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TyroneSlothrop
Profile Joined June 2013
12 Posts
June 03 2013 02:00 GMT
#9341
Has IceFrog released new heroes for Dota 1 during the Dota 2 beta before?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 02:13:26
June 03 2013 02:12 GMT
#9342
On June 03 2013 11:00 TyroneSlothrop wrote:
Has IceFrog released new heroes for Dota 1 during the Dota 2 beta before?


Yes. 6.73 had new heroes.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TyroneSlothrop
Profile Joined June 2013
12 Posts
June 03 2013 03:49 GMT
#9343
Reading over old patch notes out of curiosity. My favorite: + Show Spoiler +
Changelog 6.04
===========

Bugs Fixed:
*Gambler does not instant kill roshan


What changed in July 2012 when new heroes went from 1-3 per week to 1 per month?
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
June 03 2013 05:07 GMT
#9344
Why don't we see Naga Siren is pro games anymore?
@
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12187 Posts
June 03 2013 05:11 GMT
#9345
On June 03 2013 14:07 sqrt wrote:
Why don't we see Naga Siren is pro games anymore?


Naga was nerfed in the last major patch. Less base damage and longer CD. We still do see it once in a while though.
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
June 03 2013 05:23 GMT
#9346
On June 03 2013 14:11 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 14:07 sqrt wrote:
Why don't we see Naga Siren is pro games anymore?


Naga was nerfed in the last major patch. Less base damage and longer CD. We still do see it once in a while though.


Thank you.
@
Carbonyl
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States334 Posts
June 03 2013 05:57 GMT
#9347
On June 03 2013 14:07 sqrt wrote:
Why don't we see Naga Siren is pro games anymore?

VP have been running naga a lot.
It takes quite a long time of playing and watching a video game before you realize how bad at it you really are.
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
June 03 2013 07:01 GMT
#9348
On June 03 2013 14:11 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 14:07 sqrt wrote:
Why don't we see Naga Siren is pro games anymore?


Naga was nerfed in the last major patch. Less base damage and longer CD. We still do see it once in a while though.

Her cast animation was also nerfed.
Road to 6sange
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
June 03 2013 08:10 GMT
#9349
Um so a question, how do I beat bane 1v1? I got a pretty farmed up gyro and wanted to grab an easy kill but somehow I was locked and I couldn't do anything but just stare and die
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
June 03 2013 08:46 GMT
#9350
?
How can he kill you 1v1 if you are farmed?

Or you mean you are disabled until all the enemies arrived to send you off?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 03 2013 08:55 GMT
#9351
On June 03 2013 17:10 LSB wrote:
Um so a question, how do I beat bane 1v1? I got a pretty farmed up gyro and wanted to grab an easy kill but somehow I was locked and I couldn't do anything but just stare and die

You should be able to tank his ulti just fine if you are farmed. Other than that, never engage him without support if he has friends nearby, there's no way to break his ulti when caught in it and his friends will destroy you.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
June 03 2013 09:01 GMT
#9352
It's a pub, the bane was probably equally farmed (aghs maybe) and the gyro didnt have any hp items. Lvl3 grip with aghs + 2 brain saps = 2k damage after reduction. Gyro only has 1600 hp naturally at level 25. Short answer, get some hp. Better answer, don't 1v1 even a semi-farmed bane.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 03 2013 09:46 GMT
#9353
On June 03 2013 14:07 sqrt wrote:
Why don't we see Naga Siren is pro games anymore?

and most importantly vacuum doesnt work in the song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Peleus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia420 Posts
June 03 2013 10:32 GMT
#9354
As a new player to Dota2, should I play random hero's to learn, or learn a single hero really well?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2013 10:51 GMT
#9355
random. knowing each hero is essential in how to play WITH them and play AGAINST them. (there's more but i cant remember )
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FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
June 03 2013 11:04 GMT
#9356
On June 03 2013 19:51 icystorage wrote:
random. knowing each hero is essential in how to play WITH them and play AGAINST them. (there's more but i cant remember )


I disagree. I would focus on 2-3 heroes and learn those in depth. You will learn other heroes well enough to know what they do as you have them as allies and enemies. The benefit of not having to constantly learn how to play new heroes is that you get to learn other things instead, like juking/stacking/pulling/last hitting as well as a general game understanding, all of which can be applied to every other hero.
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 03 2013 11:14 GMT
#9357
On June 03 2013 20:04 FreeZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 19:51 icystorage wrote:
random. knowing each hero is essential in how to play WITH them and play AGAINST them. (there's more but i cant remember )


I disagree. I would focus on 2-3 heroes and learn those in depth. You will learn other heroes well enough to know what they do as you have them as allies and enemies. The benefit of not having to constantly learn how to play new heroes is that you get to learn other things instead, like juking/stacking/pulling/last hitting as well as a general game understanding, all of which can be applied to every other hero.

Disagreed. All the things you said you have to learn regardless of how many heroes you play, but at the same time, some of those things matter little in low level. In low MMR, it doesn't matter if your 2-3 heroes are support heroes, you're not going to be stacking and pulling much anyway. One could also make the case that having a good idea of what each hero does is more beneficial than learning more indepth about general gameplay mechanics. For example, you will be forced to learn how to last hit regardless of what hero you play, focusing on one or two carries might give you time to learn more about creep equilibrium, when to push and such aspects, but knowing all heroes seems far more important to me.

It's not like you can even pick what heroes you want to focus on before trying them all, so make sure to not waste your newbie time and play them all. If you focus on 1-3 heroes, you might get higher MMR quicker, which will make it all the more painful when you lose over and over trying new heroes. Better to random heroes when you're in bronze tier instead since it will be a more equal playing field.
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
June 03 2013 11:29 GMT
#9358
you might get higher MMR quicker, which will make it all the more painful when you lose over and over trying new heroes.


My point is that you will learn other heroes even if you don't play them. Hell, I'm at 600 games and I've played pudge once a long time ago, and I know exactly how that hero works in and out. Granted I might not be able to land perfect hooks all the time but I don't find that crucial to my overall Dota 2 skill.

Also getting to higher MMR quicker is a good thing imo, as you learn more by playing with and against better players.
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 03 2013 11:54 GMT
#9359
On June 03 2013 20:29 FreeZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
you might get higher MMR quicker, which will make it all the more painful when you lose over and over trying new heroes.


My point is that you will learn other heroes even if you don't play them. Hell, I'm at 600 games and I've played pudge once a long time ago, and I know exactly how that hero works in and out. Granted I might not be able to land perfect hooks all the time but I don't find that crucial to my overall Dota 2 skill.

Also getting to higher MMR quicker is a good thing imo, as you learn more by playing with and against better players.

You learn far more and far quicker by playing a hero. Seeing pudge play, you might understand how his hook and rot works, hell, you might even realize how to do his combo... but that doesn't give you any real feel for him. You don't know how his item progression works, at what point in the game he feels powerful, how to shut him down in lane... all of this you learn extremely fast by playing him a few times and experiencing how he is to play.

Empathy is important in Dota. You could just play Shadow Fiend every single game mid and then cry at your teammates when they lose their lanes... or you can play those other heroes in those other lanes, so you can understand their situation in the future, and know that there's stuff you can do to help them.

One of the awesome aspects of dota compared to Lol is that you have access to all heroes... abuse this fact.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 03 2013 12:09 GMT
#9360
"It depends". Some people learn faster when focusing on single aspects, some enjoy getting the broad picture. Personally I only played 2-3 heroes until I felt like I had some rough basics down (shit like items, courier, not dieing to bloodseeker ult) I started randoming and trading/repicking the super weird heroes.

Do what you think is more fun to you. =)
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
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