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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Bearded Elder29906 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On June 20 2013 18:16 739 wrote: Have fun grabbing BF/threads @ 13min mark in a pub game. Yeah, I don't think this is realistic in a pub game unless your opponents feed. Dual lanes are so common and you pretty much never get free farm. I think 20 minutes is more realistic. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
13min treads/bfury isnt | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8946 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Nevermind the fact that his lane partner has been stealing lasthits, or went to jungle at lv4 and left him solo and underlevelled against a dual stun, or the team did nothing to create pressure and let the T1 safe fall, or that someone else is about to start pushing safelane and clearing jungle the instant am does get his bf. Or, just the fact that the dual lane containing a passive carry - surprise, surprise - didn't actually force the opposing pair out of lane. Pubs are pubs. Timings have to be nearly useless in <5-stack games, unless they're qualified with "full support, destroyed lane, X kills/towers" etc. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Is there some kind of weird control mechanic I'm not getting here? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On June 20 2013 21:09 Talin wrote: When I play Rubick against a team with Spirit Breaker on it (which seems like all the time nowadays), sometimes when SB charges I manage to lift him before he hits, and escape or set up an easy kill. Sometimes when I try that, nothing happens, and I get bashed to death (no BKB is involved). Is there some kind of weird control mechanic I'm not getting here? Unless you take too long to turn around for lifting him I can't see something that would prevent you from it. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
also split shot | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On June 20 2013 21:43 icystorage wrote: does indirect flak cannon never miss against evasion? also split shot It misses against evasion - try testing it in the mid lane with a creep on low ground versus a creep on high ground, it will miss against the high ground creep occasionally. No idea about Split Shot, though if I understand correctly it won't miss against evasion targets in dota1. No idea about dota2. | ||
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On June 20 2013 21:09 Talin wrote: When I play Rubick against a team with Spirit Breaker on it (which seems like all the time nowadays), sometimes when SB charges I manage to lift him before he hits, and escape or set up an easy kill. Sometimes when I try that, nothing happens, and I get bashed to death (no BKB is involved). Is there some kind of weird control mechanic I'm not getting here? There is a small window of time where SB is magic immune when charging, right before hitting. So if you take too long, he will connect. Also, his ulti gives the same magic immunity. This frustrates me to no end when trying to stun/stop his charge. Specially since I don't have stellar ping. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
If you're picking an am, you shouldn't be happy unless you have a 13 minute bf/treads. Either unhappy with yourself for messing up, or unhappy with the other team for making your lane hell. If the othe team makes your lane hell, your items are going to go out the window, maybe you'll be happy to have a 10 minute treads/ring. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On June 20 2013 23:15 Jotoco wrote: There is a small window of time where SB is magic immune when charging, right before hitting. So if you take too long, he will connect. Also, his ulti gives the same magic immunity. This frustrates me to no end when trying to stun/stop his charge. Specially since I don't have stellar ping. No. He's never magic immune during charge, only during the cast time of his ultimate | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
13min bf/treads is not realistic in pubs unless you have legit supports and have really terrible opponents. my bf/treads timing when contested is anywhere sub 20mins. sometimes it will get delayed even further. and when my lane is uncontested i go 11ck/min and end the game before 30mins. timings are pointless in pubs even on very straightforward heroes like am. you just gotta adapt to the situation and perhaps even skip bf in some games. | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3475 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On June 21 2013 02:22 gaymon wrote: 10-11 min bf is flatout impossible if you dont get kills/assists/towers given the fact that you can get a maximum of ~85 lasthits (4k gold) and ~700 static gold stack and pull the pull camp and give that to burning too?  | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On June 21 2013 03:43 synapse wrote: stack and pull the pull camp and give that to burning too? You could, but it's tricky to get a lot of lasthits from the camp while still gettiing the lanecreeps. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
What's exactly the border between a good target time->impossible? A good target time that works from normal mmr to very high mmr to pro levels is nonsensical. Until you're burning level, you can always do better, so an ideal time should be your target. If you're going to practice (a free farm) am, you should be gauging how far off your performances are from your target, and then you'll know exactly how far off you are. Knowing you're 2 minutes off 13 tells you more than being +30 seconds off of 14:30. I think assuming one tier 1 is reasonable. Perfect cs with one tier 1 last hit and no neutrals is slightly under 13 (12 something if you've farming near their tier 2). | ||
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On June 21 2013 00:20 Erasme wrote: No. He's never magic immune during charge, only during the cast time of his ultimate Strange. I recall receiving the message that the subject is magic immune several times when attempting to block a charge of darkness with any kind of stun. | ||
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