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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 15 2014 01:37 GMT
#17841
yes. his ultimate can also be used as escape mechanism and can 1v1/1v2 the heroes trying to defend his split push.
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2854 Posts
June 15 2014 01:41 GMT
#17842
That makes some sense, thanks. The account's never been over 50% winrate, so I guess a couple decent stat scores in losing games would be enough to bump MMR substantially higher than I want it to be.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 15 2014 01:42 GMT
#17843
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-strategy/454694-hero-lycan

best guide out there yet
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NeoRussia
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada381 Posts
June 15 2014 07:34 GMT
#17844
Hey guys, I've recently fallen from 4.7k to 3.8k, an almost 1000 mmr difference, but every game still feels like a 1v5 and almost impossible to win, and im still falling in mmr. Can someone look over and tell me what I could have done to win these last few games?

http://dotabuff.com/matches/720615905
http://dotabuff.com/matches/720699421
http://dotabuff.com/matches/720359902
#BUFFEARTH
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 15 2014 08:51 GMT
#17845
On June 15 2014 10:35 Nightlark wrote:
As a person who does not normally play Lycan, why is he considered such a strong hero in the current meta? Is it solely because of his tower-pushing potential?

Yes tower pushes paired up with minions like Furions trees.

Howl is a dumb spell. I know you should really shouldn't compare spells. However, sometimes it gives a perspective. People thought AA's chilling touch was really strong. Howl compared to Chilling Touch:


CT has +80 dmg for 6 attacks. You have to group up to buff it, and it slows your attack speed. Also doesn't work on minions.

Howl +50 /+20 for minions for 10 seconds (which is more than 6 attacks for most heroes, especially carries lategame), GLOBAL, doesn't slow attack speed. And it works on minions.


I think a lot of people don't realize how strong that spell actually is.
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ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
June 15 2014 11:17 GMT
#17846
On June 15 2014 16:34 NeoRussia wrote:
Hey guys, I've recently fallen from 4.7k to 3.8k, an almost 1000 mmr difference, but every game still feels like a 1v5 and almost impossible to win, and im still falling in mmr. Can someone look over and tell me what I could have done to win these last few games?

http://dotabuff.com/matches/720615905
http://dotabuff.com/matches/720699421
http://dotabuff.com/matches/720359902


This probably doesn't belong in this thread, but I watched the beginning of your Morph game anyway.
You start with not enough regen against a Weaver and apparently play the entire lane without considering that you could contribute to pressuring/killing him. There is little reason to skill Morph at 3/5/7 and it just hampers your kill potential. You also miss out on 2 possible kills because you don't position yourself as aggressively as you could. First when Rubick used Dust you could have run forward as soon as Weaver turned around and would have gotten the kill (although the lvl 1 waveform at lvl 3 makes it close). A bit later you had a shot at just finishing him off with Waveform (at the very least, you could have forced out a Shukuchi by just looking more menacing).

You also ran around at too much Str which doesn't exactly help your lack of regen and worsens your lasthit and kill potential. Missing around 10 lasthits in 3 minutes (and finishing your Aquila) also delayed your needed RoH, which probably contributed to you not playing confidently on lane.

All of this together resulted in a Morph with 60 cs at 14 min, who then replicates right next to an enemy Pudge and dies.
NeoRussia
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada381 Posts
June 15 2014 11:55 GMT
#17847
right thanks, I'm gonna grind out a ton of morph games now to get good at the hero. That missclick with the pudge was funny btw.
#BUFFEARTH
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
June 15 2014 19:20 GMT
#17848
newbie question: I know alt-clicking on the portrait sends the "Missing (Enemy Character)" message, is there a similar default hotkey/command for the "Go on (Enemy Character)!" message?
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
June 15 2014 19:28 GMT
#17849
On June 16 2014 04:20 Gara wrote:
newbie question: I know alt-clicking on the portrait sends the "Missing (Enemy Character)" message, is there a similar default hotkey/command for the "Go on (Enemy Character)!" message?

Don't think so. Just ping them.
:)
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1091 Posts
June 15 2014 20:43 GMT
#17850
What happens when you get both threads and bots on Meepo? Do the clones get the strength and attack speed from the threads and the movement speed from the bots?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 15 2014 20:57 GMT
#17851
The boots Meepo clones get is based on a hard-coded priority order. If you have multiple boots, your clones will receive the benefit of the highest priority boots. You can get the functionality of the other boots by having the main Meepo drop the higher priority boots.
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2854 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 21:15:13
June 15 2014 21:03 GMT
#17852
On June 16 2014 05:43 parkin wrote:
What happens when you get both threads and bots on Meepo? Do the clones get the strength and attack speed from the threads and the movement speed from the bots?


Only one pair of boots is active at a time, and in all cases BoTs take priority over Treads on secondary meepos, regardless of pickup or slot order. So secondary meepos lose the benefit of treads if you get both.

I didn't know this, but Treads + Aghas actually makes Treads give +16 selected stat to secondary meepos, because they get the +8 from main meepo via stat sharing, and also the +8 from their own pair.

-edit- ninja'd

also about howl - it works against towers, too, whereas touch does not.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 15 2014 21:18 GMT
#17853
That Travels have priority over Treads is actually a bug that is a net nerf to Meepo and makes Treads less appealing.
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2854 Posts
June 15 2014 22:35 GMT
#17854
I wonder why it isn't slot priority like some orb effects are. I can see arguments for both +50ms and +16stats / 30aspd in certain situations. Not that meepo needs more micro, but it would probably make the transition from early treads to later travels smoother.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 16 2014 00:58 GMT
#17855
I play a lot of nature's prophet, but I always build like Midas>Aghs>necro (or midas>shadowblade>deso) into a split push strategy. If I want to try out the dagon/ganking build, how should I be building, and what is my goal later into the game; I always end up split pushing constantly on NP, so I'm not really sure what I would be doing if not that.

Also, on an (I'm assuming) unrelated note; what is rat dota? I keep hearing commentators saying stuff about rat dota, but they don't explain what it is.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 16 2014 01:10 GMT
#17856
rat dota is just split-pushing. pushing while avoiding fights.

aghs is bad on np and very situational. you shouldnt spam your ulti everytime it is on cooldown because
- it 'steals' the creeps of your allies
- it is very strong in team fights
i often use ulti before ganking or during a team fight (but casted on the other side of the map for maximum efficiency).

in my own opinion, there are 3 types of NP

Support NP (not the best support but hey, you always dont get the roles you want in pubs)
-buys the courier and wards while buying clarities in jungling, you cant offlane.
-get phase as fast as you can while going treant/tp/sprout into 1/1/3
-gank with tp sprout (especially with greedy mids)
-mek into necro 3 into scythe
-midas if you have the space but you can also skip this, money wont be a problem for NP

Split-Push NP
-boots first if solo offlane, RoP + clarities if jungling
-get midas into necro3 (but shadowblade is also good)
-desolator for that -armor on towers + manta if it gets that late or you could go scythe

Carry NP
-boots first if solo offlane, RoP + clarities if jungling
-get midas into shadowblade (orchid if needed for certain situations)
- maelstrom -> mjolnir or BKB or scythe (depends on the situation)
- daedalus

this is how i play NP and for fuck's sake dont go cliff jungling
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 16 2014 01:15 GMT
#17857
When I call "mia" or "ss" (or some variation on that theme), does that also always make my character call the same?

Sometimes, I've seen my own character call "Missing top!" without me having called it (by accident). Is this a built-in feature or was I just not listening carefully?
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 16 2014 01:18 GMT
#17858
On June 16 2014 10:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
When I call "mia" or "ss" (or some variation on that theme), does that also always make my character call the same?

Sometimes, I've seen my own character call "Missing top!" without me having called it (by accident). Is this a built-in feature or was I just not listening carefully?


you can "alt-click" a portrait on the top to call missing

you can bind a hotkey to call "Missing!" which is contextual..if you are top it will say "Missing Top!", if you are mid it will say "Missing Mid!" etc. if you aren't in a lane, it will just say "Missing!"

there is also a chat wheel phrase "All Enemy Heroes Missing!"
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
NeoRussia
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 01:45:52
June 16 2014 01:41 GMT
#17859
On June 16 2014 10:10 icystorage wrote:
rat dota is just split-pushing. pushing while avoiding fights.

aghs is bad on np and very situational. you shouldnt spam your ulti everytime it is on cooldown because
- it 'steals' the creeps of your allies
- it is very strong in team fights
i often use ulti before ganking or during a team fight (but casted on the other side of the map for maximum efficiency).

in my own opinion, there are 3 types of NP

Support NP (not the best support but hey, you always dont get the roles you want in pubs)
-buys the courier and wards while buying clarities in jungling, you cant offlane.
-get phase as fast as you can while going treant/tp/sprout into 1/1/3
-gank with tp sprout (especially with greedy mids)
-mek into necro 3 into scythe
-midas if you have the space but you can also skip this, money wont be a problem for NP

Split-Push NP
-boots first if solo offlane, RoP + clarities if jungling
-get midas into necro3 (but shadowblade is also good)
-desolator for that -armor on towers + manta if it gets that late or you could go scythe

Carry NP
-boots first if solo offlane, RoP + clarities if jungling
-get midas into shadowblade (orchid if needed for certain situations)
- maelstrom -> mjolnir or BKB or scythe (depends on the situation)
- daedalus

this is how i play NP and for fuck's sake dont go cliff jungling


Aghs is boss on furion, core item on the boss build. Which is : necrobook 3, aghs, refresher, necrobook 3, boots of travel
If you obtain all of these items you are a boss and have no chance of losing

Also you forgot the deathball push strat furion, not common in pubs but if you have the right lineup you should go mek into necronomicon

btw only put 2 points into treants if you are going a gank-oriented build, like the cheesy shotgun dagon prophet. You should only have 2-3 points in it an max teleport first regardless of build unless you are doing early push strat.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 16 2014 02:07 GMT
#17860
i think you cant refresh necro3, it overrides the current necros, unless you mean after they expire or trolling @_@
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