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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 19 2015 14:21 GMT
#45541
I feel like we might be treading down a dangerous road here.
How's the weather where you're living?
kiss kiss fall in love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 19 2015 14:21 GMT
#45542
All, all the VR and AR stuff coming out of E3 sounds both insane and like non-sense. People are building some wild tech. And apparently, the dream of us being a jet pilot in VR might lead to use throwing up a lot.
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7756 Posts
June 19 2015 14:23 GMT
#45543
Cloudy with a bit of sun for me, 'bout 20 degrees Celcius, almost no wind.

I might actually go for a walk after work, it's o nice.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 19 2015 14:23 GMT
#45544
I don't think this or next gen will nail VR, the gen after that however is where i see VR becoming accessible and well integrated into games.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 19 2015 14:24 GMT
#45545
Do pilots throw up a lot when they're starting to fly in real life, or is the physical stimulation from the plane enough to help prevent that?

I feel like VR flying wouldn't give me the physical feedback I'd want with the visuals being what they are.
kiss kiss fall in love
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 19 2015 14:24 GMT
#45546
I mean vr jet piloting is always going to pale significantly next to the real thing where you have to wear a pressure suit to force the blood back into your head when pulling 5 Gs or more. That's the kind of thing thats a bit harder to simulate.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 19 2015 14:27 GMT
#45547
pilots dont look at the sky really they look at their instruments.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 19 2015 14:28 GMT
#45548
On June 19 2015 23:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean vr jet piloting is always going to pale significantly next to the real thing where you have to wear a pressure suit to force the blood back into your head when pulling 5 Gs or more. That's the kind of thing thats a bit harder to simulate.

But I wonder if it has a different impact on the player/pilot.
kiss kiss fall in love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 14:31:13
June 19 2015 14:28 GMT
#45549
VR is going to need its own games. Both the developers of Morpheus and Oculus were asked by Giant Bomb about putting the new Mirror's Edge in VR and they both side it wouldn't be great. The system messes with your perception of balance and anything that moves that fast can make people super sick. One of them was talking about getting quake to work on it and the jump pads being a real bad time. They are going to need learn game design from the ground up for VR.

On June 19 2015 23:24 IntoTheheart wrote:
Do pilots throw up a lot when they're starting to fly in real life, or is the physical stimulation from the plane enough to help prevent that?

I feel like VR flying wouldn't give me the physical feedback I'd want with the visuals being what they are.


Yes, if they do enough barrel rolls, they can make themselves sick just like you can spinning around in one spot. You spin the horizon in a VR fight sim enough and you'll puke. The Morpheus dev said "Your inner ear still thinks the ground is the ground. There is no software solution for that."
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7756 Posts
June 19 2015 14:31 GMT
#45550
On June 19 2015 23:28 Plansix wrote:
VR is going to need its own games. Both the developers of Morpheus and Oculus were asked by Giant Bomb about putting the new Mirror's Edge in VR and they both side it wouldn't be great. The system messes with your perception of balance and anything that moves that fast can make people super sick. One of them was talking about getting quake to work on it and the jump pads being a real bad time. They are going to need learn game design from the ground up for VR.


I imagine you would need a harness or something that would at least to some extent simulate the jumps and g-force shifts so that your brain doesn't make you puke your guts out after 5 minutes. Or make it some sort of enhanced reality rather that full VR.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 14:38:45
June 19 2015 14:37 GMT
#45551
On June 19 2015 23:31 PoulsenB wrote:
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On June 19 2015 23:28 Plansix wrote:
VR is going to need its own games. Both the developers of Morpheus and Oculus were asked by Giant Bomb about putting the new Mirror's Edge in VR and they both side it wouldn't be great. The system messes with your perception of balance and anything that moves that fast can make people super sick. One of them was talking about getting quake to work on it and the jump pads being a real bad time. They are going to need learn game design from the ground up for VR.


I imagine you would need a harness or something that would at least to some extent simulate the jumps and g-force shifts so that your brain doesn't make you puke your guts out after 5 minutes. Or make it some sort of enhanced reality rather that full VR.

Thats the thing, they are finding out that sort of stuff needs to be a lot slower than we are used in games. The design mantra right now seems to be "don't do anything you wouldn't be confirmation doing for real." Like don't have people going 90 MPG and jumping because they will lose it.

One developer made a demo where someone was tied to a chair and being threatened with a blow torch and people are talking about folks getting real pale and breaking out in cold sweats because of it. VR is really weird and messes with your brain at some low level wiring, like fight or flight. People were talking about horror games being amazing last year, but now they are really concerned they might be to much for most people.
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7756 Posts
June 19 2015 14:40 GMT
#45552
I can imagine VR being used for torture, possibilities of messing with one's head are endless.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 19 2015 14:45 GMT
#45553
youd have to clockwork orange their eyes tho
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Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
June 19 2015 14:46 GMT
#45554
On June 19 2015 23:09 Gosi wrote:
are those girls at least hot or are they like fat high school chicks

Varies
That group was actually formed on friendship instead of status/race
Lol they are larger than my friend circle
I only have two good friends at this school :o to make matters worse, they have the same first name, and all three of us have either aspergers. ADHD, depression, or a combo of those lol

I wonder if people look at me weird
Do you guys look at people like that a bit differently?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 14:47:27
June 19 2015 14:47 GMT
#45555
? isn't that like 60% of LD people id bet it is
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7756 Posts
June 19 2015 14:48 GMT
#45556
I have acute laziness and massive self-worth problems, but otherwise I'm doing fine ^^
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 19 2015 14:49 GMT
#45557
I think ADHD is pretty common among people who like video games in general. The desire for stimulus pairs well with video games.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 19 2015 14:54 GMT
#45558
a lot of my friends play smash when they take stimpacks
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 19 2015 15:02 GMT
#45559
alright today blows the internet is boring and we r talking about depression and adhd

at least it's friday
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 19 2015 15:04 GMT
#45560
On June 19 2015 23:54 PassiveAce wrote:
a lot of my friends play smash when they take stimpacks

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