EPTOn January 08 2013 06:14 Scaramanga wrote:
How does the block chance stack when going poor mans shield > vanguard?
How does the block chance stack when going poor mans shield > vanguard?
Vanguard overrides PMS when it procs, otherwise, PMS.
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TheYango
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Vanguard overrides PMS when it procs, otherwise, PMS. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:14 Scaramanga wrote: How does the block chance stack when going poor mans shield > vanguard? Since no one answered your question, I'll give it a go. This is what I know. I may not be fully accurate; I'm no authority. Some people say that they don't stack. Some people say that they do. They're both kind of right. What is meant by, "they don't stack," is that 60% chance to block 20 dmg (PMS) and 60% chance to block 40 dmg (VG) does not equal 60% chance to block 60 dmg. However, they do stack in the sense that they both help. 60% chance to block 20 dmg (PMS) and 60% chance to block 40 dmg (VG) equals exactly that. 60% chance for 20 PLUS 60% chance for 40. However, if the first roll blocks, there is no new roll. This limits the Vanguard's rolls, limiting the item's strength. If the first 60% roll does not block, only then would the VG roll its 60%. So, tldr, let's wrap it up: (Poor Man's Shield + Chance to block) + (Vanguard + Chance to block(remaining rolls)) = 60% chance to block 20, 24% chance to block 40. I have to assume that equipping the Vanguard last makes it roll first since that is what the BOSS guide recommends, and it would mean that you would have a 60% chance to block 40 (from the VG) and then the additional 24% chance to block 20, which is better. So that makes sense to me. edit: LOL at Yango saying what I did in 8 words. Poop on ya. | ||
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ungust
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Bosu
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Jugg is an powerful pushing hero with just 1 point in ward and it comes in useful for other situations as well. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 09 2013 04:32 Bosu wrote: I think you need to get 1 point in ward way earlier. Like level 4. Jugg is an powerful pushing hero with just 1 point in ward and it comes in useful for other situations as well. How early you get ward depends on your item choice--there is no point in getting a point in Ward if your mana can't support it yet. His skill order is fine with the build he chose. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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I personally love 3 blade 2 stats before ulti; you're generally not autoattacking enemy heroes and the stats allow you to live longer, last hit better, and do the bladefury + omnislash combo. . | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 09 2013 03:17 PizzaParty wrote: Interesting video but I did not make it to the end because of the extremely annoying and unfunny EMT-like yelling. Lol, dude, you gotta be kidding. Everyone I've seen watch one of his guides loves 'em. I just can't imagine someone that plays dota would find it annoying and "unfunny." | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 09 2013 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote: you don't have the mana to support ward at level 4 unless you're going for a pushing strat and someone has basi/CM aura/arcanes (and chances are very very strong someone won't get arcanes for a while) I personally love 3 blade 2 stats before ulti; you're generally not autoattacking enemy heroes and the stats allow you to live longer, last hit better, and do the bladefury + omnislash combo. . Well, maybe, but I think you kind of missed the reason his point didn't make sense. He was saying that there is no reason to 6-pool someone because you can get another drone and 7-pool and that makes things better. 7-pool isn't better; it's different. They both have their times and places. Getting a lvl of ward on jugg early, say, lvl 4, isn't better, it's different. It can be made to be better in certain scenarios, but inherently, with every balanced game, that will make it worse in other scenarios. So, it is really rather pointless to say someone else's build, or the way they play a hero, is wrong, and that they should change it, based on your preferences. Silly, right? He even states that there are other ways to play the hero and that adapting is crucial at high level play... However, this build is hands down the best and the only true way to play Juggernaut... LIKE A BAWS© | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
btw crit at lvl 2  try it. with 3 branch and 1 in stats at lvl 4 you can still cast ult and spin at lvl 6. the early crit is trolololol at harassing. | ||
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Unleashing
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On January 09 2013 08:27 danl9rm wrote: Lol, dude, you gotta be kidding. Everyone I've seen watch one of his guides loves 'em. I just can't imagine someone that plays dota would find it annoying and "unfunny." Looks up subjectivity. It'll do you a lot of good. If you can't imagine that someone that plays dota could find it both annoying and unfunny, then you need to widen your horizons. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On January 09 2013 19:01 Unleashing wrote: Looks up subjectivity. It'll do you a lot of good. If you can't imagine that someone that plays dota could find it both annoying and unfunny, then you need to widen your horizons. Look up "pain in the butt." I was merely saying that "I" couldn't imagine someone finding it "annoying and 'unfunny.'" He even says "extremely" so. That's a bit crazy to me. If I can't imagine it, then I can't! But, alas, it's only a figure of speech. I certainly can. However, "extremely annoying and unfunny" is still silly to me no matter how I look at it. I've never been so offended at someone's ridiculous humor (I hate 3-stooges, for instance) that I was extremely annoyed, lol. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On January 09 2013 04:32 Bosu wrote: I think you need to get 1 point in ward way earlier. Like level 4. Jugg is an powerful pushing hero with just 1 point in ward and it comes in useful for other situations as well. These BOSS guides are primarily aimed at lower-level/new players in pub games, not so much higher tier play. Players that are new to the game or at lower-tier play and need to watch a guide on jugg are not going to be playing any serious-mode push-strat lineups with lesh chen, etc.. So its really unnecessary to mention, and would just confuse new players. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On January 09 2013 08:34 danl9rm wrote: Well, maybe, but I think you kind of missed the reason his point didn't make sense. He was saying that there is no reason to 6-pool someone because you can get another drone and 7-pool and that makes things better. 7-pool isn't better; it's different. They both have their times and places. Getting a lvl of ward on jugg early, say, lvl 4, isn't better, it's different. It can be made to be better in certain scenarios, but inherently, with every balanced game, that will make it worse in other scenarios. So, it is really rather pointless to say someone else's build, or the way they play a hero, is wrong, and that they should change it, based on your preferences. Silly, right? He even states that there are other ways to play the hero and that adapting is crucial at high level play... However, this build is hands down the best and the only true way to play Juggernaut... LIKE A BAWS© I don't think anything I said is contrary to the idea that getting ward at level 4 is pretty exclusive to pushing strategies. I never said skipping ward at 4 is "better", I said it's situational. That's exactly the same as what you said, except in different words. | ||
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