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Charlie Sheens House51466 Posts
OMG
This is actually amazing, i would never had thought EG could get any better, but this squad. OMG i cannot wait!
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WoWzErS!
"When you expect demon and mason and get s4 and fly" best facebook comment lol
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Lol what the fuck that came out of nowhere
Notail and Fly splitting up... it kinda feels wrong in a way but maybe it's for the best. This means OG is basically dead though for at least this TI. I'm not even sure who they'd even consider adding. Maybe topsen, khezu, idk. [edit] I guess misery could also be a fit given the EG/OG shuffle
The new EG roster though is interesting. You get elements of old Team Secret (rtz/s4/fly) and old OG (cr1t/fly). I'm not sure how well Fly can get command of this team but on paper it looks really solid. I think s4 especially is a good compliment to sumail/rtz and makes their tricore as scary as when uni was playing, maybe even more so.
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who is going to supermajor now
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Charlie Sheens House51466 Posts
Fnatic replacing OG, but EG still going
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France7248 Posts
On May 29 2018 02:28 Spicy_Curry wrote:
who is going to supermajor now
EG is going
OG isn't
OG replacement is unknown yet
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Lalalaland34486 Posts
This team should be good
I feel really bad for notail and jerax though
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U had my hopes up there for a second
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So this pretty much confirms that Sumail is going back to mid (assuming S4 remains offlane), which is a good thing imo because this meta favors his play style. Good luck to them!
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Wow, a new challenger has appeared!
But too many previous TI winners and they're not even Chinese, I'm not betting on this team to win TI.
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On May 29 2018 02:39 Firebolt145 wrote:
This team should be good
I feel really bad for notail and jerax though
Jerax should have no problem finding a team. 4 position players like him are always in high demand.
I do worry about Notail though.
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from Redbull to Monster Energy
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This is about the spiciest move I think they could make. I dig it, lets see what they got.
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On May 29 2018 02:52 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 02:39 Firebolt145 wrote:
This team should be good
I feel really bad for notail and jerax though Jerax should have no problem finding a team. 4 position players like him are always in high demand.I do worry about Notail though.
in general, yeah. But in time for this TI? Not sure about that
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On May 29 2018 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 02:52 Xurr wrote:On May 29 2018 02:39 Firebolt145 wrote:
This team should be good
I feel really bad for notail and jerax though Jerax should have no problem finding a team. 4 position players like him are always in high demand.I do worry about Notail though. in general, yeah. But in time for this TI? Not sure about that
For this TI probably not sadly, will be some 5 reject NA style team that disbands 2 days after failing to go through open qualifiers.
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The news just keep on coming. Overall such a drastic roster change could motivate everyone from the old EG roster. I'm really interested how 3 calm dudes play with sumail and rtz. Fly certainly has a "strong aura" that could keep sumail in his place  And both Fly and s4 certainly should have the necessary respect for a working EG.
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I was actually hoping for rtz to OG but hey this is as close to that I guess
Let's see if they don't experience the same problem as previous eg
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
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back to EU team, EU EU EU EU EU!!!
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Not what I was expecting at all. I’m not incredibly optimistic honestly, Fly’s value as a player seems directly tied to whether or not Dazzle and WW are top tier picks.
Actually Dazzle did get a bunch of buffs so maybe...
S4 is always good, as long as him and Arteezy don’t butt heads he will be an upgrade.
Now what becomes of the rest of OG? Obviously 7mad will not be playing anywhere but I wouldn’t be surprised if n0tail and Jerax fade away too
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interesting desperation move, both teams had no chance of winning TI, now they have on paper a roster.
I am still sceptic, i dont think they will do well again till sumail stops beeing a toxic diva.
Kicking misery was the right thing.
Lets see what the future bings, if they rang bad at TI it will be a insta disband.
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Is ppd & crew going to China to see if they can knock out VGJ.T?
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On May 29 2018 02:20 Pandemona wrote:
OMG
This is actually amazing, i would never had thought EG could get any better, but this squad. OMG i cannot wait!
This squad is really surprising. I know the s4->EG has been a talking point, but I'm really surprised Fly went. Fly & Notail splitting up seems really surprising, but maybe they talked it out and realize the season was kind of a loss at this point.
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the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though
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On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though
OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic
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This team should be good on paper yeah. Same could be said about rtz and universe Secret. Lets wait and see;)
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Im going to be real pessimistic here, and say I think this is going nowhere. They should have taken risks, try out something new with much hungrier unaccomplished players.
It´s just like when Secret tried that superstar team, it aint working
BUT, I'm hoping things go well, best of luck to new EG! (But please don't beat LGD and TNC at TI)
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Damn, that's probably one of the best moves EG could do.
Nice job, I hope it will work well.
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JerAx left Liquid for OG, now Liquid is TI Champion and OG is dead. That irony.
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On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic
from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from being EU,
considering:
they based the first 3 from NOT cn DPC
then they invited 3 from cn DPC(the remaining teams are cn anyway)
then
they based the last 4 invites on regions which are NOT cn
they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG
the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment
idk though
things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions
which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi
when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period
if anything SA (deservingly-should-be-ignored) over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites
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On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites
At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence.
Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney.
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What I don't understand is, people were asking for NaVi to not be allowed to play ESL because of one change to its roster, but so far I haven't seen any comment of EG and the Supermajor. This community is quite weird.
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On May 29 2018 05:06 Racket wrote:
What I don't understand is, people were asking for NaVi to not be allowed to play ESL because of one change to its roster, but so far I haven't seen any comment of EG and the Supermajor. This community is quite weird.
Oh no, what happened is that Na'vi didn't deserve their invite because it was based on the dpc points from a player they acquired
EG and Na'vi being invited to Supermajor is awful and got a lot of criticism
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On May 29 2018 05:06 Racket wrote:
What I don't understand is, people were asking for NaVi to not be allowed to play ESL because of one change to its roster, but so far I haven't seen any comment of EG and the Supermajor. This community is quite weird.
EG has actually become a very good team on paper with multiple previous TI & major winners in their roster. Na'vi brought in 1 players who was completely unaccomplished and Li'l who is not a crowd favourite. I guess this is why people are ok with EG as they are expected to be among the top contenders for the supermajor top 4 at least on paper.
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On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney.
at the time of before and after epicenter:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/
if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized)
then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG),
i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG
so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU.
therefore i think its no coincidence
they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)?
isit not?
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On May 29 2018 03:27 calippo wrote:
back to EU team, EU EU EU EU EU!!!
Isn't Fly Canadian?
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Could be strong. S4 is probably the best position 3 player alongside Sumail and RTZ possible, I still think it's a weak duo though. They have a seasoned captain that doesn't want to play 4, so that should help as well.
How hungry they are is another question though, I see low chances for TI for a multitude of reasons. But they could become a strong team nevertheless.
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This is easily the strongest EG line up of all time but i felt like they're still going to fail
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On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not?
The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know.
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On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know.
uhh.
i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order
the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter
therefore by region, Navi is above FTM
(the invite was announced mid epicenter)
and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic
fnatic position also did not change during DAC
so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC
or pure DPC, or pure Region,
if they went for dpc as you said, then
they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA,
but if they originally went for region,
then they did no such thing / were not influenced
therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1)
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Unbelievable!!! I wouldn't have thought this turn. I mean, s4 - yes, it was a possibility; but FLY - the heart (and the brain) of OG????
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On May 29 2018 05:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:Isn't Fly Canadian?
yes he is  but it's understandable most people think he just came from Israel.
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This looks strong, but i am not convinced.
There is something with RTZ and Envy teams, that always goes short. Maybe RTZ and Sumail grew enough to be worthy teamates.
An extra awesome team is always good to have, lets hope they can make it work.
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On May 29 2018 05:11 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:06 Racket wrote:
What I don't understand is, people were asking for NaVi to not be allowed to play ESL because of one change to its roster, but so far I haven't seen any comment of EG and the Supermajor. This community is quite weird. Oh no, what happened is that Na'vi didn't deserve their invite because it was based on the dpc points from a player they acquired EG and Na'vi being invited to Supermajor is awful and got a lot of criticism
No. It wasn't like that. A lot of comments not here specifically but reddit for instance, asked for NaVi to be replaced at ESL as they changed its roster. Maybe tomorrow I will find one like that about EG, but none so far.
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On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1)
Iirc Fnatic was behind OG before Dreamleague. Anyway, this hardly matters now as the teams won't change.
Regarding EG roster, the player I noticed for bad play in the last month has been Sumail. He overextended and fed uselessly a lot in the offlane, and seemed very cocky in his playstyle specially against weaker teams that got him punished many times. I don't really like the mindset Sumail seems to have nowadays. Let's see how it works with him going mid, but if he still dives & dies it will be a lot costlier for the team now.
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On May 29 2018 05:11 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:06 Racket wrote:
What I don't understand is, people were asking for NaVi to not be allowed to play ESL because of one change to its roster, but so far I haven't seen any comment of EG and the Supermajor. This community is quite weird. EG has actually become a very good team on paper with multiple previous TI & major winners in their roster. Na'vi brought in 1 players who was completely unaccomplished and Li'l who is not a crowd favourite. I guess this is why people are ok with EG as they are expected to be among the top contenders for the supermajor top 4 at least on paper.
I don't think it has anything to do with being competitive, I feel it is just NaVi hate.
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On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1)
Invites were decided roughly early March, before Dreamleague. Dreamleague was the first time Fnatic passed OG in points, and the invited teams were literally the top 10 of the DPC pre-Dreamleague.
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admiral bulldog on life support
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On May 29 2018 05:34 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1) Iirc Fnatic was behind OG before Dreamleague. Anyway, this hardly matters now as the teams won't change. Regarding EG roster, the player I noticed for bad play in the last month has been Sumail. He overextended and fed uselessly a lot in the offlane, and seemed very cocky in his playstyle specially against weaker teams that got him punished many times. I don't really like the mindset Sumail seems to have nowadays. Let's see how it works with him going mid, but if he still dives & dies it will be a lot costlier for the team now.
yup, i guess it hardly matters
but fnatic gained 90x3 on dreamleague? so i think they were still above OG at 682 if the reddit post was correct, not sure though
its just annoying sometimes to see some on twitch chat accusing this and that without realizing they are the ones being outright wrong,biased, or unjust
most TO's r probably conscious of being neutral
(in certain tournaments they even waive inviting +1 local team)
but yaknow, online ppl.
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On May 29 2018 05:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1) Invites were decided roughly early March, before Dreamleague. Dreamleague was the first time Fnatic passed OG in points, and the invited teams were literally the top 10 of the DPC pre-Dreamleague.
but theres something im unsure of
they attended Dreamleague with Universe
official news of Universe joining came out Jan 13, 2018
dreamleague was at March 21, 2018
therefore doesnt it mean
they already had more DPC than OG before dreamleague
by the time Universe joined
so the reddit post referring to fnatic in dreamleague was using an out of date fnatic roster
(i dont know man, maybe ur right)
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On May 29 2018 06:03 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1) Invites were decided roughly early March, before Dreamleague. Dreamleague was the first time Fnatic passed OG in points, and the invited teams were literally the top 10 of the DPC pre-Dreamleague. but theres a catch they attended Dreamleague with Universe official news of Universe joining came out Jan 13, 2018 dreamleague was at March 21, 2018 therefore infact they already had more DPC than OG before dreamleague by the time Universe joined so the reddit post referring to fnatic in dreamleague was using an out of date fnatic roster (i think?) therefore top10 DPC supposed to be Fnatic there, instead of OG
Er, no?  Dota Pro Circuit/Rankings/Players
630 > 614. Easy maths.
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On May 29 2018 06:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 06:03 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:On May 29 2018 03:52 550 wrote:
the normal route for replacement
would be some team from the same region as OG
but is there any decent EU team left? that would be the correct standard though OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1) Invites were decided roughly early March, before Dreamleague. Dreamleague was the first time Fnatic passed OG in points, and the invited teams were literally the top 10 of the DPC pre-Dreamleague. but theres a catch they attended Dreamleague with Universe official news of Universe joining came out Jan 13, 2018 dreamleague was at March 21, 2018 therefore infact they already had more DPC than OG before dreamleague by the time Universe joined so the reddit post referring to fnatic in dreamleague was using an out of date fnatic roster (i think?) therefore top10 DPC supposed to be Fnatic there, instead of OG Er, no? Dota Pro Circuit/Rankings/Players630 > 614. Easy maths.
ok.
maybe you are correct
though
news came out 17 Apr 2018 by Supermajor regarding invites
at that time Fnatic seems to be above OG
680 > 630
idk true maybe they decided/referred before the announcement
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On May 29 2018 06:19 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 06:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 29 2018 06:03 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 29 2018 05:21 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:15 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:12 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 05:05 arghyad1 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:52 550 wrote:On May 29 2018 04:04 spudde123 wrote:
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OG wasn't really an EU invite. They got invited because they were in the top10 in the DPC at the time of the invites. Based on that I would assume they will ask Optic first and then Fnatic from the surface it does look like OG got theirs from EU standpoint, considering: they based the first 3 from non CN DPC then they invited 3 from CN DPC(the remaining teams are CN anyway) then they based the last 4 invites on regions which are non CN they invited EG over optic due to that time Optic havent won their first event yet, thus making it weird to place optic above EG the rest of CIS SEA EU was also number1 team on their respective region at that moment idk though things to consider probably Visa status / Votes / Regions which confuses me when people (ppd especially), called them out on inviting EG n Navi when he's supposed to know what they were based on, at that period if anything SA (as they should) deservingly ignored over EU n CIS being considered two regions for the last 4 invites At the time the qualifiers were sent out the invited teams were the top 10 teams DPC point wise. Your break-up analysis is just a coincidence. Hoping 1 top team like LGD, VP or Liquid also pulls out to take rest before TI and both Fnatic & Optic play in Supermajor. They are the next 2 DPC teams on the table that are not in the tourney. at the time of before and after epicenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8hh403/dpc_ranking_epicenter_xl_5th_may_2018/if it was going from Top-Btm of DPC (non cn team prioritized) then it should be both MINESKI and Fnatic (being higher than OG), i think the TO-s would want not to be judged for inviting two SEA teams, therefore they went for OG so i think it is because Fnatic was SEA, therefore they went to EU. therefore i think its no coincidence they went for 1 SEA NA EU CIS (non cn)? isit not? The invites were actually decided long before that (actually sometime before DAC). These organisers don't decide & send out invites on the same day you know. uhh. i think the significant portion of the standings remain the same before and after epicenter have always been in that order the hypothesis here is that it referred to standings BEFORE epicenter therefore by region, Navi is above FTM (the invite was announced mid epicenter) and in no circumstance ever was OG above Fnatic fnatic position also did not change during DAC so either looking at it from Region standpoint based on DPC or pure DPC, or pure Region, if they went for dpc as you said, then they only screwed over fnatic, in hopes of not being judged for inviting SEA, but if they originally went for region, then they did no such thing / were not influenced therefore OG is invited because (remaining EU number 1) Invites were decided roughly early March, before Dreamleague. Dreamleague was the first time Fnatic passed OG in points, and the invited teams were literally the top 10 of the DPC pre-Dreamleague. but theres a catch they attended Dreamleague with Universe official news of Universe joining came out Jan 13, 2018 dreamleague was at March 21, 2018 therefore infact they already had more DPC than OG before dreamleague by the time Universe joined so the reddit post referring to fnatic in dreamleague was using an out of date fnatic roster (i think?) therefore top10 DPC supposed to be Fnatic there, instead of OG Er, no? Dota Pro Circuit/Rankings/Players630 > 614. Easy maths. ok. maybe you are correct i wanna ask something news came out 17 Apr 2018 by Supermajor regarding invites at that time Fnatic seems to be above OG 680 > 630 idk true maybe they decided/referred before the announcement
On the Supermajor Invite thread.
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HUGE news, EG TI winners incoming, you heard here first.
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I have been out of the Dota 2 scene for the last six months, but seeing this roster got me fired up to play a few games to get ready to see this roll out. It feels like a repeat of the failed prophecy of the Artz secret. Really looking forward to seeing these guys succeed.
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Suddenly becomes the best western team.. on paper.
VP must be trembling. The 2 teams that were historically VP's worst matchups have combined forces.
Suddenly becomes an exciting last major if Optic manages to replace OG's slot. DPC ranked 5-9 teams + TNC are still capable of fighting for top 8. Mski and VG are technically quite safe though as it seems statistically impossible for all top 4 teams to fuck up at the same time in the major.
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On May 29 2018 06:48 oahippo wrote:
I have been out of the Dota 2 scene for the last six months, but seeing this roster got me fired up to play a few games to get ready to see this roll out. It feels like a repeat of the failed prophecy of the Artz secret. Really looking forward to seeing these guys succeed.
failed prophecy was when he had been on a team that was winning everything (much like VP) up to the point of TI.
the final game they had they picked luna for rtz and left him alone in lane.
now he's on a team that has to gel for the next 4 months.
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On May 29 2018 03:33 DavoS wrote:
Not what I was expecting at all. I’m not incredibly optimistic honestly, Fly’s value as a player seems directly tied to whether or not Dazzle and WW are top tier picks.
Actually Dazzle did get a bunch of buffs so maybe...
S4 is always good, as long as him and Arteezy don’t butt heads he will be an upgrade.
Now what becomes of the rest of OG? Obviously 7mad will not be playing anywhere but I wouldn’t be surprised if n0tail and Jerax fade away too
you don't have to worry about S4 vs Rtz... as long as Rtz not winning TI, S4 won't talk to him
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Dota is brutal for pro players. There's no room for friendship and loyalty when your team doesn't have a TI invite, you're looking at a $20m+ prize pool, and your only path is through quals. I think most pros retain friendships even with this kind of stuff, because they've been in that same mental state. Still, there's no room for emotions when placing even decently at TI (top 8 or top 12) for a few months of grinding can pay for years of your career.
edit: on a less understanding note, if fuckingmad was considered one of the best in the world like S4 is, he would probably have a different outlook on fly and s4's decision (the whole Team Ideals vs Winning Money thing).
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Kick sumail for notail pls
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It seems that people still think Dota is some kind of solo game with occasional teamplay.
'Strongest team' I read here again and again ... because of what? Because they have good players who performed well in the past with other teams(mates)? Because some years ago the people won with other teams something? Its like my grandpa talking about good old times.
In politics you give office holder the first 100 days to show what they are capable of doing. We should do the same with Dota teams after a roster shuffle.
I dont know if this teams work out. I dont know if this team is capable to achieve anything. But to predict EG will now win TI is the same as saying EG wont make it through qualifiers. I could ask my crystal ball for such predictions.
It is indeed an interesting move and EG got the chance to show at the coming major, what they can do with this new roster. I still think that Misery and Fear wasnt the problem, EG is struggeling at the moment, and so this new roster wont change much. But we will see, and maybe I am wrong, at the coming major.
But to be honest ... I wouldnt be surprised, if this roster fall apart as quick as it tied together.
For OG it is a time to show what the management can do. I believe 7Mad that they were took by surprise ... I mean you also dont tell your boss you will quit your job ahead. But now they can show, if they are just able to win tournaments, or if they are able to go through hard times too. And if they are able to turn out better and shinier than before this crisis.
For the vacant spot at the Super Major I would like to see OpTic get it. And thats just because they have a real chance to get, with a decent good tournament, an invite rank for TI. So VGJ Thunder and OpTic would need to fight hard, for the invite 8th place and this brings just more excitement into the tournament ... because otherwise, this tournament wont change anything at TI invites.
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I kinda agree with the poster above me, feels like the days of just pick the 5 best players at each role and win Lans are a thing of the past. Team synergy is what really makes the best teams (but with that said, the best teams also got some very scary players in their own right).
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Another reason for Optic is that they missed the Philippines Major they qualified for due to the cancellation.
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I do agree that synergy/chemistry/teamwork is a thing in fact we have teams who owned because of it (Wings)
But Synergy/Chemistry is something that will or will not pop out during the actual time the team is together. So you can't really tell if there's synergy or not unless the team tries being a team and given time together to figure shit out.
It's a bonus if the team has high skillcap players that ended up with synergy.
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according to someone in reddit
optic got the priority invite? (depending on visas)
funnily there were (STILL) a deleted ppd tweet implying something-something-inviting-non-DPC-eligible-something-something
just had to lowkey imply something huh
:hmmm:
seems OK
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On May 29 2018 09:48 Qualitaetsgarant wrote:
Another reason for Optic is that they missed the Philippines Major they qualified for due to the cancellation.
This was replaced by the Bucharest Major
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On May 29 2018 09:49 goody153 wrote:
I do agree that synergy/chemistry/teamwork is a thing in fact we have teams who owned because of it (Wings)
But Synergy/Chemistry is something that will or will not pop out during the actual time the team is together. So you can't really tell if there's synergy or not unless the team tries being a team and given time together to figure shit out.
It's a bonus if the team has high skillcap players that ended up with synergy.
True, but then there are people like the first post on this page (it may be sarcasm though) that thinks they will all of a sudden be able to threathen VP (and besides team chemistry, I think VP still has better players, position for position).
Regardless I guess we just have to wait and see how things goes.
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Even though this seems amazing on paper
Fly and S4 has everything to prove and everything to lose. And I don’t really think Fly is the type that does well under these circumstances.
This is me speaking from the HUGEST fanboy pov since fnatic HoN days.
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I don't think anyone is going to blame either s4 or fly if this EG flames out, considering Rtz and Sumail have already chewed through Universe, Misery, Fear, Zai, and PPD without it impacting most of their standing based on where they went afterwards (still have yet to see for Misery). I'm pretty sure this is do or die for the Arteezy Sumail combo though.
I'm half expecting they just took it for the free salary for the next couple months. Was pretty obvious OG wasn't placing better than dead last at TI, and their chances are marginally better now.
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I just wonder when people are going to realize that the one common factor in underperforming teams is RTZ...
So no OG or EG at TI this year...
Oh well, let's go Liquid!
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rip fly x notail 
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I can see the Fly leaving N0tail is big.
But Fly gf is OG manager and Seem to have surprised her as well. Her comment on twitter:
Show nested quote +This is a tough one to stomach, but we look up and ahead. I wish @s4dota & @Fly_dota2 the very best. They are greatest, in every way and OGs to the core.
For me it's really a surprise that Fly leaves behind friendship, and organization that he build and a gf manager.
But think a change of cast can do both Fly and N0tail good. Maybe some new ideas and input, the ability to be honest about each others play without risking friendship will do them both good.
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How many teams does Arteezy need to destroy before he is satisfied?
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On May 29 2018 13:34 DropBear wrote:
How many teams does Arteezy need to destroy before he is satisfied?
lol so for the betterment of esport lets give Artour his honorary aegis so he can retire in peace?
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2 years ago another desperation team made it to the grand final
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So one NA player left for EG? Sad, what happened to OG. Hopefully, they get a full roster with nice players soon.
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On May 29 2018 16:26 Lucumo wrote:
So one NA player left for EG? Sad, what happened to OG. Hopefully, they get a full roster with nice players soon.
Fly is Canadian. Sumail has his US citizenship...I think, maybe just permanent resident status.
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So what does this mean for Bulba as a coach. Will he still be the one doing the drafts?
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Fly and s4 are Evil Geniuses indeed, huehue.
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Step 1 : Valve bring major/minor and clear rules about roster in order to bring stability for teams.
Step 2 : ....
Step 3 : Bloodbath in NA Open qualifier
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EG has been bad ever since ppd left.
ppd was a tough captain and EG kids don't want to eat their vegies.
But if they ended up eating their vegies they would have grown up nice a strong.
The moral of this story is...tough = good, not tough = shit team
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I will just wait 2 more weeks to see how fast that "best mid" kid starts to whine about the new teamates. And this is 100% going to happen when you let teenager run organization...
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On May 30 2018 11:53 GodLyDotA wrote:
EG has been bad ever since ppd left.
ppd was a tough captain and EG kids don't want to eat their vegies.
But if they ended up eating their vegies they would have grown up nice a strong.
The moral of this story is...tough = good, not tough = shit team
The idea that EG was bad last year boggles my mind.
They won 3 premier tournaments and one minor, came 2nd in 1 (and the Captain draft thing) and placed 3-4th at both major after losing to the winner OG.
They were hit or miss and the bombed at TI but they were very far from bad.
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Haters gonna hate. I have high hopes for this roster, maybe not "win TI ez pz", but I believe they can do well and would like them to stick together after TI.
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On May 30 2018 18:03 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 11:53 GodLyDotA wrote:
EG has been bad ever since ppd left.
ppd was a tough captain and EG kids don't want to eat their vegies.
But if they ended up eating their vegies they would have grown up nice a strong.
The moral of this story is...tough = good, not tough = shit team The idea that EG was bad last year boggles my mind. They won 3 premier tournaments and one minor, came 2nd in 1 (and the Captain draft thing) and placed 3-4th at both major after losing to the winner OG. They were hit or miss and the bombed at TI but they were very far from bad.
They had a star player line up they will do decent, but not gona win them a TI. Plus Zai was the saving grace last year, if this new roster does good its because of S4 making plays. Watch the BTS misery video on youtube, he tells you EG wont try new strats they like to stick to what they practiced, patch every 2 weeks = GG, predictable strat = GG.
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Wow, I just posted about missing Fear on EG, before reading this. Feels like a huge move. I dig it. GL HF EG!
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They had a star player line up they will do decent, but not gona win them a TI. Plus Zai was the saving grace last year, if this new roster does good its because of S4 making plays.
No one said they will win TI with the line up it's a start and I think it has the right formula to do well. S4 making plays is actually his job bro. They need that play making, space creating offlaner and S4 fits that boot well.
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EPT
