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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:52:12
March 10 2015 18:51 GMT
#15381
On March 11 2015 03:49 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:29 Comeh wrote:
Isn't there a huge bug with aegis + bb CD penalty right now? It can remove like 20-30 seconds in respawn time?

I mean that falls under the category of "technically a bug because DotA 1 doesn't work that way, but could feasibly be called intended, because it's not completely outrageous or nonfunctional". In fact, 99% of "bugs" fall into that category.

If Riot had a bug like that, they'd probably call it intended for the time being then retract that when they finally get around to fixing it. As opposed to Valve maintaining the ridiculously long KBL that never gets fixed.

I dunno - this bug seems kind of outrageous. IIRC the idea is that aegis removes a BB CD that you have - it seems somewhat gamebreaking in certain situations.

Its a pretty bad one IMO

i'm gonna write an email to icefrog.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:52:05
March 10 2015 18:51 GMT
#15382
On March 11 2015 03:50 andyrau wrote:
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On March 11 2015 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
that doesn't make it harder to write a functional game it just makes it harder to distribute and keep servers running and manage the community.

point ur both missing is that it's an inaccurate comparison hence justifying your statement by measuring manpower doesn't mean shit
u basically said nothing is my point. the fact that they both make video games is the only similarity, and that's not even the focus of either company. besides the point is that riot runs LCS throughout the year and they're publically owned versus privately owned etc
if you're comparing coding of the game you'd have to compare 2008 riot with 2008 valve and honestly dota 2 at its inception was awful why you think they didnt bring the game out of beta until 3 years later

source 2 babe
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 18:52 GMT
#15383
On March 11 2015 03:47 Shaella wrote:
actually your average player costs you money, but part of the idea is that they're part of the product you're selling to the players who will pay money.

Specifying: you're talking about the median player here, because the mean player almost by definition cannot cost you money (because that literally means you're losing money).

And we actually need statistics in order to yea or nay this.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 18:53 GMT
#15384
On March 11 2015 03:52 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:47 Shaella wrote:
actually your average player costs you money, but part of the idea is that they're part of the product you're selling to the players who will pay money.

Specifying: you're talking about the median player here, because the mean player almost by definition cannot cost you money (because that literally means you're losing money).

And we actually need statistics in order to yea or nay this.

yeah but most players don't spend money.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:54:18
March 10 2015 18:53 GMT
#15385
It's less outrageous than the bug where respawning in range of one of your illusions causes all auras you carry to become nonfunctional on you from when the illusion times out until your next death.

Like the Aegis bug is obviously more impactful to a real game, but it's less "weird" in a way where it could be written off as an intended interaction by a lazy developer.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 10 2015 18:53 GMT
#15386
Number of employees does not equal coding talent. They have tons of people, but how many of them are base coder that can program the game from the ground up. My firm has tons of attorneys, but that doesn't mean every single one of them can go up to the MA Supreme Court and argue a case(we have 3 who can and have). Raw numbers does not mean you can just make shit happen.

That being said, both dota and LoL are buggy messes. Its just more charming when its Dota because, well, it dota.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 10 2015 18:53 GMT
#15387
NIP is losing to BURDENS UNITED, cancel my flair request.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 18:54 GMT
#15388
how the fuck is NiP playing so fucking bad today.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
March 10 2015 18:54 GMT
#15389
On March 11 2015 03:38 Kupon3ss wrote:
The international should be extremely volvo-approved

It is but the combination of fewer game breaking since Dota blew up combined with the fact that most tournaments aren't volvo-approved gives it a different feel.

Does TI have rules about how teams should report bugs in-game and whether games will be replayed and stuff? If they do the community is definitely less aware of them. Either way I'd say that the community's expectations when it comes to bugs are very different. Valve also helps this by typically being quick to fix large bugs when they happen in big pro matches.


and ya obviously the replay system has issues but afaik Riot's primary line at this point is that league is expanding so quickly we just cant hold all these players so no replays servers will die
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 10 2015 18:54 GMT
#15390
? NIP and BU are the same tier of team aka irrelevant pubstack tier
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:57:18
March 10 2015 18:55 GMT
#15391
On March 11 2015 03:51 Comeh wrote:
i'm gonna write an email to icefrog.

he haASNT responded to me its been like 12 hours i think this game is terrible im playing awesomenauts


On March 11 2015 03:53 crms wrote:
NIP is losing to BURDENS UNITED, cancel my flair request.

I just want voidboys flair
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 18:55 GMT
#15392
dota2 western tier list

tier 1. Secret and EG

tier 2. literally everybody else

tier 3. All the shitty teams like and PaiN and shit

tier 5. Team Tinker.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 10 2015 18:55 GMT
#15393
Valve basically tell the players pre-TI to go ham on anything in the game from what I've heard.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 10 2015 18:57 GMT
#15394
On March 11 2015 03:54 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:38 Kupon3ss wrote:
The international should be extremely volvo-approved

It is but the combination of fewer game breaking since Dota blew up combined with the fact that most tournaments aren't volvo-approved gives it a different feel.

Does TI have rules about how teams should report bugs in-game and whether games will be replayed and stuff? If they do the community is definitely less aware of them. Either way I'd say that the community's expectations when it comes to bugs are very different. Valve also helps this by typically being quick to fix large bugs when they happen in big pro matches.


and ya obviously the replay system has issues but afaik Riot's primary line at this point is that league is expanding so quickly we just cant hold all these players so no replays servers will die


What do you mean "since Dota blew up" - TI1 had a million viewers for a broken game, and even now the playerbase for Dota2 is smaller than Dota at its height
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 18:57 GMT
#15395
On March 11 2015 03:53 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:52 Acritter wrote:
On March 11 2015 03:47 Shaella wrote:
actually your average player costs you money, but part of the idea is that they're part of the product you're selling to the players who will pay money.

Specifying: you're talking about the median player here, because the mean player almost by definition cannot cost you money (because that literally means you're losing money).

And we actually need statistics in order to yea or nay this.

yeah but most players don't spend money.

You actually need to measure that by dollar/playtime hour to get a measure of each player, because otherwise you don't properly calculate their cost burden on Riot servers.

Also, we still need real statistics instead of guesswork.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 10 2015 18:57 GMT
#15396
On March 11 2015 03:55 Shaella wrote:
dota2 western tier list

tier 1. Secret and EG

tier 2. literally everybody else

tier 3. All the shitty teams like and PaiN and shit

tier 5. Team Tinker.

spoken like a true tt fan
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 10 2015 18:57 GMT
#15397
play dota
be 40 min in
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Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 18:58 GMT
#15398
I've given up on hope
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 10 2015 18:59 GMT
#15399
On March 11 2015 03:53 TheYango wrote:
It's less outrageous than the bug where respawning in range of one of your illusions causes all auras you carry to become nonfunctional on you from when the illusion times out until your next death.

Like the Aegis bug is obviously more impactful to a real game, but it's less "weird" in a way where it could be written off as an intended interaction by a lazy developer.

Jesus.

That one is hard to even make sense of.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 19:00:36
March 10 2015 18:59 GMT
#15400
On March 11 2015 03:57 Kupon3ss wrote:
What do you mean "since Dota blew up" - TI1 had a million viewers for a broken game, and even now the playerbase for Dota2 is smaller than Dota at its height

since Dota 2 became a viable career path and a popular esport o.o SHOULDA SAID DOTA 2 LOL

what do you want from me obviously the game was hella broken on release and is less broken now
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