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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Teams received updated rules from Dreamleague and Alliance were the only team that noticed that the rules left out the rule about coaches not being allowed to communicate with the players during the matches. So Alliance had ppd on the comms during their matches making calls and other stuff. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
second, they did the same with CSGO because of the bug abuse some coaches did, so i guess this comes from there | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Feels really sleazy from Alliance. But considering the money on the line, I probably would've done the same. They said they confirmed the rules with the rule admins, but I'm pretty sure it was just something like 'So next season we play according to the new rules and the new rules are final, correct?' I doubt if they asked 'so if we have ppd in on the coms during the entire match it's cool right?' any admin would just say yes. On the other hand, I think you could easily make a case for this being 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' by Alliance, which is in the rules. That's a catch-all rule for I think situations exactly like this, Alliance took an advantage (a rather massive one) of a clear mistake in the rules. | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7736 Posts
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
On May 12 2021 21:51 cecek wrote: Thoughts on Alliance coaching drama? Teams received updated rules from Dreamleague and Alliance were the only team that noticed that the rules left out the rule about coaches not being allowed to communicate with the players during the matches. So Alliance had ppd on the comms during their matches making calls and other stuff. its cheating at worst and super scummy at best im sure that they didnt msg the admins checking if it was okay, they just saw a loophole and decided to try it | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On May 12 2021 22:26 PoulsenB wrote: Exploiting a loophole like that is definitely bad sportsmanship, especially if they were the only ones that did it. It was not a loophole. It was clearly stated in the rules to be allowed. There is nobody but ESL/Dreamleague to blame for this shitty rule and communication regarding it. Alliance being the only team to make use of it is not their fault. Should they have brought it up in their discussion round with other teams? Maybe, that could be considered bad sportsmanship. However, this is an F1 fan speaking. A sport where finding loopholes is a substantial part of the rule sets. "Let them have it and ban it for the future." is a ruling I really can get behind. On May 12 2021 23:17 Faruko wrote: They never asked, they are just lying lol Lets be real here. They sent Valve an Email. Valve never replied. ESL changed rules regardless. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Willard V Samuels
United States1 Post
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
On May 13 2021 03:41 Willard V Samuels wrote: Very nice community. what brand of office stool should i purchase? | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
On May 13 2021 00:28 Slomo wrote: It was not a loophole. It was clearly stated in the rules to be allowed. There is nobody but ESL/Dreamleague to blame for this shitty rule and communication regarding it. Alliance being the only team to make use of it is not their fault. Should they have brought it up in their discussion round with other teams? Maybe, that could be considered bad sportsmanship. However, this is an F1 fan speaking. A sport where finding loopholes is a substantial part of the rule sets. "Let them have it and ban it for the future." is a ruling I really can get behind. Lets be real here. They sent Valve an Email. Valve never replied. ESL changed rules regardless. forgive my ignorance, but i was under the impression that ESL simply removed the coach rules stating you CAN'T use a 6th player -- then a team included a 6th player saying "it wasnt against the rules" and ESL said "we didnt notify Valve we changed the rules that they gave us, our bad" is this not correct? i would STILL say that the team is scummy given that it has virtually ALWAYS been against the rules and deemed unsavory to use a 6th player, it was never viewed as something 'okay' and was so mutually agreed upon as wrong that it was never really discussed, or included in most smaller rulesets because it was never brought up it would be like making a law that says you can't create some huge domino machine that drops giant boulders on people, like it should just be assumed that you shouldnt | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7080 Posts
On May 13 2021 04:15 harodihg wrote: forgive my ignorance, but i was under the impression that ESL simply removed the coach rules stating you CAN'T use a 6th player -- then a team included a 6th player saying "it wasnt against the rules" and ESL said "we didnt notify Valve we changed the rules that they gave us, our bad" is this not correct? i would STILL say that the team is scummy given that it has virtually ALWAYS been against the rules and deemed unsavory to use a 6th player, it was never viewed as something 'okay' and was so mutually agreed upon as wrong that it was never really discussed, or included in most smaller rulesets because it was never brought up it would be like making a law that says you can't create some huge domino machine that drops giant boulders on people, like it should just be assumed that you shouldnt DreamLeagues statement says that they modified their coaching rule to “allow coaches to participate in team communication during gameplay” but they didn’t get the rule change cleared by Valve This is 100% on DH/ESL | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
it can lead to some nasty situations that you will have to accept because its not part of the rules | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7736 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
1.25€ for like 20 hours of fun and counting. I can finally use the macro knowledge I gained through watching StarCraft to beat the mission I never could as a kid. Oh, it's actually free now lol. You can download it on various sites Though I'm not sure whether it's the Weidescreen high resolution variant | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 13 2021 01:59 PassiveAce wrote: I'm with slomo. What's wrong with a team knowing the rules of the game better than their opponents and taking advantage? Same here, read the manual people | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On May 13 2021 05:17 Faruko wrote: I mean it's a game so not a matter of life or death, but exploitation of rules is not something that should be allowed, anywhere. it can lead to some nasty situations that you will have to accept because its not part of the rules Then as they have done, the rules will be updated. It's great when a team finds a way to gain an edge without cheating either because somebody else screwed up and nobody noticed, or because they thought of something nobody else had done before them. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
I mean, theorically speaking, laws are, more or less based on the moral of the society. But whatever, this is for stuff way more important than a coach being part of a game lol | ||
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