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On June 28 2020 05:43 Artisreal wrote:
You did exactly the thing you criticise yourself just now.
yeah maybe, i dunno. At least I don't think I'm better than anybody else or that I'm a saint making the world a better place. That's my main beef with all this 'activism'.
Kinda hate all of esports and gaming now tho, not gonna lie. I guess all these incidents is what happens when socially inept people suddenly get the slightest bit of relevance and fame very quickly. On the other hand, it's not exclusive to gaming and esports in any way.
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I take it back its good.
Yeh, the polarization of everything makes it hard to figure out wtf is going on or where you stand.
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On June 28 2020 06:30 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2020 05:43 Artisreal wrote:
You did exactly the thing you criticise yourself just now. yeah maybe, i dunno. At least I don't think I'm better than anybody else or that I'm a saint making the world a better place. That's my main beef with all this 'activism'. Kinda hate all of esports and gaming now tho, not gonna lie. I guess all these incidents is what happens when socially inept people suddenly get the slightest bit of relevance and fame very quickly. On the other hand, it's not exclusive to gaming and esports in any way.
Not putting one above everyone else is a good thing.
Activism is a first step for some and probably for others just a way of adhering to the flavour of the month thing to do. And still another thing for others.
This does good for the community imo and I've participate in calling out people I see gaslighting and downplaying the incidents.
It's good to remember that nobody is perfect and maybe the zyori story can show that. Idk.
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On June 28 2020 07:01 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2020 06:30 cecek wrote:On June 28 2020 05:43 Artisreal wrote:
You did exactly the thing you criticise yourself just now. yeah maybe, i dunno. At least I don't think I'm better than anybody else or that I'm a saint making the world a better place. That's my main beef with all this 'activism'. Kinda hate all of esports and gaming now tho, not gonna lie. I guess all these incidents is what happens when socially inept people suddenly get the slightest bit of relevance and fame very quickly. On the other hand, it's not exclusive to gaming and esports in any way. Not putting one above everyone else is a good thing. Activism is a first step for some and probably for others just a way of adhering to the flavour of the month thing to do. And still another thing for others. This does good for the community imo and I've participate in calling out people I see gaslighting and downplaying the incidents. It's good to remember that nobody is perfect and maybe the zyori story can show that. Idk.
My problem is that right now, the stance of many people is "Racists/sexists are the bad guys. We are the good guys and we don't talk to the bad guys." So then instead of any debate whatsoever we just have a process of determining who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. That's how the activism looks like, telling other people who the bad guys are. This happens so much. And when you tell people that you don't like this, then of course you're the bad guy.
I hate this. People need to speak against it. But people don't, because the easiest thing you can do is become the 'good guy' and point at somebody else.
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The extreme end of call-out/cancel culture can be fairly toxic, and the opposite end of the spectrum with people legitimately victim blaming or endlessly defending the accused is also a major issue.
My biggest issue is with all of the people in between those extremes that seem to be in agreement with 95-99% of everything happening, but they just argue over that last few percent and then deem everyone else as shitty/bad if they don't see eye to eye.
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On June 28 2020 05:36 cecek wrote:
Morals are so easy nowadays. All you need: Call someone sexist/racist, therefore establish that you are a better person than the one you called out.
That's it, you can now feel good about yourself and pat yourself on the back that you are making the world a better place. Bigots destroyed.
the term you're looking for is virtue signalling
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oof dark s3 starting strong with a great schopenhauer quote
real excite for it havent been looking forward to a tv show since mby breaking bad s5.2
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Man the rest of Twitch is imploding with allegations. Good lord.
Also, Dark is a great series. Glad S3 is out.
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On June 28 2020 07:45 TheEmulator wrote:
The extreme end of call-out/cancel culture can be fairly toxic, and the opposite end of the spectrum with people legitimately victim blaming or endlessly defending the accused is also a major issue.
My biggest issue is with all of the people in between those extremes that seem to be in agreement with 95-99% of everything happening, but they just argue over that last few percent and then deem everyone else as shitty/bad if they don't see eye to eye. 'cause if they don't clearly define a line, they fear they could be next. the uncertainty is more troubling than those 95%.
basically, you fear (what you consider)stupid people.
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I might be misunderstanding you because of what's going on right now. If so, apologies.
If you clearly define a line it's easier to "cheekily" tiptoe it with bad intentions. That's why incels want a binding if --> then sheet of how to get into women's pants. Do they don't have to read situations, emotions, have to suffer from rejection.
If people use their brain, common sense, a wee bit of decency with a sprinkle of empathy, accept mistakes and honestly try to learn from them, instead of trying to brainlessly follow a guide as if life were a computer game to achieve their goals, it'd be nice for a change.
And of course it's not only individual mistakes, were also talking about a cultural change in society. Toxic masculinity is the term we're looking for in that regard.
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On June 28 2020 15:26 Artisreal wrote:
I might be misunderstanding you because of what's going on right now. If so, apologies.
If you clearly define a line it's easier to "cheekily" tiptoe it with bad intentions. That's why incels want a binding if --> then sheet of how to get into women's pants. Do they don't have to read situations, emotions, have to suffer from rejection.
If people use their brain, common sense, a wee bit of decency with a sprinkle of empathy, accept mistakes and honestly try to learn from them, instead of trying to brainlessly follow a guide as if life were a computer game to achieve their goals, it'd be nice for a change.
And of course it's not only individual mistakes, were also talking about a cultural change in society. Toxic masculinity is the term we're looking for in that regard. you ironically understood the point; you understood the 5% you're apart of while trying to pose as a 95%'er (my pov at least).
people use their brain, common sense, a wee bit of decency with a sprinkle of empathy ... those are not a given for any human being. those are values that arise through interaction, from an early age, with other human beings, within different contexts.
that early interaction allows for close, person to person negotiation to happen, negotiation during which those values are established. you attach to those some cultural/parenting values, and you come out an allegedly decent human being.
(i had more on all your points but i gtg now).
Edit: to continue - i was asking for a (demarcation/crossover)line to know what i should or shouldn't prosecute+ Show Spoiler +i'm not a prosecutor, obviously
because evolution(or involution) happens and morals/ethics change, you need from time to time to redefine things, legally or otherwise; keeping them blurry, as you seem to like, only leads to more social divisiveness during which chaos reigns and crimes go unpunished.
i'll skip the whole incel part because what i'll do there if i had the possibility, is to pay for their (mandatory)therapy sessions.
(i'll throw in a female actor to negotiate with them the ins and outs of sexual socialization(totally consensual)).
i'll leave the needed cultural changes and toxic masculinity discussion for another time because i see them as failed concepts from the start. you try to use them to drive change but by their own definition(or lack of) they cant do that.
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@artisreal where do you stand on the Aziz Ansari situation from the metoo movement?
Damn Dave Chapelle figured this out in 2004 lmao
https://vimeo.com/183089808
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On June 28 2020 16:23 CorsairHero wrote:@artisreal where do you stand on the Aziz Ansari situation from the metoo movement?
Damn Dave Chapelle figured this out in 2004 lmao https://vimeo.com/183089808
That's a good question. I don't remember much apart from being shocked by the allegation and a feeling of a weak retort by Ansari but would have to revisit the ordeal to give you an answer.
Let me see when I can find the time to do that.
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On June 28 2020 11:38 teddyoojo wrote:
oof dark s3 starting strong with a great schopenhauer quote
real excite for it havent been looking forward to a tv show since mby breaking bad s5.2
1 episode to go, this season is fantastic.
Also everyone should watch, how to sell drugs online, another german masterpiece
And yes, the last time i was this excited about a show final season was Breaking Bad 5.2
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finished Dark, i'm shock, IT ALL MAKES SENSE, THEY MADE DARK MAKE SENSE, can't wait for the creators next project
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Is that the end of the series?
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i bet at the end he wakes up and it was all a dream
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On June 29 2020 01:09 PassiveAce wrote:
Is that the end of the series?
yep, 3 seasons, 26 episodes
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On June 29 2020 01:14 teddyoojo wrote:
i bet at the end he wakes up and it was all a dream
Mr robot did this in like the fifth episode of the first season and I almost threw the remote through the tv
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