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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 13 2016 20:45 GMT
#41
The sad thing is that Mushi will still think Linkens Manta is good on Medusa.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 13 2016 20:46 GMT
#42
On July 14 2016 05:43 RuiBarbO wrote:
Have I missed something big in the meta recently because how is a team with Medusa, Terrorblade, and Riki winning a game in the LAN finals of a fairly prestigious tournament


DC has problems with banning and planning for teams. They're showing what might be best called the "China Problem": they only know how to play against teams in their own scene. The skill is there, but they keep putting themselves in weak positions in the draft & their early has been pretty bad against most teams lately. (Except against Complexity, who they just know how to play against too well.)
sacrilegious
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada863 Posts
July 13 2016 20:46 GMT
#43
lol TB nerf... yea

But really Medusa and TB on same team with equal farm, and winning... what gives
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
July 13 2016 20:47 GMT
#44
On July 14 2016 05:43 RuiBarbO wrote:
Have I missed something big in the meta recently because how is a team with Medusa, Terrorblade, and Riki winning a game in the LAN finals of a fairly prestigious tournament

TB and riki are arguably the best carry and the best support respectively, dusa is more a comfort pick for mushi and the team is used to play this exact dual core setup so nothing surprising in 6.88.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 13 2016 20:47 GMT
#45
On July 14 2016 05:43 RuiBarbO wrote:
Have I missed something big in the meta recently because how is a team with Medusa, Terrorblade, and Riki winning a game in the LAN finals of a fairly prestigious tournament


I suppose you missed Riki being a good roaming support, and Medusa being a competent midlaner.

This is not the first time Fnatic has ran Medusa TB. They have some form of weird synergy despite both needing farm. Medusa has zero damage early on, and TB has plenty. TB is scared of getting jumped on by AOE/nukes, but Medusa makes you think twice before making any jumps.
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
July 13 2016 20:48 GMT
#46
Farmed Dusa/TB vs farmed Drow/WR. I know what I prefer.
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 20:49:16
July 13 2016 20:49 GMT
#47
On July 14 2016 05:47 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 05:43 RuiBarbO wrote:
Have I missed something big in the meta recently because how is a team with Medusa, Terrorblade, and Riki winning a game in the LAN finals of a fairly prestigious tournament


I suppose you missed Riki being a good roaming support, and Medusa being a competent midlaner.

This is not the first time Fnatic has ran Medusa TB. They have some form of weird synergy despite both needing farm. Medusa has zero damage early on, and TB has plenty. TB is scared of getting jumped on by AOE/nukes, but Medusa makes you think twice before making any jumps.


That'll explain it then. Thanks.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 20:49:48
July 13 2016 20:49 GMT
#48
Is Pudge the last bastion of "noob pub hero" that hasn't been 1st pick/ban yet?
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
July 13 2016 20:52 GMT
#49
On July 14 2016 05:49 Procake wrote:
Is Pudge the last bastion of "noob pub hero" that hasn't been 1st pick/ban yet?

Bloodseeker ? He was played when everybody bitched about him but he wasn't first pick/first ban.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
July 13 2016 20:56 GMT
#50
Just got home, watched FDL vs OG at work, couldnt' comment. Glad they put up a good fight. Hopefully next series both Beesa and CC can have a big impact, they were both huge and got a lot of kills, just not in the same game.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 20:57:05
July 13 2016 20:56 GMT
#51
On July 14 2016 05:49 Procake wrote:
Is Pudge the last bastion of "noob pub hero" that hasn't been 1st pick/ban yet?


Pudge was a first ban vs na'vi at TI2
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
July 13 2016 20:57 GMT
#52
On July 14 2016 05:49 Procake wrote:
Is Pudge the last bastion of "noob pub hero" that hasn't been 1st pick/ban yet?

SB, ursa, viper were good but never tier 1, next patch is LC + BS first bans maybe? You might also add omni and warlock as noob pub hero who never made it into progames outside of niche drafts.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
July 13 2016 21:03 GMT
#53
idk i think the axe should've just power jungled, an 8 min blink would've done a lot more than messing with top lane. i didn't see the drafting phase but it looked like fnatic read them really well. they basically traded a 0 farm riki for a jungle axe and they got the greed on their cores. at that point if you're dc you either kinda panic and try to do shit with your axe right off the bat or you just wait for his blink and try to abuse his power spike. they might have lost anyway because of the sd screwing axe over which is probably why they chose to use him immediately but i still think farming the blink would've been better.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 13 2016 21:03 GMT
#54
Omni gets the occasional pick/ban in China. But it's highly specific for it to work.
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
July 13 2016 21:13 GMT
#55
On July 14 2016 05:49 Procake wrote:
Is Pudge the last bastion of "noob pub hero" that hasn't been 1st pick/ban yet?


Wings picked Pudge recently in a combo with void for 100% hooks.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
July 13 2016 21:24 GMT
#56
Is Moo even trying to lasthit creeps?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 13 2016 21:32 GMT
#57
Aww Moo didn't Chrono the Wisp.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
July 13 2016 21:34 GMT
#58
On July 14 2016 06:24 midou wrote:
Is Moo even trying to lasthit creeps?


It's hard, he can't show in lane, bat could be there plus relocate. Hard to find a place to farm.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 13 2016 21:43 GMT
#59
Cute chrono.... oh wait.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 21:46:20
July 13 2016 21:44 GMT
#60
On July 14 2016 06:34 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 06:24 midou wrote:
Is Moo even trying to lasthit creeps?


It's hard, he can't show in lane, bat could be there plus relocate. Hard to find a place to farm.


LOL nice timing
I was talking about 15 mins ago when when he clearly missed at least 20 cs for the first 20 mins, not because he couldn't show on the lane.
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