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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
June 12 2014 16:25 GMT
#17781
if you play alot of dota your mmr is probably pretty accurate of your actual skill and shouldnt fluctuate greatly. i only told that guy above to play mid because he already does it when hes mmr drops low to get it back up.

it is without a doubt that the mid player makes the most impact in the game and if you think you are better than people your own mmr and want to raise it to a level you belong thats exactly what you should do. but then again if you are actually better than the mmr region you are in, you can random and still win 80%+ your games, mid is just a faster and more effective way.

mid role is not as easy as people think, some people simply makes no impact once they get crushed mid, and rotate blindly and waste even more time. and unless you are amazing dont play farming mids. play heroes that can make an impact even if you somehow lose mid.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
June 12 2014 16:29 GMT
#17782
ward trapping is generally easiest if you hex > wards a little in front of them
or euls > trap but euls is kind of mediocre gotta get dat aghs refresh

puck gets treads for treadswapping with bottle. phase is p good too for laning
he does a p decent amount of autoattack damage lategame, its not amazing but you still get like 200 damage autoattacks with sheep + refresh/shivas
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-12 16:58:57
June 12 2014 16:54 GMT
#17783
Ward trapping is most easily executed with Hex (because the hero graphics is moved so close to the ground hitbox). Imma try to explain though. They spawn like this:

XOOOX
XOXOX
OOOOO

(O = wards, X = no ward)

and the middle of your cursor is where the middle hole (mid X in the second row) will be. The main importance is that the hole appears on ground level, whereas most people click at the middle of the hero hitbox which means that they can easily squeeze out. The trick is to aim low on the hitbox (where the hero circle underneath the hero hits the ground) instead of in the middle of the hero.

You can't disable Tiny toss - just don't stand next to him if possible.

Also; Puck PTs is for poor base HP.
JJAYL
Profile Joined October 2013
United States40 Posts
June 12 2014 17:06 GMT
#17784
As visage is there any point of holding your aghs in your inventory after you summon your birds? Does dropping the aghs after you summon affect the birds?
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
June 12 2014 17:40 GMT
#17785
Hitpoints, mana, ability to resummon the birds in a fight?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-12 17:44:25
June 12 2014 17:44 GMT
#17786
What would you even drop it for? Even a core Visage will almost never get so farmed that he wants to drop Aghanim's for another item.
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
June 12 2014 20:02 GMT
#17787
are you trying to be more efficient with bottling yourself by dropping aghs? i wouldnt drop huge game changing items like aghs to be more efficient with bottling its not worth the risk.

and there no other item that you would want to replace aghs with on visage. those lvl 16 familiars are hella strong and demolish buildings/heroes in seconds.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 12 2014 20:04 GMT
#17788
wat who buys a bottle on visage
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
June 12 2014 20:13 GMT
#17789
On June 13 2014 05:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
wat who buys a bottle on visage


well that was the only reason i could think of for him dropping the aghs.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 12 2014 20:18 GMT
#17790
I think his plan was to be 7 slotted by dropping aghs in base after summoning birds. As visage. Lol.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
June 12 2014 20:54 GMT
#17791
just buy a coerier for yourself. you can carry 12 items this way.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 12 2014 22:12 GMT
#17792
On June 13 2014 02:44 TheYango wrote:
What would you even drop it for? Even a core Visage will almost never get so farmed that he wants to drop Aghanim's for another item.

Well, you could keep Agh's in fountain when ult is on CD, but yeah this is some really theoretical ground here.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 12 2014 22:41 GMT
#17793
On June 13 2014 05:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think his plan was to be 7 slotted by dropping aghs in base after summoning birds. As visage. Lol.

But you want this agha refrsher combo for 9 aoe stun from birds lategame, can't drop agha.
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-12 22:55:57
June 12 2014 22:55 GMT
#17794
On June 13 2014 07:41 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 05:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think his plan was to be 7 slotted by dropping aghs in base after summoning birds. As visage. Lol.

But you want this agha refrsher combo for 9 aoe stun from birds lategame, can't drop agha.


oh boy thats some next level strat right there. shoot drop resummon shoot drop resummon shoot drop resummon, grandmaster lvl micro/apm.
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NeoRussia
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada381 Posts
June 12 2014 23:00 GMT
#17795
you also need abyssal + hex with refresher for MONUMENTAL PERMASTUN
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xxsaznpride
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States506 Posts
June 13 2014 01:19 GMT
#17796
Why do people build Mjollnir on Akasha? I've seen pro games where they go Boots Bottle PT Orchid BKB Mjollnir but never understood why they'd go for the hammer when Guinsoo and Aghy are on the table?

Is there a preferred site for looking at hero guides? I'm transitioning back into DotA from HoN and a year of League and don't know how the new ones work (as far as both strategy and button mashing). On top of that, the game seems to have changed a bit, like how Krob and Potm are played as supports early now.

Why do people say DotA heroes are more OP than League champs? Not a strategy question but it's something I've been curious about.

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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 13 2014 01:20 GMT
#17797
Yango would tell you that his agi gain is good enough that she can transition into a right clicker
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 02:56:45
June 13 2014 02:51 GMT
#17798
On June 13 2014 10:19 xxsaznpride wrote:
Why do people build Mjollnir on Akasha? I've seen pro games where they go Boots Bottle PT Orchid BKB Mjollnir but never understood why they'd go for the hammer when Guinsoo and Aghy are on the table?

Is there a preferred site for looking at hero guides? I'm transitioning back into DotA from HoN and a year of League and don't know how the new ones work (as far as both strategy and button mashing). On top of that, the game seems to have changed a bit, like how Krob and Potm are played as supports early now.

Why do people say DotA heroes are more OP than League champs? Not a strategy question but it's something I've been curious about.

Please and thank you.

You can use Torte's in-game guides (they'll be named 6.81 standard something something).

Dota heroes are more "OP" than LoL champs for reasons including but not limited to: much longer stun durations (2-5 second stuns vs 0.5-2 sec stuns, existence of bashes, not to mention all the shit that gives you ministun), much more potent slow/silence, harder hitting nukes with no items (LoL champs need a lot of items for their skills to burst as hard as strong Dota nukers), huge range on blinks, huge aoe effects like black hole / rp / chrono are simply not present in LoL. Basically most LoL ults could potentially be a q on a Dota hero.

Of course, one of the reasons for this is all LoL spells are much more spammable; it'd be a bit ridiculous if spells were as strong as Dota spells are.


On June 13 2014 10:20 icystorage wrote:
his agi gain

hehe
:)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 13 2014 07:27 GMT
#17799
Clearly Yango's agi gain is so high it transfers onto the hero he's playing
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 13 2014 07:28 GMT
#17800
english is hard
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