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Hai1Fyre
South Africa270 Posts
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Verrou
France193 Posts
He's just that cute. I may not root for alliance as my favourite team, but they always impressed me with their clean, near-perfect execution. Best of luck in TI4, may you have wonderful matches (then lose narrowly to my faves pretty please?) | ||
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Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
On May 22 2014 05:09 Hai1Fyre wrote: Are Alliance bootcamping at the moment? They haven't played for quite some time Read an interview with bulldog from the 15th I think, and he said they would be bootcamping soon. So it's possible they are atm. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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goody153
44236 Posts
On May 22 2014 20:16 opterown wrote: alliance are playing in WPC ACE soon, it's in less than a week. will be interesting! I want to see some sick alliance pre-TI4. For some reason I am really hoping they retain their former glory and win TI4 be the first team to win 2 consecutive internationals for some reason. And i want the grand finals to be na'vi vs alliance again just to immortalize the arguably most hyped dota 2 rivalry of all-time. | ||
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Moustache Cash Stash
United States222 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Also, drafts/meta etc have changed. Alliance's bread and butter drafts revolved around a farming offlaner who would spend LONG periods of time recovery-farming while a space-creating mid made sure he could. The changes to the offlane mean that it is now more optimal for teams to run their space creator in the offlane and put a farming role mid, virtually swapping the two roles. Alliance don't seem to have figured out how to align their playstyle to the changes as of yet. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
Last year the case was from what i noticed. If s4 space created the other team is usually screwed but if s4 was shut down they had bulldog to back them up. Alliance right now is pretty weird since when s4 gets shut down they normally lose. I think it's just the drafting and playstyle problem. Since the playstyle they are best known of got heavily nerfed they can't seem to pull off the same as last year. And drafting last year pre-TI3 and TI3 they always have that bulldog advantage from drafting. And nowadays their draft seems kinda far fetched at times. Not that their teamwork or anything fails they are still top notch in terms of that but they are having questionable draft most of the time. Idk just my observation though. | ||
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Moustache Cash Stash
United States222 Posts
On May 23 2014 03:03 goody153 wrote: My best guess would be that alliance has drafting problem and as Sno_Man said they are not getting along with the meta-game fast enough. Last year the case was from what i noticed. If s4 space created the other team is usually screwed but if s4 was shut down they had bulldog to back them up. Alliance right now is pretty weird since when s4 gets shut down they normally lose. I think it's just the drafting and playstyle problem. Since the playstyle they are best known of got heavily nerfed they can't seem to pull off the same as last year. And drafting last year pre-TI3 and TI3 they always have that bulldog advantage from drafting. And nowadays their draft seems kinda far fetched at times. Not that their teamwork or anything fails they are still top notch in terms of that but they are having questionable draft most of the time. Idk just my observation though. Yeah, I've noticed this. It seemed like their drafts were stronger and had that one hero that you knew they would win with (Bulldog Prophet, S4 Mag, Akke Chen, etc.) but they don't seem to have that magic anymore. And yeah, the drafts just don't seem as strong as other teams and they don't go outside the box much and make it work, like carry Jakiro. Sometimes its seems they pick heroes because they are strong in the meta game, not because Alliance wants to play them. | ||
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iv~nk~j
1140 Posts
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Yurie
11974 Posts
On May 23 2014 04:24 iv~nk~j wrote: not trying out unorthodox stuff is not alliance's problem, they have experimented plenty enough with picks like huskar and carry silencer The also ran Riki and PA when nobody else did, both being buffed since then. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On May 23 2014 06:17 Yurie wrote: The also ran Riki and PA when nobody else did, both being buffed since then. I know the PA game. Loda is a weird carry runs a lot of carry heroes pretty damn well. I remember him as the only who can run 1 position mirana so good that even vs other top tier teams cementing it as a legit tier 1 carry. I am curious with the riki game. Can someone give the link ? i have seen riki carry but not under alliance | ||
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ToastedBagel
Canada91 Posts
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goody153
44236 Posts
On May 23 2014 07:22 ToastedBagel wrote: Also, carry razor recently. And they won. no carry razor is normal .. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On May 23 2014 02:55 Sn0_Man wrote: There are a lot of things in play. For one thing, the professional scene continues to improve at a pace that most viewers really don't get. The efficiency of the competition has improved a lot as they study Alliance, and Alliance hasn't managed to improve faster. Also, drafts/meta etc have changed. Alliance's bread and butter drafts revolved around a farming offlaner who would spend LONG periods of time recovery-farming while a space-creating mid made sure he could. The changes to the offlane mean that it is now more optimal for teams to run their space creator in the offlane and put a farming role mid, virtually swapping the two roles. Alliance don't seem to have figured out how to align their playstyle to the changes as of yet. but which role needs to adjust ? is it the all team ? i saw a stat on S4 where he went 11-0 (games) on SF (did see him lose 1 after that) , and they went Naga mid (when they pick her up) also he had some wicked Tinker games a while back . also i saw a lot of games in CN qualifiers going the distance 50+ easily every other game , if its really a meta shift and not just CN thing , it can help [A] i believe as i always admired their late game | ||
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ToastedBagel
Canada91 Posts
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Yurie
11974 Posts
On May 23 2014 06:56 goody153 wrote: I know the PA game. Loda is a weird carry runs a lot of carry heroes pretty damn well. I remember him as the only who can run 1 position mirana so good that even vs other top tier teams cementing it as a legit tier 1 carry. I am curious with the riki game. Can someone give the link ? i have seen riki carry but not under alliance http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=341039560 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=307604411 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=214691897 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=212510421 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=210793751 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=162634849 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=159359627 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=153564346 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=147604719 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=146099058 http://www.datdota.com/match.php?q=131924963 Etc. | ||
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Yurie
11974 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
a few random highlights | ||
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