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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On March 24 2015 03:00 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: omg senpai backed me up :3 its still a bad analogy | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 24 2015 03:00 SKC wrote: People can easily tell the diference between 60hz and 120hz. 40 fps to 60 fps is quite obvious in some scenarios. I want a study done, because it might be like the Stradivarius violin, which people claimed for years they could tell the difference in sound. But science says no. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/science/a-strad-violinists-cant-tell.html?_r=0 There is a limit to how much the eye can notice and how discerning it is. Edit: Clearly the article is not 100% on point. If there was a study done, I would have just linked that. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On March 24 2015 03:02 Plansix wrote: I want a study done, because it might be like the Stradivarius violin, which people claimed for years they could tell the difference in sound. But science says no. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/science/a-strad-violinists-cant-tell.html?_r=0 There is a limit to how much the eye can notice and how discerning it is. It's a completelly diferent thing. It's not even comparable. You can find tests online where you can clearly see the diference between 40 and 60 fps. The human eye can see much more than that, it doesn't work in "FPS". | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
side by side 30 vs 60 fps: + Show Spoiler + i can tell the difference (30 looks like it has more motion blur n stuff) but its not a big deal to me im a laid back guy i mean on some level the human | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Step 1: set ur 120hz monitor to 120hz. wiggle mouse in a smallish circle Step 2: set ur 120hz monitor to 60hz. wiggle mouse in a smallish circle difference is noticeable. GOD FORBID you try 30hz i literally went to a store, saw a sick-ass 4K monitor on demo, was like "sweet lemme check this out" touched the mouse and was instantly shocked by how awful it was. It took me a few seconds to realize that it was being hdmi 1.4 driven so 30hz so fukcing disaster u dont notice as much when u don't really have a cursor and/or are stuck to joystick controls I guess. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
No difference at all guys, it's all imagined. No but seriously anyone with properly working eyes can see the difference. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
0,0045s is quite short. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On March 24 2015 03:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: so tsuntsun side by side 30 vs 60 fps: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEk_2J8sUV8 i can tell the difference (30 looks like it has more motion blur n stuff) but its not a big deal to me im a laid back guy i mean on some level the human eye has to have some temporal resolution though, everything does. it's just not necessarily a static one 30 looks jumpy there | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
but things are still perfectly playable at 30 fps 720p if the selling point of the game isn't graphics | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: Yeah, I'm now looking at stuff and its clearly disprove. It just took a while to find links that were not for reddit posts about the subject. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
for example most non IPS monitors/screens out there have inaccurate color reproduction, especially at angles - but if nobody every points it out or show them the problem it doesn't matter to most people. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
and the whole point of going through reddit comments is filtering for yourself what's flawed and what's not | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 24 2015 03:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: you know p6 a lot of reddit is pretty good at not bullshitting, e.g., askscience, askhistory, and some of the specialized tech oriented ones... your bias against it is reaching ad hominem levels and the whole point of going through reddit comments is filtering for yourself what's flawed and what's not I am sure, but all the links were to general gaming subreddits, which I avoid like the plague. I got there after some searching. And anyone who played Dark Souls on the 360 can agree that blight town's special power was FPS drop, because god damn. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
For those wondering | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On March 24 2015 02:52 Plansix wrote: People would still whine that it wasn't 60 fps or that the resolution wasn't high enough. They did the same with with Xbox 360 when it was "true HD". Because counting lines is super interesting. Some people care about that stuff, which is great. But the drama and hand wringing around frame rates is just stupid. the hand wringing about framerate is a big deal i remember when apple came out with the retina display and showed diablo 3 playing at 20-25 fps and calling it 'playable', which is a fucking travesty 30 is simply too low for a fluid video game, you can't compare it to something like cinema that plays at 24fps because the platform and intended use is different. in the end you're just sacrificing end-user experience for marginally better visual quality, effects like light shafts and extra particles don't really add to gameplay and half the time the audience takes it in and moves on immediately. i recognize that designing and running a game at 45fps is a real hassle as well because you'd be animating 1.5 frames instead of a nice 1 frame at 30 or 2 frames at 60 On March 24 2015 03:04 SKC wrote: It's a completelly diferent thing. It's not even comparable. You can find tests online where you can clearly see the diference between 40 and 60 fps. The human eye can see much more than that, it doesn't work in "FPS". i worded that poorly, human eyes can 'see' a very high number of frames (something like 1000+) but does it really matter, and can you really tell the difference between 50 and 60, or 40 and 60? in a first person shooter like quake or cs, yes in a top down rts or mmo or everything other than an fps, most people cannot tell the difference unless there are spikes | ||
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