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wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
October 03 2014 07:04 GMT
#501
Hey I can appreciate the Alliance's execution, probably more than most people here.

But 1 game of r[a]t is enough for me. Every style and strategy loses excitement if you see it enough times but rat dota loses its luster the quickest.

It's like trying to watch Citizen Kane. Apparently its a masterpiece of film making (to elitists anyway) but holy fuck its boring.

It's not hating.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 03 2014 07:06 GMT
#502
On October 03 2014 15:56 kirsed wrote:
Poll: Recommend Alliance vs VG Game 1

No (32)
 
46%

Yes (27)
 
39%

If you have time (10)
 
14%

69 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Alliance vs VG Game 1

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Seriously, who has that kind of time?
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28086 Posts
October 03 2014 07:06 GMT
#503
I don't mind rat dota if it's under 60 minutes and has more kills.
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Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
October 03 2014 07:06 GMT
#504
On October 03 2014 16:04 DarkReign_ wrote:
Just ban Naga and TB.
At least team won't deal with illusion ratting the base.

Think that's the point teams realise "Hey there was this antimage hero in this game much wow". Or at least in 2-3 months, gotta factor the thinktank-time.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 07:07:44
October 03 2014 07:06 GMT
#505
So Alliance is fighting VG, a team who has not lost a game forever, and you're angry because they brang VG to fight on their terms and didn't fight on VG's terms...yeah game was boring, no reason to get angry about it.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 03 2014 07:07 GMT
#506
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
October 03 2014 07:07 GMT
#507
On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field.
you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero.


how do you move out with 60s songs
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
DarkReign_
Profile Joined September 2012
1250 Posts
October 03 2014 07:08 GMT
#508
On October 03 2014 16:04 wuhan_clan wrote:
Hey I can appreciate the Alliance's execution, probably more than most people here.

But 1 game of r[a]t is enough for me. Every style and strategy loses excitement if you see it enough times but rat dota loses its luster the quickest.

It's like trying to watch Citizen Kane. Apparently its a masterpiece of film making (to elitists anyway) but holy fuck its boring.

It's not hating.

Yup. Teams play what they're comfortable at.
You can't blame chinese dota back in 2010-2012.
You can't blame Alliance playing rat dota in 2013.
And certainly you can't blame chinese dota deathball meta in 2014.
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
October 03 2014 07:08 GMT
#509
On October 03 2014 16:07 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field.
you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero.


how do you move out with 60s songs


he even got a slow level 16, you can fight before naga gets level 16 with dp / enigma
in it for the game not for the .... - PMS Army. [WUFC-SDK. VIM. PMS]
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 03 2014 07:08 GMT
#510
On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field.
you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero.


yeah its not Alliance fault man. /s
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-03 07:09:33
October 03 2014 07:08 GMT
#511
6.83

towers now ignore evasion and deal 2000% damage to illusions

thanks icefrog

no-one is saying alliance are dicks for doing it, but it's simply boring to watch. no-one's going to watch dota if it's -that- every game.

at least 10-15 minute deathball pushes involved kills and aggression...
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 03 2014 07:08 GMT
#512
On October 03 2014 16:08 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field.
you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero.


yeah its not Alliance fault man. /s

It's Icefrog's fault for not removing Naga.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
October 03 2014 07:09 GMT
#513
On October 03 2014 16:03 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 16:01 Atreides wrote:
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


Ya seriously haha, I can see why some people thought this was pretty lame from a spectator standpoint but it is not just alliance fault.


lol how is it not Alliance's fault? Alliance has been the one team in DotA 2 up until this point that pretty much rats whenever they can to win. That's literally how they can win, other wise they can't. Picking Brewmasters means jack in that line-up if they got an Naga, it's so pointless it's amazing.


I think you are clueless for saying that , but ill bite , they pick SPACE creating heroes so Naga can come online - Brew/Clock/Enchantress which all shine in the early/mid , then Naga comes late to finish the game , when C9 picks Naga/TB eveyrone praises them when other team takes NP and split push no one says a word (note that MANY teams runs NP these days) , if you watch Alliance games lately they were the one getting outclassed in the lategame (heroes wise) , so they figured hey this patch is about the ultra late game ? we pick Naga/TB\/Spectre every time to have a chance.
you watched their game vs C9 Naga? they had raxs down and a 21K timber/Lesh and what not and couldnt finish it.
they lost ultra late many games lately with a fighting lineup.
but ppl are so fast to blame alliance when they pick Naga.... whatever.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 03 2014 07:09 GMT
#514
Naga's Song at level 3 should be a 2 minute cd. Make it like Wraith King ulti.
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Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
October 03 2014 07:09 GMT
#515
On October 03 2014 16:09 Seraphic wrote:
Naga's Song at level 3 should be a 2 minute cd. Make it like Wraith King ulti.

WK ulti is 60 sec at level 3
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
October 03 2014 07:10 GMT
#516
Yay game 2 is starting
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
October 03 2014 07:10 GMT
#517
game two first pick naga gogo!
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
DarkReign_
Profile Joined September 2012
1250 Posts
October 03 2014 07:10 GMT
#518
On October 03 2014 16:09 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2014 16:03 Seraphic wrote:
On October 03 2014 16:01 Atreides wrote:
On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote:
Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight.


Ya seriously haha, I can see why some people thought this was pretty lame from a spectator standpoint but it is not just alliance fault.


lol how is it not Alliance's fault? Alliance has been the one team in DotA 2 up until this point that pretty much rats whenever they can to win. That's literally how they can win, other wise they can't. Picking Brewmasters means jack in that line-up if they got an Naga, it's so pointless it's amazing.


I think you are clueless for saying that , but ill bite , they pick SPACE creating heroes so Naga can come online - Brew/Clock/Enchantress which all shine in the early/mid , then Naga comes late to finish the game , when C9 picks Naga/TB eveyrone praises them when other team takes NP and split push no one says a word (note that MANY teams runs NP these days) , if you watch Alliance games lately they were the one getting outclassed in the lategame (heroes wise) , so they figured hey this patch is about the ultra late game ? we pick Naga/TB\/Spectre every time to have a chance.
you watched their game vs C9 Naga? they had raxs down and a 21K timber/Lesh and what not and couldnt finish it.
they lost ultra late many games lately with a fighting lineup.
but ppl are so fast to blame alliance when they pick Naga.... whatever.
The game was entertaining tho with LGD keep killing the support.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
October 03 2014 07:10 GMT
#519
nice naga's banned
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 03 2014 07:10 GMT
#520
Naga's banned, praise Fy.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
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