you can't tell the difference between the usual fly/kuroky's draft from the drafts at this tourney, it's helpless. TI is just that important, a 17 million $ tournaments is worth sacking a 100K$ one, what's so hard to understand? TI worth 170 times this tourney in term of cash and also prestige. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:20 uriel- wrote: Yeah but they lost so they couldn't have been taking it seriously cos they are a western team That's how it works I think Close but I fixed it | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:30 Azarkon wrote: I don't know why I even bother with people who think that having no carry is a standard strategy. Probably because you make posts like On July 16 2016 07:56 Azarkon wrote: Because they know as long as Miracle doesn't die, no matter how much the rest of the team dies, they win. And then backtrack and make posts like On July 16 2016 08:14 Azarkon wrote: Time to stop playing test strategy. Or maybe not, given what just won. after they lose? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
They play around Miracle, this much has always been the case, and remains the case no matter what they pick. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Also, I really want to see Wings vs Alliance. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Just watch the good dota and be entertained without trying to justify every single time your favourite team loses, jesus | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
must be saving strats. damn! | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Don't panic guys. Moon just didn't want the Lion to know his juggling pattern, so he let himself get killed. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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BoesFX
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
The entire meta shifts after just the first week. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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BigPwn
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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
turns out they were saving MORE strats than navi or liquid, very impressive. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
gonna be unstoppable | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 16 2016 08:51 Faruko wrote: What impresses me about wings is how did they lost to comlpexity just 1 month ago Have you watched Wings play much? If they can't win their lanes, they normally get crushed. They don't really throw out "weird" stuff; they throw out synergies that just aren't necessarily on Meta heroes. (They also have a decent way of opening their drafts, but that's a longer discussion.) But if you guess right on your 2nd phase bans, it normally messes up Wings badly. Or if you can get the push in earlier, which is how Newbee has approached them. Wings has a lot of the CDEC-vibe from last year, but they're not as good. Further, Wings really benefits from teams not being prepared for them. If we get a meta that is more defensive, I think Wings will fall off real fast, just like what happened at Manila Major. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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ch33psh33p
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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Elurie
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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
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Porcupinathy
235 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:15 Elurie wrote: Who's the really quiet guy on the panel? Can barely hear him. KoreanBBQ. He's a CN/EN interpreter. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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apes
United States826 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
SAVING STRATS AFTERALL! /s fuck all of you who support this shit | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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Thetwinmasters
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cchriss
United States912 Posts
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Latham
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Well done. | ||
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:22 Thetwinmasters wrote: How did OG lose with the need to win strat On July 16 2016 08:51 Azarkon wrote: This is how. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
You either save strats or save more strats | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
lul kunkka aghs | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:14 ch33psh33p wrote: suddenly people coming out in droves claiming OG WERENT saving strats afterall. If you believe fly would have drafted notail's kunkka in a TI elimination match right now, you're blind. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:23 nojok wrote: If you believe fly would have drafted notail's kunkka in a TI elimination match right now, you're blind. why? i still remember a certain captain that picked nyx. do you? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:23 nojok wrote: If you believe fly would have drafted notail's kunkka in a TI elimination match right now, you're blind. Why would he not draft him a "real" hero then? Unless it's like a fucking techies there is no saving strats there... are they not trying to win or so cocky that they do funny shit on purpose? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Y: "I haven't aaaactually seen it but it looks bad..." | ||
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apes
United States826 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
GranDGranT: "How are you enjoying NA pubs?" Y: "I'm enjoying it... it's fun and it's a comfortable setting to play." | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:25 Daray wrote: Why would he not draft him a "real" hero then? Unless it's like a fucking techies there is no saving strats there... are they not trying to win or so cocky that they do funny shit on purpose? It's not really saving strats, it's expending their hero pool and possible drafts. Kunkka is legit this patch and it will probably help them decide after if they want him to spend some time practicing the hero or not. Guys, this tourney does not even worth 1% of TI. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:29 the bear jew wrote: Hah and people flamed Navi, but they at least took a game off our new Chinese overlords of wings. Well that's what "people" get for doubting Artstyle's team. | ||
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BoesFX
1451 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:29 the bear jew wrote: Hah and people flamed Navi, but they at least took a game off our new Chinese overlords of wings. They had to deal with first pick Drow, while the other teams just first banned it. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:26 IntoTheheart wrote: L O L they're asking about the Kunkka Agh's. Y: "I haven't aaaactually seen it but it looks strong..." He said it didn't look good actually | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
That said, there's still no excuse for playing like shit, incohesive drafts, or badly thought out item builds | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Oh did he... oops. | ||
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Daray
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:32 BoesFX wrote: They had to deal with first pick Drow, while the other teams just first banned it. And went 1-2, OG banned it and went 0-2. I jest, I jest though. Now then Navi has reached grand finals of a bunch of tournaments recently, let's keep the streak going. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
On July 16 2016 09:41 Papercappu wrote: meanwhile nobody knows what MVP's up to They've been in the dark compared to other TI6 teams, not even participating in SEA tournaments. Guess they're practicing their asses off for TI6, or maybe dealing with personal matters. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 16 2016 15:14 DucK- wrote: Og losing means no chance for navi to be in grand finals cuz they will get whooped by og in loser bracket finals lol That's their plan, not letting Navi reach Grand Finals. They give no shit about dropping to LB. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On July 16 2016 15:14 DucK- wrote: Og losing means no chance for navi to be in grand finals cuz they will get whooped by og in loser bracket finals lol Nah, Navi is going to be Fnatic, Liquid, OG, and Wings. And then all we will hear is saving strats. | ||
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