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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:11 dismiss wrote: How could you possibly be a good coach if you're sub 5k, especially in a field that develops and changes as rapidly as video games? Purge is over 5k. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 04 2015 05:55 Plansix wrote: Clients pay that an hour just for me to type stuff and look up title nonsense. It's called billing hourly. EE's got the wrong idea about all this. You can say that he has the wrong idea about it, but it doesn't change the fact that he finds it personally degrading to do those sorts of things. The fact is, people aren't paying him so that they can "get better." DOTA2 is well-known to require serious time commitments above all else, and anyone paying so that they can be coached is trying to take a royal road. If they really cared, in any case, the best way would be to find a random 5k player and pay them $10/hr for 10 hours instead. The difference between the 5k player and EE is not significant to someone who is likely going to have to be reminded of extremely basic details. What they're paying for, above all else, is a chance to talk to Jackie Mao. Unsurprisingly, Jackie Mao finds it violating to think that he's taking people's money in exchange for them talking to him in particular. In your case, your clients are not paying for you in particular. It's reasonable that you feel like the exchange is normal, because you're just one of many options for a highly necessary service which is also your primary profession. Comparing your job to his potential side gig of coaching is a false analogy when you take it beyond the excessively reductive notion of "people pay me money to communicate." | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:11 dismiss wrote: How could you possibly be a good coach if you're sub 5k, especially in a field that develops and changes as rapidly as video games? I was unaware that every single highschool sports coach was a high level college player at one point in his/her life. This is news to me. Teaching someone to improve does =/= being amazing. You could get coached by someone the exact same skill level as you and just the act of someone monitoring your play and providing suggestions help you improve. Edit - Acritter: Then EE should just say "I would be a shitty coach and would be overcharging a fan for a lack luster service. And I don't want to do that to my fans." But communicating isn't his strong suit, really. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
EDIT and still continues to miss the point. he would be a whore precisely because people want him in particular, not coaching in general, which is not his primary profession in the first place. what part of this don't you understand? his gripe isn't that he wouldn't be a good coach, his gripe is that people want him not for coaching per se but for paid interaction with him. | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Lack of skill is a more glaring fault when it comes to something like a video game where other skills are way more important than your physical aptitude. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:15 Plansix wrote: I was unaware that every single highschool sports coach was a high level college player at one point in his/her life. This is news to me. Teaching someone to improve does =/= being amazing. You could get coached by someone the exact same skill level as you and just the act of someone monitoring your play and providing suggestions help you improve. Edit - Acritter: Then EE should just say "I would be a shitty coach and would be overcharging a fan for a lack luster service. And I don't want to do that to my fans." But communicating isn't his strong suit, really. Did you miss all the parts where I mentioned that he obviously felt it was personally violating? Because I thought those were pretty clear. | ||
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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:23 TheEmulator wrote: Coaching in video games is dumb anyway, if you need coaching to get good why even bother getting good? Go do something more productive with something you don't suck at. i am going to do the broken record thing and repeat that most people who get coaching from known ESPORTS figures are not doing it to get better per se, but doing it to have some form of personal interaction with the figures they like it is like celebrity dating auctions or something, except without the ameliorating factor of being for charity | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:19 dismiss wrote: Despite its name ESPORTS is not actually a sport. It's really funny to me how people always bring up that comparison when it's beyond asinine. Lack of skill is a more glaring fault when it comes to something like a video game where other skills are way more important than your physical aptitude. Physical aptitude is one of the lowest requirements to being 'good' at a sport. It helps, but most sports are considerably more technique than they are pure physical ability. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:25 Jinxed wrote: Physical aptitude is one of the lowest requirements to being 'good' at a sport. It helps, but most sports are considerably more technique than they are pure physical ability. i think by lowest you mean "most basic" | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:18 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: plansix got lawyered EDIT and still continues to miss the point. he would be a whore precisely because people want him in particular, not coaching in general, which is not his primary profession in the first place. what part of this don't you understand? his gripe isn't that he wouldn't be a good coach, his gripe is that people want him not for coaching per se but for paid interaction with him. No, I totally got that part, its really not that complicated. I just think its dumb to leave money on the table like that. Maybe don't charge $50 for two hours per person, but he could play with fans that want to pay to play. Saying he is whoring himself out by doing so its just hyperbolic and stupid. If he doesn't want to, just say so and don't try to gussy it up with some weird excuse. | ||
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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:25 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i am going to do the broken record thing and repeat that most people who get coaching from known ESPORTS figures are not doing it to get better per se, but doing it to have some form of personal interaction with the figures they like it is like celebrity dating auctions or something, except without the ameliorating factor of being for charity duh You realize I'm the one who originally brought up the quote from EE where he said that, lol. I'm just specifically talking about people who do it actually wanting to get better. It's kind of delusional/sad. edit: to make it more clear I was going on a tangent not really related to your convo I just felt like making fun of people who pay for caoches  | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:25 Jinxed wrote: Physical aptitude is one of the lowest requirements to being 'good' at a sport. It helps, but most sports are considerably more technique than they are pure physical ability. Ye, okay. That's why there are so many fat pro players? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:25 Plansix wrote: you personally disagreeing with the emotional/principle-based aspect of his reasoning doesn't make it invalidNo, I totally got that part, its really not that complicated. I just think its dumb to leave money on the table like that. Maybe don't charge $50 for two hours per person, but he could play with fans that want to pay to play. Saying he is whoring himself out by doing so its just hyperbolic and stupid. If he doesn't want to, just say so and don't try to gussy it up with some weird excuse. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
idk maybe it's because of what tuna's saying about most coaching feeling like a chance to get to talk 1 on 1 with a pro. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:23 TheEmulator wrote: Coaching in video games is dumb anyway, if you need coaching to get good why even bother getting good? Go do something more productive with something you don't suck at. I think this is a time vs disposable cash thing. I lack time and if I could justify paying a talented coach to help me improve at dota, I would do it. People with less disposable cash might see it as less worth while. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:25 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i think by lowest you mean "most basic" Yeah, thanks. Not that it isn't important, but between certain points you're all the same anyways. On April 04 2015 06:26 dismiss wrote: Ye, okay. That's why there are so many fat pro players? Yes because that is exactly what I said. 10/10 reading comprehension again cynic. | ||
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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:26 dismiss wrote: Ye, okay. That's why there are so many fat pro players? tbf having a high physical aptitude doesn't mean you are in shape, lol. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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