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Hey I can appreciate the Alliance's execution, probably more than most people here.
But 1 game of r[a]t is enough for me. Every style and strategy loses excitement if you see it enough times but rat dota loses its luster the quickest.
It's like trying to watch Citizen Kane. Apparently its a masterpiece of film making (to elitists anyway) but holy fuck its boring.
It's not hating.
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On October 03 2014 15:56 kirsed wrote:Poll: Recommend Alliance vs VG Game 1No (32) 46% Yes (27) 39% If you have time (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alliance vs VG Game 1 (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): If you have time
Seriously, who has that kind of time?
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I don't mind rat dota if it's under 60 minutes and has more kills.
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On October 03 2014 16:04 DarkReign_ wrote: Just ban Naga and TB. At least team won't deal with illusion ratting the base. Think that's the point teams realise "Hey there was this antimage hero in this game much wow". Or at least in 2-3 months, gotta factor the thinktank-time.
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So Alliance is fighting VG, a team who has not lost a game forever, and you're angry because they brang VG to fight on their terms and didn't fight on VG's terms...yeah game was boring, no reason to get angry about it.
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On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote: Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight. I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field. you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero.
how do you move out with 60s songs
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On October 03 2014 16:04 wuhan_clan wrote: Hey I can appreciate the Alliance's execution, probably more than most people here.
But 1 game of r[a]t is enough for me. Every style and strategy loses excitement if you see it enough times but rat dota loses its luster the quickest.
It's like trying to watch Citizen Kane. Apparently its a masterpiece of film making (to elitists anyway) but holy fuck its boring.
It's not hating. Yup. Teams play what they're comfortable at. You can't blame chinese dota back in 2010-2012. You can't blame Alliance playing rat dota in 2013. And certainly you can't blame chinese dota deathball meta in 2014.
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On October 03 2014 16:07 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote: Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight. I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field. you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero. how do you move out with 60s songs
he even got a slow level 16, you can fight before naga gets level 16 with dp / enigma
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On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote: Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight. I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field. you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero.
yeah its not Alliance fault man. /s
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towers now ignore evasion and deal 2000% damage to illusions
thanks icefrog
no-one is saying alliance are dicks for doing it, but it's simply boring to watch. no-one's going to watch dota if it's -that- every game.
at least 10-15 minute deathball pushes involved kills and aggression...
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On October 03 2014 16:08 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 16:03 bluzi wrote:On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote: Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight. I agree, Alliance pushed in all the lanes , VG shouldve said "fuck it" and go for it , but they wanted Alliance to go up the hill into them which was never going to happen, Rat dota is when other team is at your towers and you stall with 3-4 while trying to take raxes and avoid actual fights and just trade where you can , i dont see this game as "pure rat" , VG were pinned to there base and didnt want to fight outside of it with their squishy Drow ranger which they cant defend in the open field. you give away Naga first pick be ready to end the game early or have the balls to go for the win , being pushed in is a given for this hero. yeah its not Alliance fault man. /s It's Icefrog's fault for not removing Naga.
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On October 03 2014 16:03 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 16:01 Atreides wrote:On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote: Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight. Ya seriously haha, I can see why some people thought this was pretty lame from a spectator standpoint but it is not just alliance fault. lol how is it not Alliance's fault? Alliance has been the one team in DotA 2 up until this point that pretty much rats whenever they can to win. That's literally how they can win, other wise they can't. Picking Brewmasters means jack in that line-up if they got an Naga, it's so pointless it's amazing.
I think you are clueless for saying that , but ill bite , they pick SPACE creating heroes so Naga can come online - Brew/Clock/Enchantress which all shine in the early/mid , then Naga comes late to finish the game , when C9 picks Naga/TB eveyrone praises them when other team takes NP and split push no one says a word (note that MANY teams runs NP these days) , if you watch Alliance games lately they were the one getting outclassed in the lategame (heroes wise) , so they figured hey this patch is about the ultra late game ? we pick Naga/TB\/Spectre every time to have a chance. you watched their game vs C9 Naga? they had raxs down and a 21K timber/Lesh and what not and couldnt finish it. they lost ultra late many games lately with a fighting lineup. but ppl are so fast to blame alliance when they pick Naga.... whatever.
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Naga's Song at level 3 should be a 2 minute cd. Make it like Wraith King ulti.
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On October 03 2014 16:09 Seraphic wrote: Naga's Song at level 3 should be a 2 minute cd. Make it like Wraith King ulti. WK ulti is 60 sec at level 3
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game two first pick naga gogo!
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On October 03 2014 16:09 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2014 16:03 Seraphic wrote:On October 03 2014 16:01 Atreides wrote:On October 03 2014 15:59 njt7 wrote: Haters be hatin, I find it silly that you blame alliance for vg hiding in their base. How can you be more aggressive without making mistakes then what you just saw? They actually camped outside of their base forever VG just had to go outside if they wanted to fight. Ya seriously haha, I can see why some people thought this was pretty lame from a spectator standpoint but it is not just alliance fault. lol how is it not Alliance's fault? Alliance has been the one team in DotA 2 up until this point that pretty much rats whenever they can to win. That's literally how they can win, other wise they can't. Picking Brewmasters means jack in that line-up if they got an Naga, it's so pointless it's amazing. I think you are clueless for saying that , but ill bite , they pick SPACE creating heroes so Naga can come online - Brew/Clock/Enchantress which all shine in the early/mid , then Naga comes late to finish the game , when C9 picks Naga/TB eveyrone praises them when other team takes NP and split push no one says a word (note that MANY teams runs NP these days) , if you watch Alliance games lately they were the one getting outclassed in the lategame (heroes wise) , so they figured hey this patch is about the ultra late game ? we pick Naga/TB\/Spectre every time to have a chance. you watched their game vs C9 Naga? they had raxs down and a 21K timber/Lesh and what not and couldnt finish it. they lost ultra late many games lately with a fighting lineup. but ppl are so fast to blame alliance when they pick Naga.... whatever. The game was entertaining tho with LGD keep killing the support.
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Naga's banned, praise Fy.
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