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On June 27 2020 03:10 Nevuk wrote:
First accusation was just about Grant grabbing someone's wrist while drunk. Pretty tame, he apologized, they accepted, more info came out about him shortly after that.
didn't zyori's come out first? at least, that's the one i was referring to.
from what I'm reading, neither those allegations are as bad as what their accusers are spinning them as
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Grant's first thing dropped like a day before everyone else. I think Llama and the Zyori thing got dropped at almost the same time.
The thing about Zyori is that while his accuser is a little nutty, the story reveals a lot of issues with the scene, from either perspective. He effectively slept with someone whom he felt somewhat responsible for hiring, and felt like he had to lie about having slept with her for cred at the studio even before that happened.
She seemed like she wasn't sure if he was doing a quid pro quo deal or looking for a relationship, and gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. (He claims he was - so both were looking for a relationship and failed to communicate it, if both of them are being perfectly honest). Calling it subtle rape is definitely not correct, but most people don't have a wide vocabulary for this sort of issue. Ashni not being the most coherent communicator hasn't helped.
Zyori seems in no danger of being cancelled by anyone but his story reveals the most damning stuff about bts imo, and the most relevant for "widespread" misogyny being alleged. Grant and Tobi's stories don't reveal other people behaving badly or pushing them to behave like they do. Pretty much no one is asking for Zyori to leave the scene (I'm not sure even his initial accuser asked for that).
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And now botjira who was one of the first accuser, accused singsing of sexual abuse because he didn't want to commit in a relationship with her. How to shoot yourself in the foot 101.
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Maaan, this whole ordeal just makes me fucking sad. Nowhere feels safe. Don't wanna go play dota with my current set of dota buddies 'cause I'm pretty sure someone's gonna pipe up with a "tobi's a rapist LUL" and I'm not gonna be able to stop myself from yelling at them, and debates for this stuff feel so polarized and unyielding.
Tried to watch Merlini stream, but even there shit was going down. I know it's selfish to just wanna escape it, but I just wanna escape it.
(To be clear I'd yell at them for a comment like that because it's disgusting and tragic that these people were in our community and minimizing their offenses is a poor path forward. Not because I'd immediately take offense to someone calling Tobi a rapist)
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On June 27 2020 09:58 Nevuk wrote:
Grant's first thing dropped like a day before everyone else. I think Llama and the Zyori thing got dropped at almost the same time.
The thing about Zyori is that while his accuser is a little nutty, the story reveals a lot of issues with the scene, from either perspective. He effectively slept with someone whom he felt somewhat responsible for hiring, and felt like he had to lie about having slept with her for cred at the studio even before that happened.
She seemed like she wasn't sure if he was doing a quid pro quo deal or looking for a relationship, and gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. (He claims he was - so both were looking for a relationship and failed to communicate it, if both of them are being perfectly honest). Calling it subtle rape is definitely not correct, but most people don't have a wide vocabulary for this sort of issue. Ashni not being the most coherent communicator hasn't helped.
Zyori seems in no danger of being cancelled by anyone but his story reveals the most damning stuff about bts imo, and the most relevant for "widespread" misogyny being alleged. Grant and Tobi's stories don't reveal other people behaving badly or pushing them to behave like they do. Pretty much no one is asking for Zyori to leave the scene (I'm not sure even his initial accuser asked for that).
think my point is that both of zyori's accusers bring up credibility issues that no doubt will be applied to other people coming out with legitimate grievances, not that i'm afraid of people being booted from their jobs/careers
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On June 27 2020 14:28 Fleetfeet wrote:
Maaan, this whole ordeal just makes me fucking sad. Nowhere feels safe. Don't wanna go play dota with my current set of dota buddies 'cause I'm pretty sure someone's gonna pipe up with a "tobi's a rapist LUL" and I'm not gonna be able to stop myself from yelling at them, and debates for this stuff feel so polarized and unyielding.
Tried to watch Merlini stream, but even there shit was going down. I know it's selfish to just wanna escape it, but I just wanna escape it.
(To be clear I'd yell at them for a comment like that because it's disgusting and tragic that these people were in our community and minimizing their offenses is a poor path forward. Not because I'd immediately take offense to someone calling Tobi a rapist)
Do you think the people who say 322 in chat are minimizing match fixing as an offense? Did we see an increase of match fixing because of Solo? Did future match fixers since solo receive lesser punishment because of people spamming 322?
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On June 27 2020 15:12 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2020 09:58 Nevuk wrote:
Grant's first thing dropped like a day before everyone else. I think Llama and the Zyori thing got dropped at almost the same time.
The thing about Zyori is that while his accuser is a little nutty, the story reveals a lot of issues with the scene, from either perspective. He effectively slept with someone whom he felt somewhat responsible for hiring, and felt like he had to lie about having slept with her for cred at the studio even before that happened.
She seemed like she wasn't sure if he was doing a quid pro quo deal or looking for a relationship, and gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time. (He claims he was - so both were looking for a relationship and failed to communicate it, if both of them are being perfectly honest). Calling it subtle rape is definitely not correct, but most people don't have a wide vocabulary for this sort of issue. Ashni not being the most coherent communicator hasn't helped.
Zyori seems in no danger of being cancelled by anyone but his story reveals the most damning stuff about bts imo, and the most relevant for "widespread" misogyny being alleged. Grant and Tobi's stories don't reveal other people behaving badly or pushing them to behave like they do. Pretty much no one is asking for Zyori to leave the scene (I'm not sure even his initial accuser asked for that). think my point is that both of zyori's accusers bring up credibility issues that no doubt will be applied to other people coming out with legitimate grievances, not that i'm afraid of people being booted from their jobs/careers
How does the saying go? One bad apple spoils the barrel?
always thought it was bullshit, but its funny in this context
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I'm kind of confused why all the people on Twitter who are mad about the Dr. Disrespect ban are whining about women streamers not getting banned too.
I don't see anyone actually defending dr.d even though twitch hasn't even announced a ban reason.
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On June 27 2020 23:00 PassiveAce wrote:
I'm kind of confused why all the people on Twitter who are mad about the Dr. Disrespect ban are whining about women streamers not getting banned too.
I don't see anyone actually defending dr.d even though twitch hasn't even announced a ban reason.
because people are dumb.
unfortunately the accurate reason for the majority of baffling behavior on the internet
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Dark is going SO WELL, JESUS THIS SHOW IS JUST... INCREDIBLE
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i guess your comment means season 3 is out
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On June 28 2020 03:38 CorsairHero wrote:
i guess your comment means season 3 is out
Released 12 hours ago.
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nice, i just finished El Chapo and was going to start La Casa de Papel but thats gonna be put on hold.
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On June 27 2020 16:02 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2020 14:28 Fleetfeet wrote:
Maaan, this whole ordeal just makes me fucking sad. Nowhere feels safe. Don't wanna go play dota with my current set of dota buddies 'cause I'm pretty sure someone's gonna pipe up with a "tobi's a rapist LUL" and I'm not gonna be able to stop myself from yelling at them, and debates for this stuff feel so polarized and unyielding.
Tried to watch Merlini stream, but even there shit was going down. I know it's selfish to just wanna escape it, but I just wanna escape it.
(To be clear I'd yell at them for a comment like that because it's disgusting and tragic that these people were in our community and minimizing their offenses is a poor path forward. Not because I'd immediately take offense to someone calling Tobi a rapist) Do you think the people who say 322 in chat are minimizing match fixing as an offense? Did we see an increase of match fixing because of Solo? Did future match fixers since solo receive lesser punishment because of people spamming 322?
Nah, my 'You're sexist' radar is just dialed really high right now, because of all the victim blaming shit floating around. Also part of the problem is dudes being complicit in casual sexism, so just hanging out with the boys doesn't feel great.
It's also something I care about.
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On June 28 2020 03:52 CorsairHero wrote:
nice, i just finished El Chapo and was going to start La Casa de Papel but thats gonna be put on hold.
yw
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La casa de papel is great, but i always feel every season is unnecesary long and some of the characters are downright stupid, like annoyingly so.
still the whole thing is great, definetely the sum is greater than the parts
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On June 28 2020 04:07 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2020 16:02 CorsairHero wrote:On June 27 2020 14:28 Fleetfeet wrote:
Maaan, this whole ordeal just makes me fucking sad. Nowhere feels safe. Don't wanna go play dota with my current set of dota buddies 'cause I'm pretty sure someone's gonna pipe up with a "tobi's a rapist LUL" and I'm not gonna be able to stop myself from yelling at them, and debates for this stuff feel so polarized and unyielding.
Tried to watch Merlini stream, but even there shit was going down. I know it's selfish to just wanna escape it, but I just wanna escape it.
(To be clear I'd yell at them for a comment like that because it's disgusting and tragic that these people were in our community and minimizing their offenses is a poor path forward. Not because I'd immediately take offense to someone calling Tobi a rapist) Do you think the people who say 322 in chat are minimizing match fixing as an offense? Did we see an increase of match fixing because of Solo? Did future match fixers since solo receive lesser punishment because of people spamming 322? Nah, my 'You're sexist' radar is just dialed really high right now, because of all the victim blaming shit floating around. Also part of the problem is dudes being complicit in casual sexism, so just hanging out with the boys doesn't feel great. It's also something I care about.
<3<3<3
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this is it. I've actually solved EVERYTHING. From the man that brought you the solution to racism I bring to you now the solution to misogyny:
just tell people you don't see gender, just as you don't see races
this is it dihg, you are a genius!
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Morals are so easy nowadays. All you need: Call someone sexist/racist, therefore establish that you are a better person than the one you called out.
That's it, you can now feel good about yourself and pat yourself on the back that you are making the world a better place. Bigots destroyed.
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You did exactly the thing you criticise yourself just now.
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