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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 03 2013 21:03 GMT
#2121
I'd have more faith but this is the same thing that happened with the FIRST iteration of TL.

Look really good, hit a rough patch, then flounder around uselessly for 6 months.

Loosing a series isnt that big a deal. But they didnt even look like they belonged in the same game as Alliance. Or even wanted to be for that matter.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
December 03 2013 21:07 GMT
#2122
Thats exactly it for me

Liquid didn't even look like they were trying sometimes

And seriously whats with drafting TC mirana, they're like 1-10 with it or something
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
December 03 2013 21:09 GMT
#2123
On December 04 2013 06:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
I think Liquid had the better draft in game 1 but gave the game away by wanking off across the map in packs of two instead of getting shit done with BKB on Gyro and Hex on OD.
Equal draft in game 2 which was a game that could've gone either way. Gamble fight for the rosh lost them the game. Shit happens.
Game 3 was down to support effectiveness and lanes. Two losing lanes as well as [A] supports outperforming them (though part of that is thanks to random harpy luck).

Getting 3-0'ed sucks ass but they played two fairly good games considering this is still the same unpracticed team as the one that went to MLG and Dreamhack and they've switched drafters AND hero picks for the players. Give them some frigging time to get back to practice and find new strats and drafts. These things take time for teams that aren't Na'Vi.

Maybe mods should start doing something about people who are way too negative, it just hurts to read that shit every time again and again. It's not like your whining's gonna change shit.


People wouldn't be mad if they weren't doing things that obviously are failing over and over. Anyone who watches Liquid knows they have a horrific win rate whenever they put TC on Mirana, and yet they keep doing it even though they must be like 1-10 with it at this point.
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 21:12:59
December 03 2013 21:12 GMT
#2124
Well you're both missing the point on the Mirana pick but whatever.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
December 03 2013 21:12 GMT
#2125
They must have some success in scrims with it, I assume.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
December 03 2013 21:14 GMT
#2126
Idk It never seems to have much impact.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
December 03 2013 21:14 GMT
#2127
On December 04 2013 06:12 AwfuL_ wrote:
Well you're both missing the point on the Mirana pick but whatever.


TC sat top lane and just got crushed in lane by Alch, he had no impact as far as ganks or creating space went. If TC actually did things with Mirana you could make that argument, but he played it like a 1 and just failed.
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
December 03 2013 21:26 GMT
#2128
This is so depressing
I could spend a while with that smile
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
December 03 2013 21:31 GMT
#2129
Their strat was to do well enough in the early game on BM, Tinker and the supports (sacrificing the Mirana) to be able to group up and push down towers covered by march and plague wards, and with wards, arrows, hawk and moonlight shadow for the vision advantage. Then in the midgame they would have global ganking with BM and Tinker. Hex on Tinker would deal fairly easily with Alch no matter how farmed he was. But with the FB, the courier dying, Ench heavily outperforming the Chen and Bulldog escaping gank attempts (not that there were many), the difference in support effectiveness basically made them have to abandon their plans. And the Mirana pick (which is NOT a 1, Tinker was the 1) obviously looks shit in that case.

Like I said on JD, give the team some time to train, they haven't scrimmed in weeks, and they just switched drafters / picks. They just might be back to beating pretty much everyone except Alliance and Na'Vi soon enough.

And just a reminder that TC's last game on Mirana was a 6/0/13 game against Na'Vi.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
December 03 2013 22:21 GMT
#2130
On December 04 2013 06:09 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 06:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
I think Liquid had the better draft in game 1 but gave the game away by wanking off across the map in packs of two instead of getting shit done with BKB on Gyro and Hex on OD.
Equal draft in game 2 which was a game that could've gone either way. Gamble fight for the rosh lost them the game. Shit happens.
Game 3 was down to support effectiveness and lanes. Two losing lanes as well as [A] supports outperforming them (though part of that is thanks to random harpy luck).

Getting 3-0'ed sucks ass but they played two fairly good games considering this is still the same unpracticed team as the one that went to MLG and Dreamhack and they've switched drafters AND hero picks for the players. Give them some frigging time to get back to practice and find new strats and drafts. These things take time for teams that aren't Na'Vi.

Maybe mods should start doing something about people who are way too negative, it just hurts to read that shit every time again and again. It's not like your whining's gonna change shit.


People wouldn't be mad if they weren't doing things that obviously are failing over and over. Anyone who watches Liquid knows they have a horrific win rate whenever they put TC on Mirana, and yet they keep doing it even though they must be like 1-10 with it at this point.


they're 4-5 with it now according to tobi's stat guy
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
December 03 2013 22:37 GMT
#2131
It might be somewhat of an attitude thing for liquid at this point. Traveling and losing like they did must take a huge psychic toll on any competitor. They're probably all on tilt as a team. Hope they don't read these threads and just focus on regaining their footing.
I could spend a while with that smile
BuLba
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1585 Posts
December 03 2013 23:17 GMT
#2132
too late
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
December 03 2013 23:48 GMT
#2133
I srry bulba ur still my waifu
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
December 04 2013 00:09 GMT
#2134
I really don't understand what happened to the TC that consistently topped the CS charts in the time before TI3 and carrying hard whether the game was going well or not. Now he plays shit like Clinkz, Mirana, Viper, completely negating the fact that he's fucking amazing at getting farm. Revolve your game around him, pick a really hard carry and then a team that synergises and can create space for him. Seems like a bit of a case of overthinking things with the strange ways Liquid drafts are going.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 00:16:35
December 04 2013 00:15 GMT
#2135
TC has a lot of abilities imo Saechiis so I dont think he has to play a hard carry, but I do miss some of other heroes he used to play, specially Lifestealer.

TC still the player with the best music onstream, gy!be ftw
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
December 04 2013 00:46 GMT
#2136
On December 04 2013 09:09 Saechiis wrote:
I really don't understand what happened to the TC that consistently topped the CS charts in the time before TI3 and carrying hard whether the game was going well or not. Now he plays shit like Clinkz, Mirana, Viper, completely negating the fact that he's fucking amazing at getting farm. Revolve your game around him, pick a really hard carry and then a team that synergises and can create space for him. Seems like a bit of a case of overthinking things with the strange ways Liquid drafts are going.


He still finds farm a lot. Infact that is kinda one of the reasons why people keep hating on TC mirana since he farms a lot on that hero without moving for arrows.
Their Mechanics aren't the problem , they lack a real leader in between them that gives out clear calls and objectives.This is evident in games where they win their lanes.They either Split push/Farm for too Long and give the enemy a chance to come back/Get picked off unnecessarily/Let other teams take advantages without taking any trade ( Giving away free Roshans without taking any towers or kills).
Right now it seems as if everyone does his own thing once they get into a disadvantage or they are unable to take towers/raxes.

Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Cjr_boyz
Profile Joined February 2011
Indonesia9 Posts
December 04 2013 06:30 GMT
#2137
Really disappointed with how liquid have been playing lately... for me who need to stay up very late to watch them play, it irritate me sometimes.. but i still believe on them.. #fanboy
Nobody's perfect
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
December 04 2013 08:33 GMT
#2138
So Sigma v Na'Vi is today at 20 cet? That's what the official website says but I don't see that anywhere else.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 04 2013 10:28 GMT
#2139
On December 04 2013 17:33 kirsed wrote:
So Sigma v Na'Vi is today at 20 cet? That's what the official website says but I don't see that anywhere else.

you see it on the TL calendar!
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Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
December 04 2013 11:07 GMT
#2140
On December 04 2013 19:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 17:33 kirsed wrote:
So Sigma v Na'Vi is today at 20 cet? That's what the official website says but I don't see that anywhere else.

you see it on the TL calendar!


Ya I'm dumb thanks for your work opterown.
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