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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 23 2015 15:58 GMT
#20981
On March 24 2015 00:56 Crusnik wrote:
I hope Bloodbourne is better than Dark Souls 2, DkS2 was ass.

Different team. The guy who made DS 1 is making Bloodbourne. From reports the level design is the same, where its a series of interlocking environments. Which is good, because there was nothing more amazing that reaching the well of the world in DS 1 and see the vast sea of giant trees and emptiness.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 16:00:04
March 23 2015 15:59 GMT
#20982
Disagree with 1 being a lot better. Dark Souls 2 lacked the story but the actual gameplay was sooooooooo much better. PvP was actually bearable to play and was the only reason I was playing it recently.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
March 23 2015 16:01 GMT
#20983
Everyone I talked with said Dark Souls 2's PvP was ass, granted, that's mostly the really hardcore PvP'ers.

I actually never got that far in 2 just because the game didn't grab me, it lacked the atmosphere of the first game.
Steam: rook492
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
March 23 2015 16:03 GMT
#20984
On March 24 2015 01:01 Crusnik wrote:
Everyone I talked with said Dark Souls 2's PvP was ass, granted, that's mostly the really hardcore PvP'ers.

I actually never got that far in 2 just because the game didn't grab me, it lacked the atmosphere of the first game.

Dark Souls 2 feels more like an expansion rather than a full fledged sequel.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 23 2015 16:07 GMT
#20985
Yeah, I played DS one for the world and story. The arcs of characters in the world and how you could piece their story together was what made it interesting. The fact that every boss had a back story and motivation behind how they got to where they are was what kept me interested. And on of the bosses/characters were motivated by malice was also critical. The whole game just had this feel that everyone refused to accept their fate.

The bosses in DS2 felt empty and without much character. And there were so many it felt just....blah.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 16:11:25
March 23 2015 16:10 GMT
#20986
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

There several kinds of "hardcore gamers". You don't spend thousands of dollars on a PC and dozens of hours setting things up and downloading mods so that Skyrim looks pretty because only gameplay matters. 30 FPS shit graphics console game is a pretty standard PCMasterRace thing to say. Some of them may also be part of the crowd that wastes hundreds of hours in Dwarf Fortress, but even that doesn't really kill the idea that some games would be much better if they weren't limited by console hardware. A lot of it is also just a reaction from years of shitty ports.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 23 2015 16:14 GMT
#20987
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
March 23 2015 16:16 GMT
#20988
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 23 2015 16:18 GMT
#20989
On March 24 2015 01:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.

They can delay that game as much as they want. We have had to many broken games and I would prefer this one just fucking work.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 16:28:13
March 23 2015 16:23 GMT
#20990
On March 24 2015 01:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.

Like always in game (or even software) development the delays are most likely just to minimize the damage done to the games reputation. My bet is that it will be a fucking mess at release and we get a 2gb patch within a week.
And the enhanced editions wernt only engine work and bug fixing. They actually improved some of the stuff the got feedback for by the players.

Guys do you even know how fucking hard it is to think/speak/write in three different languages all the time. Fuck my fucking spelling.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
March 23 2015 16:27 GMT
#20991
On March 24 2015 01:23 Slomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 01:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.

Like alway in game (or even software) development the delays are most likely just to minimize the damage done to the games reputation. My bet is that it will be a fucking mess at release and we get a 2gb patch within a week.
And the enhanced editions werent only engine work and bug fixing. They actually improved some of the stuff the got feedback for by the players.

One of Gamestar's guys played the game for two days and only encountered three bugs, one was a horse being placed on a pole and the only significant one requiring a restart was some save thing but after resolving it there was no issue.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
March 23 2015 16:32 GMT
#20992
On March 24 2015 01:27 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 01:23 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.

Like alway in game (or even software) development the delays are most likely just to minimize the damage done to the games reputation. My bet is that it will be a fucking mess at release and we get a 2gb patch within a week.
And the enhanced editions werent only engine work and bug fixing. They actually improved some of the stuff the got feedback for by the players.

One of Gamestar's guys played the game for two days and only encountered three bugs, one was a horse being placed on a pole and the only significant one requiring a restart was some save thing but after resolving it there was no issue.


You underestimate the ability of a playerbase to break a game.

Also, am I the only one who never got into Witcher? The story was interesting, but the combat didn't grab me, and in a game like Witcher, if the combat isn't enjoyable, I can't force myself to play it.
Steam: rook492
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 16:34:41
March 23 2015 16:33 GMT
#20993
I am sure a lot of their polish time is getting that thing to run on both PS4 and Xbox 1 at some reasonable rate. The vast majority of optimization is done at the very end of production and the more time they have to test and refine, the better.

I'll just keep packing money away from a PS4.

On March 24 2015 01:32 Crusnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 01:27 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:23 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.

Like alway in game (or even software) development the delays are most likely just to minimize the damage done to the games reputation. My bet is that it will be a fucking mess at release and we get a 2gb patch within a week.
And the enhanced editions werent only engine work and bug fixing. They actually improved some of the stuff the got feedback for by the players.

One of Gamestar's guys played the game for two days and only encountered three bugs, one was a horse being placed on a pole and the only significant one requiring a restart was some save thing but after resolving it there was no issue.


You underestimate the ability of a playerbase to break a game.

Also, am I the only one who never got into Witcher? The story was interesting, but the combat didn't grab me, and in a game like Witcher, if the combat isn't enjoyable, I can't force myself to play it.


The combat was not the reason I played that game. Witch 2 was really good for combat and challenging, but no the reason I came to the show.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
March 23 2015 16:34 GMT
#20994
On March 24 2015 01:32 Crusnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 01:27 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:23 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On March 24 2015 01:14 Slomo wrote:
On March 24 2015 00:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ironic that the people who claim they are the most hardcore gamers and say only gameplay and design matter are usually the ones to jump on, "game has downgrades, graphics are shit, 30 FPS lololol".

Dunno man, I am genereally not interested in all those games. But when somebody of my friends buy them and actually complain then I have to chuckle.
If the devs do a shitty port with horrible menues and fuzzy controls. When the only "graphic settings" the game offers to you are the resolution and a "high - low" switch and it still has absurd hardware requirements despite being 30fps, I wont even consider buying it in a steam sale for two bucks. A shitty technical basis like that always scares me off.

That being said: I WANT THE WITCHER 3 AND I WANT IT NAO!
Or maybe I just wait for the enhanced edition like I did with the previous two games.

Witcher 3 won't have enhanced edition because CDPR want to release about as close to a technically perfect game they can get in one try this time. Explains the delays from February to May.

Like alway in game (or even software) development the delays are most likely just to minimize the damage done to the games reputation. My bet is that it will be a fucking mess at release and we get a 2gb patch within a week.
And the enhanced editions werent only engine work and bug fixing. They actually improved some of the stuff the got feedback for by the players.

One of Gamestar's guys played the game for two days and only encountered three bugs, one was a horse being placed on a pole and the only significant one requiring a restart was some save thing but after resolving it there was no issue.


You underestimate the ability of a playerbase to break a game.

Also, am I the only one who never got into Witcher? The story was interesting, but the combat didn't grab me, and in a game like Witcher, if the combat isn't enjoyable, I can't force myself to play it.

I can understand why people dislike the combat but I found it engaging when you have to keep rhythm. Adding in signs and potions which are toxic add more complexity. The first two chapters are really slow and take some willpower to truck through, but once you get to chapters 3-5 it is all worth it.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 23 2015 16:35 GMT
#20995
You mean the german Gamestar?
They have been treating CDProject with love after they fucked up their test of the first game so hard. Gave it like 75% or and their forums were filled with complaints.
And he still didnt play the complete map with complete quests and stuff. In such a huge hame there will aways be some critical bugs. But as a matter of fact 100,000 people buying the game and playing it for a day is 100x the game time (and indirectly: bug testing) CDProject can do before release.
I just learned to not get my hopes up. Especially with so few single player games I like I cant risk being upset about fuck ups.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
March 23 2015 16:36 GMT
#20996
I dropped Witcher when I got to that fucking horrible swamp area, then I picked it up again later and pretty much marathoned through the entire game and really enjoyed it.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 16:37:41
March 23 2015 16:37 GMT
#20997
im hyped for witcher 3 because of the trailers and some game dev videos i saw but at the same time skeptical because I actually thought the controls/combat of witcher 2 sucked ass. I think i abandoned the game in about 2 hours.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 23 2015 16:39 GMT
#20998
I am 100% the other way. I fucking hated combat in witcher 1 and witcher 2 made it make way more sense. The roll was OP as fuck and blocking could have been better, for sure. But as a whole the combat felt like how I wanted witcher 1 combat to feel.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 23 2015 16:39 GMT
#20999
can i play witcher 2 wihtout playing witcher 1, or do i need to play witcher 1 to get witcher 2
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 16:45:09
March 23 2015 16:41 GMT
#21000
Witcher 3's combat is said to be a fast paced Dark Souls except no rolling. You do a lot more actual footwork dodging and pirouetting which is closer to the novels.

On March 24 2015 01:39 Comeh wrote:
can i play witcher 2 wihtout playing witcher 1, or do i need to play witcher 1 to get witcher 2

Witcher 1 is pretty independent of the other games in the series so you don't have to play it to understand Witcher 2. What I believe is that Witcher 1 is made to introduce non-readers to the series so they compiled elements from the books to introduce them without needing to read them and hardly reference it in Witcher 2. For good measure Witcher 3 will allow you to continue a save file from Witcher 2 but not from Witcher 1 directly because it is so independent and of no consequence to Witcher 3.
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