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shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
November 20 2015 12:47 GMT
#821
If CDEC doesn't get poached like crazy there isn't much of a shuffling to be had. I don't think Ehome is going to change much, because out of all the older teams they seem to be improving the most. That means NewBee, LGD, VG and IG are left to shuffle. They will have to risk new blood finally or just shift those same players around with mixed results. Also Xiao8 needs to return.

I could see a 1. Hao 2. Maybe 3. ICE3 4. FY 5.Xiao8 team doing well.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 20 2015 12:53 GMT
#822
Yeah Burning's definitely not the problem right now. I don't even think it's entirely due to mediocre drafting or shotcalling. It's been one of their weaknesses since rotk left, but they used to make up for it with superior individual play. Now they also look unpracticed. I mean icex3 played a fine timber game 2 but considering he used to be far and away the best player in the world on that hero it just wasn't the performance I'd expect out of him.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 20 2015 12:57 GMT
#823
On November 20 2015 21:47 shouldbeworking wrote:
If CDEC doesn't get poached like crazy there isn't much of a shuffling to be had. I don't think Ehome is going to change much, because out of all the older teams they seem to be improving the most. That means NewBee, LGD, VG and IG are left to shuffle. They will have to risk new blood finally or just shift those same players around with mixed results. Also Xiao8 needs to return.

I could see a 1. Hao 2. Maybe 3. ICE3 4. FY 5.Xiao8 team doing well.


Xiao8's never played 5 and even when he played 4 on LGD, he was more of a 3, being given more farm priority than Yao in most games.

I mean it's Xiao8 so who knows, maybe he can just switch positions at will, but I'm not sure 5 really suits his talents.

If we're doing dream teams, I think the team's Aggressif Maybe Xiao8 Lanm MMY. :D
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
giddo
Profile Joined August 2014
6 Posts
November 20 2015 13:22 GMT
#824
I guess its probably not a popular opinion but i still think black^ was the best fit for vicis playstyle. I feel that burning really needs support to help him be effective just like a traditional carry while vicis supports usually do lots of stuff but helping the carry doesn't seem to be high on their list of priorities. black^ might have many faults but when he played for vici he was good at farming without any help and coming to fights once he was ready. Having burning play carry with little support just seems like a waste to me. Either change the teams playstyle or change the carry.
Ultimo Hombre
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia1436 Posts
November 20 2015 13:28 GMT
#825
nah, the best fit for VG was sylar
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
November 20 2015 13:29 GMT
#826
On November 20 2015 22:22 giddo wrote:
I guess its probably not a popular opinion but i still think black^ was the best fit for vicis playstyle. I feel that burning really needs support to help him be effective just like a traditional carry while vicis supports usually do lots of stuff but helping the carry doesn't seem to be high on their list of priorities. black^ might have many faults but when he played for vici he was good at farming without any help and coming to fights once he was ready. Having burning play carry with little support just seems like a waste to me. Either change the teams playstyle or change the carry.


black needs more support besides him whole game and he does nothing but farms for 40 mins without any teamfight sense at all...there were many moments with fnatic where fnatic were losing with 4vs 5 and black was just afk farming only to throw all his farm in drain with 1 retarded play in late game .IDK which VG u wathed,but that patch was famous for late game carries and VG supports made a lot done early game .while black got free lane ...and with this iteration,they just left burning early in lane without support to farm..also,black got away with his descision making because of that patch being the late game ,but when it came to latest patch,his descision making is pretty mediocre at best.
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
November 20 2015 13:31 GMT
#827
On November 20 2015 22:28 Ultimo Hombre wrote:
nah, the best fit for VG was sylar


because rotk made him fit within the team...VG had actual captain at that time and sylar has been really irreleavant about his performance since after TI4 .(saying this as a sylar fan)...IDK what happened to the guy,but it never felt like he was playing carry after he left VG
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
November 20 2015 13:34 GMT
#828
i think VG needs a shouter like rotk to lead them. everyone's too chill/quiet
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3453 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 14:41:21
November 20 2015 13:39 GMT
#829
This was a team problem and Burning performance was obviously not the worst one.
However the 4 others vg cores feel feels stubborn enough so probably another carry shuffle is coming. Like that's gonna fix their problems but I'm not having my hope high.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
November 20 2015 13:44 GMT
#830
I should rephrase myself here, i don't mean to say that Burning was the problem but i was trying to say that the heroes given to Burning at least this few series I have watched were better played by Hao? Of course its unfair to say that especially when VG aren't even giving Burning his signature heroes and just throwing him stupid heroes based off Super, which is definitely a draft problem.

@orome having both xiao8 and lanm on the same team would cause problems because there would be clashing in captaining
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 13:46:04
November 20 2015 13:45 GMT
#831
On November 20 2015 22:22 giddo wrote:
I guess its probably not a popular opinion but i still think black^ was the best fit for vicis playstyle. I feel that burning really needs support to help him be effective just like a traditional carry while vicis supports usually do lots of stuff but helping the carry doesn't seem to be high on their list of priorities. black^ might have many faults but when he played for vici he was good at farming without any help and coming to fights once he was ready. Having burning play carry with little support just seems like a waste to me. Either change the teams playstyle or change the carry.

maybe. their team obviously worked out at that point in time but i dont think they could repeat their success. you also have to consider that while vg did well outside of china they had problems vs chinese teams and could only win one tournament vs old boys
FTD
scicurious
Profile Joined April 2012
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-25 19:38:59
November 25 2015 19:38 GMT
#832
Apparently VG will not have any roster changes.

Squad works well imo, they just need to iron out some drafting issues. But 6.86 is coming soon, so yay.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 25 2015 19:44 GMT
#833
6.86 will probably be some hard carry patch thatll make burning look decent again for a little bit then icefrog will take it away for TI6

happens every year
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 25 2015 21:42 GMT
#834
On November 20 2015 22:44 Invictus wrote:
@orome having both xiao8 and lanm on the same team would cause problems because there would be clashing in captaining


Lanm has no issues being second in command. That team is obviously never going to happen though.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
deathzz
Profile Joined September 2011
669 Posts
November 26 2015 01:04 GMT
#835
VG needs to learn more heroes and bring more pocket strats. Super needs to have some changes in playstyle thrown in.
Korean overlords
syw651
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia349 Posts
November 26 2015 02:05 GMT
#836
This could be good. They can spend more time working on their weaknesses as a squad rather than have to adjust themselves to having a new player on the team again.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
November 26 2015 12:23 GMT
#837
Again the players are all fine, because there's only so much they can do with shit drafts. Seems like fy's back to drafting, at least his drafts are not as stupid as Super's.

I wonder why zyf wants to be on Vici as a sub. Realistically he is not going to learn anything by being an understudy in that fashion. Unless he has constraints in being competitive atm, I really hope he joins a proper team.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
November 27 2015 00:55 GMT
#838
Being conservative, I'd say Zyf is a top 5 carry in China. Or at least he was when he became a sub. So yeah, still baffling that he's not playing on a top team unless he just doesn't want to.

I agree that drafts are the problem, but I don't know how you solve it because I'm pretty sure by now they must have tried everything out. Just work on game understanding? Call in a coach? IDK.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
fyky
Profile Joined November 2015
Iran3 Posts
November 27 2015 09:55 GMT
#839
with having fy on the draft seat, he will mostly pick super's hero in the first phase , the rest of the team are versitle enough to pick any hero for them and counter enemy draft.
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7080 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-07 03:24:22
December 07 2015 03:24 GMT
#840
If anyone was wondering, Zyf registered with VG.Potential for the Shanghai Major (he's listed as YANG)
http://www.dota2.com/majorsregistration/list
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