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hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
October 03 2014 08:27 GMT
#641
On October 03 2014 17:18 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:17 Demand2k wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:15 beifru wrote:
So... we are back to 2013 dota? Thanks icefrog


TI3 > TI4


Actually I kinda liked TI2 the most. It had the most amazing plays imo.


ti2 was horrible. am vs morphling all day and naga. people just remember it because navi got a surprising 2nd place and made it through the winner bracket.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
October 03 2014 08:27 GMT
#642
It hurts to have your bonjwa stuck on a useless lich
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 08:31:58
October 03 2014 08:30 GMT
#643
On October 03 2014 17:20 DarkReign_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:18 Nymzee wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 DarkReign_ wrote:
Just pick carry next time VG.
Deathball push won't work now.

i think it was the lich pick

lich is useless, does nothing all game.

imagine if that was a support with a stun, or a silence, or some form of team fight ultimate that's good.... .


Yeah. Such a bad support that feeds late game.
But VG's draft is just bad,as bad as LGDs. Black was useless almost the entire game,just farming non stop.

Come on lets be real here. VG had everything they needed to win that game. They even raxed Alliance first. Draft issues are when you get ran over during laning because you cant stop them from wiining all lanes, or when you draft no early game vs 5man early push. This was neither. Had one engagement went slightly more in VG favor at some point during midgame or lategame, this could easily have turned into VG win. Game was really close.
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 03 2014 08:30 GMT
#644
On October 03 2014 17:27 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:18 beifru wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 Demand2k wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:15 beifru wrote:
So... we are back to 2013 dota? Thanks icefrog


TI3 > TI4


Actually I kinda liked TI2 the most. It had the most amazing plays imo.


ti2 was horrible. am vs morphling all day and naga. people just remember it because navi got a surprising 2nd place and made it through the winner bracket.


TI2 was fantastic past the group stages. I admit that it was morphling fest during the group stages but at the playoffs it really knocked it out of the ballpark. Navi countering naga with Jugg and Enig, IG countering Navi with disrupter, etc

TI3, on the other hand, was Lone Druid, Furion, Wisp-CK-Tiny every game. Not sure what was great about that.
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
October 03 2014 08:34 GMT
#645
Orange were in my mind only bright spot in strategy department cuse of wonky strats regarding TI3.
Btw, death of competitive dota is again upon us with this rat shitfest returning .
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
October 03 2014 08:35 GMT
#646
On October 03 2014 16:09 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 16:03 Seraphic wrote:
On October 03 2014 16:01 Atreides wrote:
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


Ya seriously haha, I can see why some people thought this was pretty lame from a spectator standpoint but it is not just alliance fault.


lol how is it not Alliance's fault? Alliance has been the one team in DotA 2 up until this point that pretty much rats whenever they can to win. That's literally how they can win, other wise they can't. Picking Brewmasters means jack in that line-up if they got an Naga, it's so pointless it's amazing.


I think you are clueless for saying that , but ill bite , they pick SPACE creating heroes so Naga can come online - Brew/Clock/Enchantress which all shine in the early/mid , then Naga comes late to finish the game , when C9 picks Naga/TB eveyrone praises them when other team takes NP and split push no one says a word (note that MANY teams runs NP these days) , if you watch Alliance games lately they were the one getting outclassed in the lategame (heroes wise) , so they figured hey this patch is about the ultra late game ? we pick Naga/TB\/Spectre every time to have a chance.
you watched their game vs C9 Naga? they had raxs down and a 21K timber/Lesh and what not and couldnt finish it.
they lost ultra late many games lately with a fighting lineup.
but ppl are so fast to blame alliance when they pick Naga.... whatever.

This is a smart post.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 03 2014 08:37 GMT
#647
All right I am about fucking done with this tournament's...

..."schedule."
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
DarkReign_
Profile Joined September 2012
1250 Posts
October 03 2014 08:41 GMT
#648
On October 03 2014 17:26 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:20 DarkReign_ wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:18 Nymzee wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 DarkReign_ wrote:
Just pick carry next time VG.
Deathball push won't work now.

i think it was the lich pick

lich is useless, does nothing all game.

imagine if that was a support with a stun, or a silence, or some form of team fight ultimate that's good.... .


Yeah. Such a bad support that feeds late game.
But VG's draft is just bad,as bad as LGDs. Black was useless almost the entire game,just farming non stop.


They needed a Dual Lane support as they had Doom jugnling , not much of a better Dual laner then Lich (with denies he guarrentes lanes coming to the offlaner and gets XP him self).
it wasnt a bad pickup , and they did farmed up their 4 cores , its just that they had the wrong 4 cores to handle the spectre/NP i guess.... maybe different set of cores wouldve worked out better for them.

Still does not negate that Lich is still bad at late game.
VG is still playing 6.81 dota.
Picking non-carry meta won't get you far in this patch.
DarkReign_
Profile Joined September 2012
1250 Posts
October 03 2014 08:42 GMT
#649
On October 03 2014 17:30 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:20 DarkReign_ wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:18 Nymzee wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 DarkReign_ wrote:
Just pick carry next time VG.
Deathball push won't work now.

i think it was the lich pick

lich is useless, does nothing all game.

imagine if that was a support with a stun, or a silence, or some form of team fight ultimate that's good.... .


Yeah. Such a bad support that feeds late game.
But VG's draft is just bad,as bad as LGDs. Black was useless almost the entire game,just farming non stop.

Come on lets be real here. VG had everything they needed to win that game. They even raxed Alliance first. Draft issues are when you get ran over during laning because you cant stop them from wiining all lanes, or when you draft no early game vs 5man early push. This was neither. Had one engagement went slightly more in VG favor at some point during midgame or lategame, this could easily have turned into VG win. Game was really close.

Game would be easier when they pick a carry for Black.
He was useless on Centaur in that entire game.
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
October 03 2014 08:44 GMT
#650
Hey my internet died and I'm using my friends phone to post thus. Can someone post the polls for games until I get internet again?
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
October 03 2014 08:46 GMT
#651
Crystal maiden 2nd pick boys
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 03 2014 08:46 GMT
#652
On October 03 2014 17:41 DarkReign_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:26 bluzi wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:20 DarkReign_ wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:18 Nymzee wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 DarkReign_ wrote:
Just pick carry next time VG.
Deathball push won't work now.

i think it was the lich pick

lich is useless, does nothing all game.

imagine if that was a support with a stun, or a silence, or some form of team fight ultimate that's good.... .


Yeah. Such a bad support that feeds late game.
But VG's draft is just bad,as bad as LGDs. Black was useless almost the entire game,just farming non stop.


They needed a Dual Lane support as they had Doom jugnling , not much of a better Dual laner then Lich (with denies he guarrentes lanes coming to the offlaner and gets XP him self).
it wasnt a bad pickup , and they did farmed up their 4 cores , its just that they had the wrong 4 cores to handle the spectre/NP i guess.... maybe different set of cores wouldve worked out better for them.

Still does not negate that Lich is still bad at late game.
VG is still playing 6.81 dota.
Picking non-carry meta won't get you far in this patch.


The lich pick was fine. You saw what he did in the lane-ing phase.

The point of the lich was to stabilize the lanes enough for VG to get away with a jungle doom. And in that sense, the pick was a huge success. VG picked an early game support as a trade-off to get away with an extra late-game core. Who cares if the lich feeds after that? You'll have a doom that's top of the net-worth chart in the late game that will be worth more than any "late-game support pair" combined.

It was a great idea, and one that was working in spite of the awful teamfights VG was taking.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 03 2014 08:47 GMT
#653
Oh god oh god this draft so far. Na'Vi pls
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
October 03 2014 08:51 GMT
#654
oh wow

here it is - a support which would've sucked more than lich for VG in their games

lol

why a 2nd pick CM?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 03 2014 08:52 GMT
#655
On October 03 2014 17:30 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:27 hfglgg wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:18 beifru wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 Demand2k wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:15 beifru wrote:
So... we are back to 2013 dota? Thanks icefrog


TI3 > TI4


Actually I kinda liked TI2 the most. It had the most amazing plays imo.


ti2 was horrible. am vs morphling all day and naga. people just remember it because navi got a surprising 2nd place and made it through the winner bracket.


TI2 was fantastic past the group stages. I admit that it was morphling fest during the group stages but at the playoffs it really knocked it out of the ballpark. Navi countering naga with Jugg and Enig, IG countering Navi with disrupter, etc

TI3, on the other hand, was Lone Druid, Furion, Wisp-CK-Tiny every game. Not sure what was great about that.


http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/features/3406-heroes-of-the-international-3

Were you watching the same TI3 as everyone else? NP is the only one of those in the top 20 picks. Wisp was autobanned.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
October 03 2014 08:53 GMT
#656
On October 03 2014 17:51 Nymzee wrote:
oh wow

here it is - a support which would've sucked more than lich for VG in their games

lol

why a 2nd pick CM?


We'll probably see why once all 5 heroes are picked, thats usually how it goes.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 03 2014 08:54 GMT
#657
Poll: Recommend VG vs Alliance Game 2 ?

Yes (6)
 
75%

No (2)
 
25%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend VG vs Alliance Game 2 ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend VG vs Alliance Game 3 ?

Yes (5)
 
56%

No (2)
 
22%

If you have time (2)
 
22%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend VG vs Alliance Game 3 ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 03 2014 08:55 GMT
#658
I'm going with...CM for Medusa shield regen

Totally worth.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
October 03 2014 08:55 GMT
#659
On October 03 2014 17:53 WakaDoDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:51 Nymzee wrote:
oh wow

here it is - a support which would've sucked more than lich for VG in their games

lol

why a 2nd pick CM?


We'll probably see why once all 5 heroes are picked, thats usually how it goes.

every support does what CM does but they do it better

idk, i hate CM. think she's worthless atm
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 08:56:07
October 03 2014 08:55 GMT
#660
On October 03 2014 17:30 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 17:27 hfglgg wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:18 beifru wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:17 Demand2k wrote:
On October 03 2014 17:15 beifru wrote:
So... we are back to 2013 dota? Thanks icefrog


TI3 > TI4


Actually I kinda liked TI2 the most. It had the most amazing plays imo.


ti2 was horrible. am vs morphling all day and naga. people just remember it because navi got a surprising 2nd place and made it through the winner bracket.


TI2 was fantastic past the group stages. I admit that it was morphling fest during the group stages but at the playoffs it really knocked it out of the ballpark. Navi countering naga with Jugg and Enig, IG countering Navi with disrupter, etc

TI3, on the other hand, was Lone Druid, Furion, Wisp-CK-Tiny every game. Not sure what was great about that.

I have a proposal.

TI2 was great, TI3 was great and TI4 was great. People need to learn to appreciate certain things and don't whine in general threads.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
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