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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:46:36
April 03 2015 21:45 GMT
#24001
i mean the crux of plansix's argument is "i hold the personal opinion that sex acts for money is degrading but coaching dota isn't" which on its face sounds ok but just has no deeper foundation

it just gets annoying when he uses that shallow foundation to call envy stupid and argue with Acritter who is trying to be more logically sound about it
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
April 03 2015 21:46 GMT
#24002
Anyone here like Waffles?
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:49:00
April 03 2015 21:48 GMT
#24003
Fuck waffles

French Toast for life.

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ilu Emu, Waffles are okay
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:49:24
April 03 2015 21:49 GMT
#24004
they're ok but i never go out of my way to eat them

generally i'm more a fan of savory and hearty breakfast foods

hashbrowns/bacon/sausage/eggs 4 life
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 03 2015 21:49 GMT
#24005
I'm more of a pancake guy myself
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
April 03 2015 21:50 GMT
#24006
On April 04 2015 06:48 Jinxed wrote:
Fuck waffles

French Toast for life.

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ilu Emu, Waffles are okay

Fuck, I have some really good bread in the house. You've inspired me.

FRENCH TOAST FOR DINNER.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
April 03 2015 21:50 GMT
#24007
derail successful.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2015 21:50 GMT
#24008
On April 04 2015 06:43 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2015 06:35 Acritter wrote:
On April 04 2015 06:33 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2015 06:30 Acritter wrote:
On April 04 2015 06:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2015 06:18 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
plansix got lawyered

EDIT and still continues to miss the point. he would be a whore precisely because people want him in particular, not coaching in general, which is not his primary profession in the first place. what part of this don't you understand? his gripe isn't that he wouldn't be a good coach, his gripe is that people want him not for coaching per se but for paid interaction with him.

No, I totally got that part, its really not that complicated. I just think its dumb to leave money on the table like that. Maybe don't charge $50 for two hours per person, but he could play with fans that want to pay to play. Saying he is whoring himself out by doing so its just hyperbolic and stupid. If he doesn't want to, just say so and don't try to gussy it up with some weird excuse.

You could probably go and literally whore yourself out for money. If by no other means, you might be able to do camshows for gay men. Assuming you could, why wouldn't you? Let's say your wife would understand that it's dumb to leave money on the table like that.

If you can't tell the difference between playing Dota fans and having sex with people for money, I'm not sure I can help you in this discussion.

Why wouldn't you cam for gay people? You're not having sex with them.

If you can't tell the differences between cam shows and playing dota with fans for money, and how that comparison might be slightly hyperbolic, I cannot help you. The only similarity is that there are multiple people involved and money.

Make the distinction, please. I believe you won't, so...

You're refusing to because you can't put it clearly into words, and you can't clearly put it into words because there is no difference. You believe that camming for gay men is personally degrading, and you know what? I not only respect your belief, but also agree with you. I wouldn't ever do it, myself, but I also recognize that some people don't find it degrading and respect their choice to do it. There is nothing inherently degrading about coaching or about camming for gay men, and EternalEnvy's feelings that it is degrading to coach are entirely worth respecting. Calling them "stupid" means that, logically, you must believe that your own decision to not gay cam is stupid. Otherwise, you have contradicted yourself and are being hypocritical.

I don't look down on people who do it, if that is what you are asking. I wouldn't do it, personally and I have no need to. However, I would never refer to it as "whoring", because its pretty shitty.

As I pointed out above, EE stated that "coaching" was debasing (whoring) himself for money from fans. If fans want to interact with him and pay him, thats fine and it doesn't make him a bad person for accepting it. I personally think EE is sort of an awkward guy and it would be stressful for him, so he doesn't want to do it. That is also fine, but he should just be honest and say that if its true.

The "whoring himself out" is a bullshit line, because plenty of people make paid appearances to interact with fans and there is nothing wrong with that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:50:59
April 03 2015 21:50 GMT
#24009
Envy is stupd. There's hardly any point for arguing here.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:52:23
April 03 2015 21:51 GMT
#24010
It has been so long since I've made french toast.

Fortunately in ~3 weeks I'll be moved (hopefully) and then me and my fiancee can make it for breakfast again.

Till then I have to wait.

EDIT: Guys, you're arguing over semantics. It's all relative and P6 if the guy feels that way and that's the way he put it then you're just going to have to accept it and move along.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 03 2015 21:51 GMT
#24011
i can't find anything wrong with anything ee says when he uses the word whore. i mean i guess he could've been relating to an escort rather than a prostitute but ultimately it means the same thing.
the point is, ee doesn't want to be paid for what basically amounts to interact with a viewer for 2 hours. he thinks it's whoring because they only want to pay for his attention specifically and not the insight he can bring. and this insight isn't such a rare commodity because his primary clientele are going to be 3k-5k mmr.

i mean idra did the same thing, he hated coaching but raised the price to an acceptable level where he felt as if whatever time he spent regurgitating drivel about sc2 to his student was worth it.


i like belgian waffles
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:52:06
April 03 2015 21:51 GMT
#24012
ok i'm just going to avoid the plansix bait from now on like i avoid 99% of his posts

edit ok no i cant help myself, "plenty of people do it [so] there is nothing wrong with it" IS NOT AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:53:24
April 03 2015 21:52 GMT
#24013
On April 04 2015 06:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
ok i'm just going to avoid the plansix bait from now on like i avoid 99% of his posts

You should do so, there are a good chunk of users on this site I ignore all the time.

Edit: Woops, I guess it didn't work. Well you can always try again.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
April 03 2015 21:52 GMT
#24014
On April 04 2015 06:50 TheEmulator wrote:
derail successful.

spoke too soon

Honestly, what I eat for breakfast most mornings is just egg in a basket. Sometimes I eat it with salt and pepper, sometimes with Sriracha. It's really solid and filling, and I don't get bored of eating it.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
April 03 2015 21:53 GMT
#24015
fuuuuuuuuu eggs in a basket are amazing.

I need to try it with Texas Toast though some time. Would probably improve the quality by a bit.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2015 21:54 GMT
#24016
Waffles are great and the highest level of breakfast food. French toast is ok, but I like my eggs separate. Mostly with waffles.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 03 2015 21:54 GMT
#24017
eggs in a basket is so good especially if you have the right type of bread
fugg thats my favorite breakfast food


eggs with any type of bread is delish
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 03 2015 21:54 GMT
#24018
is cash for cachet really that hard to understand?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 21:57:05
April 03 2015 21:54 GMT
#24019
On April 04 2015 06:50 Plansix wrote:
The "whoring himself out" is a bullshit line, because plenty of people make paid appearances to interact with fans and there is nothing wrong with that.

There's also nothing wrong with being a literal whore and accepting money for sex.
But some people find that degrading and anyone sensible would be able to respect that. Likewise anyone sensible would also be able to respect other lines people wouldn't cross like accepting money just to talk to a stranger for 2 hours because to them it would be a degrading experience.
Not being able to respect that is honestly just immature as fuck.

Edit: And i should add i generally think EE is a fucking idiot, but i'm still sensible enough to respect something as simple as this.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
April 03 2015 21:55 GMT
#24020
a new challenger has appeared
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