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On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ?
You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents
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On August 08 2017 06:03 Firebolt145 wrote:
Man you guys get depressed really easily considering they still are in the tournament
the bad thing is IG gave the blue print how to beat liquid..just deny pick or ban earth shaker..man super disappointed we won every tournament coming in just to look lost on mainstage.. yup liquid had 0 synergy that series man Liquid are Choking again
man really everybody had high hopes then we played so bad at the mainstage.. did you guys even watch it. saying that smoke gank was unlucky Q(disruptor) was basically in the trees behind sven to save his ass.. liquid got outplayed and outskilled.. xxs raped
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On August 08 2017 06:03 Firebolt145 wrote:
Man you guys get depressed really easily considering they still are in the tournament
Yeah they are, but at this point i am not so sure about their mental strength. We will see, lets just hope for the best...
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Well this was pretty sad to watch, but c'mon with all the negativity, not deserved.
Lots of stuff went wrong today and the boys were still 'kinda' able to put up a fight, I still belive in LB run.
I wouldnt really blame MC, he had more of a bad luck than bad execution. Miracle had a hard day off and it showed but imo the biggest reason of the UB relegation was Kuro next leveling himself in draft (©). Just dont overthink stuff so hard and youll be fine!
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On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents
you should watch more games, they dont always pick what you say they pick
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Bad day. Frustratic 4 hours. Lots to fix. Draft to your strength. Good luck in the lower bracket. They want to win TI. They have to win every series anyway so let's do it or go home
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dont worry TL, keep your spirit, keep calm, find solution, just solid, i believe you all TL
if you fail to win TI7, I will be verry nice,
#RESPECT
#GLTL
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It's more than likely that I will no longer win the bracket contest, but damn keep the fight liquid! This is our year!
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On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents
Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck.
They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup.
That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game.
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On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game.
What happened to Kuro. For the last couple months he owned almost every draft. Even the group stage went really well drafting wise.
Then TI mainstage starts and suddenly Kuro is getting owned in the drafts.
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On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game.
Did u watch MvP last year ? Do you understand what i mean by saying they draft a hard to execute lineup ? did u watch game 2 of the series ? did u ever try to understand the drafts Kuro is making 2/3 of the time ? Captain Hindsight ......
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this is brutal
Still have EG if we beat Secret now
TOP8 max like 60:40 odds I'd say now
Still good placement awesome to have Liquid the favourites again
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On August 08 2017 08:31 LemOn wrote:
this is brutal
Still have EG if we beat Secret now
TOP8 max like 60:40 odds I'd say now
Still good placement awesome to have Liquid the favourites again
EG is not the hard part in the road to the Aegis.
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On August 08 2017 08:38 kun3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 08:31 LemOn wrote:
this is brutal
Still have EG if we beat Secret now
TOP8 max like 60:40 odds I'd say now
Still good placement awesome to have Liquid the favourites again EG is not the hard part in the road to the Aegis.
The real hard part is the amount of games you play and how many different teams you need to adept to in the lower bracket;)
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On August 08 2017 08:12 Nakama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game. Did u watch MvP last year ? Do you understand what i mean by saying they draft a hard to execute lineup ? did u watch game 2 of the series ? did u ever try to understand the drafts Kuro is making 2/3 of the time ? Captain Hindsight ......
You're pretending a bad draft is the same as a hard to execute draft. A hard to execute lineup is better than the opposing team's lineup if you can execute it at the required level. A bad lineup requires you to outplay your opponent to get even. They won game 2 because their 5 position AA only had to hit Ice Blast to turn all of the Alchemists' net worth into paper and because of the great synergy between kotl/ bristle. Aside from the Monkey King that draft made sense. The drafts in game 1 and 3 didn't make sense allowing Liquid to lose to a worse team.
Also I posted these concerns in this thread as the drafts were going so the captain hindsight comment really doesn't make much sense.
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On August 08 2017 08:59 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 08:12 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game. Did u watch MvP last year ? Do you understand what i mean by saying they draft a hard to execute lineup ? did u watch game 2 of the series ? did u ever try to understand the drafts Kuro is making 2/3 of the time ? Captain Hindsight ...... You're pretending a bad draft is the same as a hard to execute draft. A hard to execute lineup is better than the opposing team's lineup if you can execute it at the required level. A bad lineup requires you to outplay your opponent to get even. They won game 2 because their 5 position AA only had to hit Ice Blast to turn all of the Alchemists' net worth into paper and because of the great synergy between kotl/ bristle. Aside from the Monkey King that draft made sense. The drafts in game 1 and 3 didn't make sense allowing Liquid to lose to a worse team. Also I posted these concerns in this thread as the drafts were going so the captain hindsight comment really doesn't make much sense.
i dont even know what to answer anymore..... u truly are Captain Hindsight.... TL loses ( bad draft) TL wins ( hard to execute draft)...you see the pattern yourself dont ya ?
Edit: Another hint for you: Do u rly think Kuro or the whole Team drafts a lineup they dont believe in ? the only game close to an outdraft was game one and thats it but overall bad teamplay lost them the games compared with weired or hard to execute picks but Dota is way too complex to pinpoint a loss on one such a thing .
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On August 08 2017 09:26 Nakama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 08:59 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 08:12 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game. Did u watch MvP last year ? Do you understand what i mean by saying they draft a hard to execute lineup ? did u watch game 2 of the series ? did u ever try to understand the drafts Kuro is making 2/3 of the time ? Captain Hindsight ...... You're pretending a bad draft is the same as a hard to execute draft. A hard to execute lineup is better than the opposing team's lineup if you can execute it at the required level. A bad lineup requires you to outplay your opponent to get even. They won game 2 because their 5 position AA only had to hit Ice Blast to turn all of the Alchemists' net worth into paper and because of the great synergy between kotl/ bristle. Aside from the Monkey King that draft made sense. The drafts in game 1 and 3 didn't make sense allowing Liquid to lose to a worse team. Also I posted these concerns in this thread as the drafts were going so the captain hindsight comment really doesn't make much sense. i dont even know what to answer anymore..... u truly are Captain Hindsight.... TL loses ( bad draft) TL wins ( hard to execute draft)...you see the pattern yourself dont ya ? Edit: Another hint for you: Do u rly think Kuro or the whole Team drafts a lineup they dont believe in ? the only game close to an outdraft was game one and thats it but overall bad teamplay lost them the games compared with weired or hard to execute picks but Dota is way too complex to pinpoint a loss on one such thing .
The only pattern I see is that you're a bit dense. It seems you can't tell the difference between bad play and looking bad because your heroes don't matchup well versus the opponents' heroes. If you want to pretend that first pick AA into Void and 3 melee heroes is a good response to an Earthshaker first pick then we have nothing further to discuss.
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On August 08 2017 09:47 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 09:26 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 08:59 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 08:12 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game. Did u watch MvP last year ? Do you understand what i mean by saying they draft a hard to execute lineup ? did u watch game 2 of the series ? did u ever try to understand the drafts Kuro is making 2/3 of the time ? Captain Hindsight ...... You're pretending a bad draft is the same as a hard to execute draft. A hard to execute lineup is better than the opposing team's lineup if you can execute it at the required level. A bad lineup requires you to outplay your opponent to get even. They won game 2 because their 5 position AA only had to hit Ice Blast to turn all of the Alchemists' net worth into paper and because of the great synergy between kotl/ bristle. Aside from the Monkey King that draft made sense. The drafts in game 1 and 3 didn't make sense allowing Liquid to lose to a worse team. Also I posted these concerns in this thread as the drafts were going so the captain hindsight comment really doesn't make much sense. i dont even know what to answer anymore..... u truly are Captain Hindsight.... TL loses ( bad draft) TL wins ( hard to execute draft)...you see the pattern yourself dont ya ? Edit: Another hint for you: Do u rly think Kuro or the whole Team drafts a lineup they dont believe in ? the only game close to an outdraft was game one and thats it but overall bad teamplay lost them the games compared with weired or hard to execute picks but Dota is way too complex to pinpoint a loss on one such thing . The only pattern I see is that you're a bit dense. It seems you can't tell the difference between bad play and looking bad because your heroes don't matchup well versus the opponents' heroes. If you want to pretend that first pick AA into Void and 3 melee heroes is a good response to an Earthshaker first pick then we have nothing further to discuss. So u want to tell me kotl aa Support Duo with mk as carry is a good matchup? No u dont...u said it urself. Still they won when everything came together on the back of some sick gh plays. So where is the difference? If anything last ti should have told you is that outdraft is a very limited and artificial concept when it comes to understanding why someone lost or won a game of dota esp at this lvl of play. Heck just watch EG vs nb game 2.
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Well that game sure was not what was expected but I think that liquid will still got this. They just want to give us fans more games to watch  Go Liquid lets take TI!
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On August 08 2017 10:10 Nakama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2017 09:47 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 09:26 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 08:59 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 08:12 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 07:53 Saechiis wrote:On August 08 2017 06:04 Nakama wrote:On August 08 2017 05:50 Nikto wrote:On August 08 2017 05:49 Nakama wrote:
Sad to read all the comments in here ... and u call yourself Fans ? Wtf... IG picked such a stupidly easy lineup to execute all three games, while liquid tried their usual style of drafting. If u then have that much of bad luck like in game 3 u lose.. that´s it, no need to question their skill. and what's wrong with that, maybe Liquid should do the same for a change to win an important game as game 3, right ? You know when you draft the way liquid is doing since .. forever, single misplays or bad luck (hint: watch game 3 again ) can cost you the game especially vs a team that drafts and plays the way IG did. So as a fan of TL ( not the brand but the playstyle) the worst thing u can hope for is for them to change theri playstyle.. just my 2 cents Void in a 4 melee lineup versus a first pick Earthshaker isn't bad luck. Picking Lone Druid 4th with a Void lineup when you know the Invoker is going to get banned next isn't bad luck. They went out of their way to lastpick Miracle's hero all 3 games and the best matchup he got was mid invoker with no reliable sunstrike setups versus an assisted alch. The other games he got put safelane monkey king versus sk/ lich where they won the game despite him and safelane ember versus an earthshaker in an all disable/ burst lineup. That's just bad drafting which frustrates me way more than getting outplayed in a close game. Did u watch MvP last year ? Do you understand what i mean by saying they draft a hard to execute lineup ? did u watch game 2 of the series ? did u ever try to understand the drafts Kuro is making 2/3 of the time ? Captain Hindsight ...... You're pretending a bad draft is the same as a hard to execute draft. A hard to execute lineup is better than the opposing team's lineup if you can execute it at the required level. A bad lineup requires you to outplay your opponent to get even. They won game 2 because their 5 position AA only had to hit Ice Blast to turn all of the Alchemists' net worth into paper and because of the great synergy between kotl/ bristle. Aside from the Monkey King that draft made sense. The drafts in game 1 and 3 didn't make sense allowing Liquid to lose to a worse team. Also I posted these concerns in this thread as the drafts were going so the captain hindsight comment really doesn't make much sense. i dont even know what to answer anymore..... u truly are Captain Hindsight.... TL loses ( bad draft) TL wins ( hard to execute draft)...you see the pattern yourself dont ya ? Edit: Another hint for you: Do u rly think Kuro or the whole Team drafts a lineup they dont believe in ? the only game close to an outdraft was game one and thats it but overall bad teamplay lost them the games compared with weired or hard to execute picks but Dota is way too complex to pinpoint a loss on one such thing . The only pattern I see is that you're a bit dense. It seems you can't tell the difference between bad play and looking bad because your heroes don't matchup well versus the opponents' heroes. If you want to pretend that first pick AA into Void and 3 melee heroes is a good response to an Earthshaker first pick then we have nothing further to discuss. So u want to tell me kotl aa Support Duo with mk as carry is a good matchup? No u dont...u said it urself. Still they won when everything came together on the back of some sick gh plays. So where is the difference? If anything last ti should have told you is that outdraft is a very limited and artificial concept when it comes to understanding why someone lost or won a game of dota esp at this lvl of play. Heck just watch EG vs nb game 2.
You're trying very hard not to understand a simple concept. There's a difference between a bad draft and bad plays. you can win a game where you have the worse draft by outplaying your opponents but you almost always lose a game if you make bad plays even with a superior draft.
Also KOTL + AA support duo had their own purpose which they accomplished - KOTL for the infinite push with Bristle + Ursa frontline tanking (which is what they achieved once GH got Aghs) and the AA to counter alchemist. The Monkey king was still a shit pick but the rest of their draft had a clear objective and you could see how it came together as soon as they pushed with KOTL Aghs.
In game 3 , first phase AA+Void is a good combo but you need to partner up void with heroes that can help deal damage during the Chrono. 3 Melee heroes aren't going to do that unless you expect MC to pull out pixel perfect chrono every time he goes into a teamfight. They also lost the offlane pretty hard and XXS won his lane.
Bad Draft + Bad Plays = Liquid gets dumpstered in game 3.
I think Liquid need to go back to their group stage drafts where they picked whatever they felt was better against the enemy heroes instead of shoehorning comfort heroes and hoping to outskill the enemy team.
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