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On January 31 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:09 Daralii wrote:On January 31 2015 14:05 beifru wrote:
If Secret wins DAC, its gonna trigger a huge roster shuffle in China to get DK-like teams.
TI5 gonna be awesome. They're already planning one, they're just waiting for the Chinese New Year when contracts expire. Most Chinese pros have said that this tournament is at a bad time for them as a region. Yeah I know about the Chinese New Year shuffle. And I know everyone in China were already planning to shuffle, then DAC was announced. (awkward for IG since they kicked CH, but had to call him back to play rofl) But I mean if Secret runs away with DAC, I expect even stable teams like VG to be involved. Its gonna be a much larger shuffle than what usually happens during Chinese New Year.
Except Vici were already expected to shuffle, with them kicking Black for Lanm. That rumor started like a week before the tournament.
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On January 31 2015 14:11 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:09 Daralii wrote:On January 31 2015 14:05 beifru wrote:
If Secret wins DAC, its gonna trigger a huge roster shuffle in China to get DK-like teams.
TI5 gonna be awesome. They're already planning one, they're just waiting for the Chinese New Year when contracts expire. Most Chinese pros have said that this tournament is at a bad time for them as a region. There are reshuffles after every TI-style tournament. Chinese teams reshuffled twice last year too - after TI 3 and then after CNY. The two season routine is fairly standard for China; I think it's just a bunch of excuses for slacking off, personally, because for whatever cause Chinese pros are too lazy to tryhard between TI and CNY.
Its the money. These guys are playing Dota as their careers.
They underwent freakishly inhuman training sessions from February till TI4. They thought they could relax, visit their hometowns, play some MMORPGs before CNY before ramping up again.
Then DAC went ahead and announced a million dollar tournament during their supposed break rofl. Its kinda understandable.
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On January 31 2015 14:06 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Wait wtf C9 won vs rave how did that happen
C9 didn't pick sniper
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Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries.
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On January 31 2015 14:15 broodbucket wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:06 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Wait wtf C9 won vs rave how did that happen C9 didn't pick sniper
That's actually funny because every other sniper pick by not-C9 team had it's game won.
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On January 31 2015 14:13 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:11 beifru wrote:On January 31 2015 14:09 Daralii wrote:On January 31 2015 14:05 beifru wrote:
If Secret wins DAC, its gonna trigger a huge roster shuffle in China to get DK-like teams.
TI5 gonna be awesome. They're already planning one, they're just waiting for the Chinese New Year when contracts expire. Most Chinese pros have said that this tournament is at a bad time for them as a region. Yeah I know about the Chinese New Year shuffle. And I know everyone in China were already planning to shuffle, then DAC was announced. (awkward for IG since they kicked CH, but had to call him back to play rofl) But I mean if Secret runs away with DAC, I expect even stable teams like VG to be involved. Its gonna be a much larger shuffle than what usually happens during Chinese New Year. Except Vici were already expected to shuffle, with them kicking Black for Lanm. That rumor started like a week before the tournament.
That rumour was not legit lol. Sgamer has been starting threads to kick Black wayyyyy before that rumour. After every tournament that Black performs (The Summit 2 for example), the rumours died down for awhile, but came back later again.
I have no doubt that VG will shuffle after this tournament though.
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On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries.
the rumour said FY would go carry and Lanm go support
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On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries.
Rumor is FY is playing carry.
But I doubt Lamn is back, he said he will not attend TI5 in the recent interview.
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That sudden mass blink onto the high ground caught cdec totally offguard. Vs was isolated by viper and visage and so defensive swaps were out of the question. Fv + 1 for caught by call + jugg. Maybe tried to pewpew away but there's nothing the lone sniper could do.
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On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries.
LaNm actually is an amazing carry. Remember his Tiny? Just that he plays an astounding support as well.
Also, LaNm is an amazing director. Most of DK's calls were made by LaNm in the early game. Such direction is something Black can't give.
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wait, when was hgt vs. big god? and how did hgt win?
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On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries.
There is talk that fy wants to play carry.
I don't know about breaking up one of the most established support duos in the scene, but that's one way to do it. Lanm into his playmaking, usually greedy 4 position like what he already played at DK and fy into the 1.
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Lanm very rarely played greedy 4 in DK.
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On January 31 2015 14:19 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries. There is talk that fy wants to play carry. I don't know about breaking up one of the most established support duos in the scene, but that's one way to do it. Lanm into his playmaking, usually greedy 4 position like what he already played at DK and fy into the 1.
Actually fy has been underperforming as a support. This is probably one of the biggest reasons why VG is not doing so great.
There used to be FY-GOD plays in almost every VG game. Now he is making worse plays than fenrir.
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On January 31 2015 14:18 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries. LaNm actually is an amazing carry. Remember his Tiny? Just that he plays an astounding support as well. Also, LaNm is an amazing director. Most of DK's calls were made by LaNm in the early game. Such direction is something Black can't give.
I do remember his Tiny.
I don't remember a single one of his other heroes.
That says it all, basically. Contrast that with Sylar. I still remember Sylar killing Liquid 1v3 at the bot lane with a low level LD when they tried to dive him. Making game winning solo ganks on a carry Alchemist. Being the first Chinese player who knew how to play Lycan at an astounding level. The ban-worthiness of his Morphling.
THAT is how a top carry leaves his signature. Not with one game on Tiny.
I do remember Lanm for other heroes, though. His support Kunkka, support Alchemist, etc. But not for his carries.
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On January 31 2015 14:22 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:19 uriel- wrote:On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries. There is talk that fy wants to play carry. I don't know about breaking up one of the most established support duos in the scene, but that's one way to do it. Lanm into his playmaking, usually greedy 4 position like what he already played at DK and fy into the 1. Actually fy has been underperforming as a support. This is probably one of the biggest reasons why VG is not doing so great. There used to be FY-GOD plays in almost every VG game. Now he is making worse plays than fenrir.
I'm talking out of my ass here, but I wonder if this is down to him now being the drafter and presumably shotcaller as well. It's a lot harder to make big individual plays when you're trying to direct the whole team.
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On January 31 2015 14:23 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:18 beifru wrote:On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries. LaNm actually is an amazing carry. Remember his Tiny? Just that he plays an astounding support as well. Also, LaNm is an amazing director. Most of DK's calls were made by LaNm in the early game. Such direction is something Black can't give. I do remember his Tiny. I don't remember a single one of his other heroes. That says it all, basically. Contrast that with Sylar. I still remember Sylar killing Liquid 1v3 at the bot lane with a low level LD when they tried to dive him. Making game winning solo ganks on a carry Alchemist. Being the first Chinese player who knew how to play Lycan at an astounding level. The ban-worthiness of his Morphling. THAT is how a top carry leaves his signature. Not with one game on Tiny. I do remember Lanm for other heroes, though. His support Kunkka, support Alchemist, etc. But not for his carries.
to hear the day azarkon sings praises of sylar
how the world has turned
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On January 31 2015 14:19 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries. There is talk that fy wants to play carry. I don't know about breaking up one of the most established support duos in the scene, but that's one way to do it. Lanm into his playmaking, usually greedy 4 position like what he already played at DK and fy into the 1.
With fy playing like he is maybe a change is needed. He is far from his fy God form.
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On January 31 2015 14:25 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 14:22 beifru wrote:On January 31 2015 14:19 uriel- wrote:On January 31 2015 14:15 Azarkon wrote:
Black for Lanm is a bad trade. Lanm is a playmaker, not a farmer, and even back when he played carries he was never up to par with the best carries. There is talk that fy wants to play carry. I don't know about breaking up one of the most established support duos in the scene, but that's one way to do it. Lanm into his playmaking, usually greedy 4 position like what he already played at DK and fy into the 1. Actually fy has been underperforming as a support. This is probably one of the biggest reasons why VG is not doing so great. There used to be FY-GOD plays in almost every VG game. Now he is making worse plays than fenrir. I'm talking out of my ass here, but I wonder if this is down to him now being the drafter and presumably shotcaller as well. It's a lot harder to make big individual plays when you're trying to direct the whole team.
Puppey seems to be doing that quite well
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alright so i dont follow Dota as closely as I do League. Is the chinese Dota scene as developed as the League scene in china right now? Are these the rich teams that pay their players millions of dollar contracts that are getting crushed or what? I know they are historically the powerhouses in Dota but im not sure what their scene is like. Do they compete in a league and have team houses, coaches, and support staffs and stuff? Or are they like Secret and basically just a team of players without much backing?
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