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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 13:33:34
May 09 2018 13:28 GMT
#190781
my last pick carry tb went manta style and dragon lance against radiance lifestealer, disruptor, slardar, leshrac and dark seer

how do you even go about salvaging that game

e. also my teammates bought me a bottle when my game crashed, I didn't know they could do that
the game seems a bit broken atm
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7756 Posts
May 09 2018 14:04 GMT
#190782
why would they even lastpick TB into such a magic heavy enemy lineup in the first place
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
May 09 2018 14:08 GMT
#190783
I feel like any carry in the game would've been fucked against that lineup
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44300 Posts
May 09 2018 14:16 GMT
#190784
Tb seems fine but i heard bkb is a stellar item.
this is a quote
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 14:32:38
May 09 2018 14:32 GMT
#190785
idk, force blink bkb sounds nice against that lineup
with a casual yasha / sny

but behold the 2k scrub lmao
passive quaranstream fan
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 14:41:04
May 09 2018 14:32 GMT
#190786
yeah I don't think you can delay bkb for that long, we basically did fine until lifestealer had radiance +1 item and they made their first 5 man push, and there has to be a better early item than manta for that game

maybe we could have held that push though if I had the glimmer cape and my cores weren't tilted and flaming each other, I imagine

e. also it just struck me that if a player's rank can't go down and is shown at the pick screen, boosted players get like 3x their money's worth
maybe this is a conscious effort to put boosters out of business
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 09 2018 15:46 GMT
#190787
using tipping as insult is the greatest thing ever
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
May 09 2018 15:51 GMT
#190788
On May 09 2018 22:01 Plansix wrote:
I am sure that valve makes changes based on how it impacts the majority of their player base, for good or bad. Folks that are over 5K likely only make up a small fraction of the overall player base.


Yeah that line of thinking is a pretty huge problem. If something benefits the 99% of casuals but harms the 1% consisting of more 'hardcore' players it's definitely not good.

That'd be like a coffee shop telling its daily customers to fuck off and sit out in the rain in the hopes that some new guy who might stop in once every half a year might come in and enjoy a nice and dry indoor table

The 'hardcore' audience is what keeps a game alive and thriving: see SC2 & broodwar
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 16:00:18
May 09 2018 15:59 GMT
#190789
From a business perspective though, it's the casual userbase that makes up most of the money, isn't it? I can see why Valve wants to appeal to them more, even though I suspect there's a happy medium that doesn't involve sacrificing that 1% of players.

The "hardcore" players are the ones who keep a game alive, but casuals probably contribute more financially given their number.
kiss kiss fall in love
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
May 09 2018 16:02 GMT
#190790
I don't care, nor do I think anyone that plays this game 6+ hours a day cares about how Valve focuses their attention. If Valve wants to add more updates to make the game playable or attractive to casual players that's great! I would love to see more changes done to make DotA more accessible and the playerbase grow. I understand that they're a company and that appealing to the masses is what will drive more profits for them. What I'm not okay with is changes that are made under the guise of "happy medium" that lowers the quality of my experience, as well as others who play as often as I do. Just invest in some R&D and come up with other ideas that don't negative impact the game for the core group of players that keep the game alive lol.
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 09 2018 16:14 GMT
#190791
after reading a bit I decided not to buy the Battlepass.
Then I briefly reconsidered juat now but remembered I dont even have a graphics card in my computer and the computer itseöf is locked away in a different city anyway.
So I'm gonna take just the pass this year.
passive quaranstream fan
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 09 2018 16:17 GMT
#190792
Not donating money to ti8 prize pool smh

More seriously, I feel like people overbuy the battlepass in relation to how much they still play Dota
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 09 2018 16:38 GMT
#190793
On May 10 2018 01:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
Not donating money to ti8 prize pool smh

More seriously, I feel like people overbuy the battlepass in relation to how much they still play Dota

From my experience, people dive back into Dota during battle pass time and then move to other games after TI. TI season is in the middle of the summer video game famine, so it sort of makes sense.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 09 2018 16:41 GMT
#190794
That's why you plan ahead, and buy degenerate weeaboo trash for that drought.

I have two Neptunia games for that part of the year planned, for instance.
kiss kiss fall in love
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 16:51:26
May 09 2018 16:46 GMT
#190795
I'm honestly happier buying some switch game that I play for 40 hours for the amount of money I poured into the compendium last year.
Due to vacationing I couldn't even properly predict and do my fantasy team either.

e: I'm watching the boulder World Cup in Chongquing and the interview after the womens' finals has the 3rd placed slovakian (I think) climber talk about her managing to hold onto the boulder the one time she almost slipped off seconds before time runs out but managed to recover.
And I'm like, how does she speak such good German, interesting, might've learned that in school. Seconds after I realize the interview is in English. All along. I don't know how my brain interpreted that as German, but that was funny
passive quaranstream fan
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 09 2018 16:47 GMT
#190796
OK, I'm triggered.

On May 10 2018 00:51 harodihg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2018 22:01 Plansix wrote:
I am sure that valve makes changes based on how it impacts the majority of their player base, for good or bad. Folks that are over 5K likely only make up a small fraction of the overall player base.


Yeah that line of thinking is a pretty huge problem. If something benefits the 99% of casuals but harms the 1% consisting of more 'hardcore' players it's definitely not good.

That'd be like a coffee shop telling its daily customers to fuck off and sit out in the rain in the hopes that some new guy who might stop in once every half a year might come in and enjoy a nice and dry indoor table

The 'hardcore' audience is what keeps a game alive and thriving: see SC2 & broodwar

You people are funny. There is literally no other game nearly as big as dota that cares less about new player experience and makes decisions based on what the hardcore invested players want. Literally none. And you still have people posting shit like that. It's ridiculous how retardedly elitist people in this community are.

This is one also amkes me laugh:

On May 09 2018 20:46 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
waow who woulda thunk

e. how can the battlepass sell more than ever when the playerbase is half of 2016
have they reduced the playerbase to those prone to gamble? literally mobile game?


'literally mobile game' Good one! Real smart there, buddy. You cracked the code, literally a mobile game.
super gg
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
May 09 2018 16:49 GMT
#190797
I don't see the compendium as something that I necessarily need to get my money out of by itself. I also don't really try to "weigh" the value that I get out of it or compare it to other things. Yeah, I'd probably be happier and get more 'net' happiness just buying a switch game or a nice meal or something because I don't really use the compendium, but at the end of the day I play the game a ton so I see it as just a way to pay for my enjoyment.
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 09 2018 16:52 GMT
#190798
I havent played since may last year so I feel I'm doing the right thing
passive quaranstream fan
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 16:58:55
May 09 2018 16:55 GMT
#190799
Okay if you want to label me retardedly elitist that's you're own prerogative but you're not giving any real argument as to why some of the changes mentioned are the bees knees and totally acceptable. I also don't know how you can claim that DotA doesn't care about the new player experience when there's been countless changes (though possibly not that great of ones) made to try and make it better.

It's not like the game isn't praised or awesome, and just because there's criticism doesn't take away from that.

I don't know why you're so upset or how my comments came off as elitist in a toxic way when the recent change has legitimately had a negative impact on the game in some areas.

Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
May 09 2018 17:31 GMT
#190800
On May 10 2018 00:46 teddyoojo wrote:
using tipping as insult is the greatest thing ever

this alone is worth a compendium
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