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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 15:18:58
September 03 2019 15:18 GMT
#202701
Did you play either of the other two?

I think XSEED got the memo though, both Trails of Cold Steel I and II have the ability to speed up time and skip battle animations. What a life saver honestly.
kiss kiss fall in love
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 16:03:13
September 03 2019 16:02 GMT
#202702
On September 03 2019 23:57 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 09:06 Nevuk wrote:
Ys Viii is actually really good. Its only weakness is that the first chapters drag a little, and the who I would think of as the real main character doesn't show up til like 20 hours in. Also has basically 0 relationship to previous ys games(which is normal for the series).

Dragged the same way Trails in the Sky dragged? Because I like dragging like that. That was a lot of fun.

Unleashing I'd rather not ask for an exhaustive list, but what in particular did you not enjoy about BFA?

They're by the same company. So yeah, pretty much. The Ys before 7 were really minimal on the story, so it wasn't until 8 and memories that the storyline was really a part of the focus.

The downside to the series is that there is a silent protagonist who is pretty boring, even for a silent protagonist. Some people have said Ys is the origin of arpgs, and they're pretty good at them. 8 is sorta hard, while previous ones were very hard.

Trails 3 has a turbo button built in, so you can zoom through battles. I play turn based jrpgs real fast myself.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 03 2019 16:34 GMT
#202703
On September 04 2019 00:18 intotheheart wrote:
Did you play either of the other two?

I think XSEED got the memo though, both Trails of Cold Steel I and II have the ability to speed up time and skip battle animations. What a life saver honestly.

I played the first one for a couple hours and liked it. Which one would you recommend to someone who's probably only gonna play one of them?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 03 2019 16:45 GMT
#202704
Think of the first two as one game and the third as the epilogue. So the first if you only want to play one.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 17:20:13
September 03 2019 17:11 GMT
#202705
On September 04 2019 01:02 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 23:57 intotheheart wrote:
On September 03 2019 09:06 Nevuk wrote:
Ys Viii is actually really good. Its only weakness is that the first chapters drag a little, and the who I would think of as the real main character doesn't show up til like 20 hours in. Also has basically 0 relationship to previous ys games(which is normal for the series).

Dragged the same way Trails in the Sky dragged? Because I like dragging like that. That was a lot of fun.

Unleashing I'd rather not ask for an exhaustive list, but what in particular did you not enjoy about BFA?

They're by the same company. So yeah, pretty much. The Ys before 7 were really minimal on the story, so it wasn't until 8 and memories that the storyline was really a part of the focus.

The downside to the series is that there is a silent protagonist who is pretty boring, even for a silent protagonist. Some people have said Ys is the origin of arpgs, and they're pretty good at them. 8 is sorta hard, while previous ones were very hard.

Trails 3 has a turbo button built in, so you can zoom through battles. I play turn based jrpgs real fast myself.

Wait which button was this? How'd I miss it?

Also Passive you might wanna play Trails 1 just because Trails 2/3 require you to know about both the events of the first few games and the characters. And Trails 2/3 both have huge casts which they're not good at re-introducing iirc. I know some franchises try to reintroduce things as necessary (think Harry Potter books) but Trails really doesn't care 2 cents about that.

I would also beg you to only speed up the combat in Trails 1 since you might miss out on the incredible amount of work that went into world building and atmosphere. Trails 3 could be fun if you're quite literally willing to not bother with paying attention to the story since it's the most combat oriented one as well. It was also the shortest one I think. But if you're not paying attention to the story of Trails I'd argue you might just wind up with a pretty unfulfilling experience. A lot of other JRPGs exist and many have better core gameplay if I had to guess.
kiss kiss fall in love
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 18:17:39
September 03 2019 17:59 GMT
#202706
Ok il go for the first one, thanks guys!
What jrpg would you recommend to someone who cares more about the core gameplay loop and challenging encounters than the story?

Unrelated- there's a guy I learn from at the jiu jitsu gym who has a bright multicolored punk mohawk so whenever we spar he gets neon-colored cyberpunk sweat all over his face that tie-dyes my gi

Also I lost today to a move called the "gogoplata" which is like the Jiu-Jitsu equivalent of losing to mass battlecruisers. Feelsbadman
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
September 03 2019 18:03 GMT
#202707
The Witcher 3
passive quaranstream fan
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 18:07:57
September 03 2019 18:07 GMT
#202708
The franchise Tales is more about the combat and less on world building, with nice real-time encounters. The story's not a slouch, but the worldbuilding and writing are definitely not in the driver's seat. You can find Symphonia and Berseria on Steam. I've played them both and they're quite good, and Berseria lets you choose a high difficulty right away, and has a ton of optional fights which are pretty sweet. The core gameplay can be pretty button-mashy in Symphonia but I felt like Berseria did a good job balancing the combat to be a lot more interesting.

I've been told Vesperia is a must-play for anyone who likes that sort of thing (also available on Steam) but I'll let ShiaoPi chime in as I know he's actually played it.
kiss kiss fall in love
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 18:11:47
September 03 2019 18:10 GMT
#202709
I played Symphonia way back in the day on GameCube I think. also star ocean: till the end of time, which had a similar combat system and the most batshit crazy story iv ever seen in a game.

I played a little bit of berseria but remember not really liking it for some reason. Il give vesperia a shot maybe
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 03 2019 18:15 GMT
#202710
Final Fantasy Tactics if that counts
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 18:18:17
September 03 2019 18:18 GMT
#202711
FFT with a speedhack might be extremely fun
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 03 2019 18:38 GMT
#202712
On September 04 2019 03:10 PassiveAce wrote:
I played Symphonia way back in the day on GameCube I think. also star ocean: till the end of time, which had a similar combat system and the most batshit crazy story iv ever seen in a game.

I played a little bit of berseria but remember not really liking it for some reason. Il give vesperia a shot maybe

If you didn't like Berseria, I've been told Vesperia's quite different. I think one issue I had with Berseria was that you needed to keep your soul count up to really do anything. I liked it but remember getting 1hko'd by stuff all the time haha. I also liked it a ton with Japanese audio since Rina Satou's just an absolute beast when it comes to her work.

Symphonia on Steam is the PS2(?) release which means you get a few extra dungeons, which might be pretty fun to nibble through if you're down to beat the entire campaign first.
kiss kiss fall in love
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28098 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 21:23:04
September 03 2019 21:20 GMT
#202713
On September 03 2019 23:34 Unleashing wrote:
I'm playing classic and having a blast. Literally the most fun I've had with any game in years.

Also most fun i've had with WoW since wotlk. To me BFA is without a singular doubt the worst iteration of the game, worse than even WoD with its garrison bullshit.

Really impressive that they went from the best recent expansion in Legion to the worst.

BFA raiding is great at least, and the dungeons are decent for M+. Everything else is pretty poorly designed though, and I could completely understand 99% of the player base feeling like there is nothing to do but do but log in and finish their dailies for almost no reason.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 03 2019 21:50 GMT
#202714
On September 04 2019 02:11 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2019 01:02 Nevuk wrote:
On September 03 2019 23:57 intotheheart wrote:
On September 03 2019 09:06 Nevuk wrote:
Ys Viii is actually really good. Its only weakness is that the first chapters drag a little, and the who I would think of as the real main character doesn't show up til like 20 hours in. Also has basically 0 relationship to previous ys games(which is normal for the series).

Dragged the same way Trails in the Sky dragged? Because I like dragging like that. That was a lot of fun.

Unleashing I'd rather not ask for an exhaustive list, but what in particular did you not enjoy about BFA?

They're by the same company. So yeah, pretty much. The Ys before 7 were really minimal on the story, so it wasn't until 8 and memories that the storyline was really a part of the focus.

The downside to the series is that there is a silent protagonist who is pretty boring, even for a silent protagonist. Some people have said Ys is the origin of arpgs, and they're pretty good at them. 8 is sorta hard, while previous ones were very hard.

Trails 3 has a turbo button built in, so you can zoom through battles. I play turn based jrpgs real fast myself.

Wait which button was this? How'd I miss it?

Also Passive you might wanna play Trails 1 just because Trails 2/3 require you to know about both the events of the first few games and the characters. And Trails 2/3 both have huge casts which they're not good at re-introducing iirc. I know some franchises try to reintroduce things as necessary (think Harry Potter books) but Trails really doesn't care 2 cents about that.

I would also beg you to only speed up the combat in Trails 1 since you might miss out on the incredible amount of work that went into world building and atmosphere. Trails 3 could be fun if you're quite literally willing to not bother with paying attention to the story since it's the most combat oriented one as well. It was also the shortest one I think. But if you're not paying attention to the story of Trails I'd argue you might just wind up with a pretty unfulfilling experience. A lot of other JRPGs exist and many have better core gameplay if I had to guess.

It's in the settings for all of them now on pc:
https://www.siliconera.com/2017/08/07/turbo-mode-added-legend-heroes-trails-sky-pc-entries/

I think it's also part of the EVO vita ports but I can't remember super well.
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-04 00:00:09
September 03 2019 23:37 GMT
#202715
On September 04 2019 06:20 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 23:34 Unleashing wrote:
I'm playing classic and having a blast. Literally the most fun I've had with any game in years.

Also most fun i've had with WoW since wotlk. To me BFA is without a singular doubt the worst iteration of the game, worse than even WoD with its garrison bullshit.

Really impressive that they went from the best recent expansion in Legion to the worst.

BFA raiding is great at least, and the dungeons are decent for M+. Everything else is pretty poorly designed though, and I could completely understand 99% of the player base feeling like there is nothing to do but do but log in and finish their dailies for almost no reason.



Ya if you don’t mythic raid or m+ more than one 10 a week then bfa is pretty bad. It’s quite ironic that while the primary complaint is that modern wow is too ‘casual friendly’ it’s actually turning out the opposite. There is absolutely zero casual content that feels rewarding to casuals. (Things like grinding pearls or ap are actually only rewarding to mythic raiders who hate it. Rofl) classic on the other hand is literally all casual content but it actually feels rewarding. (On the other hand dungeons are actually boring as fuck, and based on watching streams raids are no better. Heh) there’s just legit no mechanics whatsoever compared to modern high end wow. Anyways all that said since I’m done with all my raider chores (ap/benthic/etc) I play classic now in the times when I’d otherwise do that and only do actual content on retail.

(If it matters I did originally start playing wow back at the tail end of classic although I did not raid back then and ya I’ve spent a good portion of the last 14 years playing this game.)

Yo ith any discussion yet on Lover? I’m not really decided yet but it’s a million times better than reputation which I listened too once and swore off tswift for a year.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
September 04 2019 00:51 GMT
#202716
On September 04 2019 02:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Ok il go for the first one, thanks guys!
What jrpg would you recommend to someone who cares more about the core gameplay loop and challenging encounters than the story?

Unrelated- there's a guy I learn from at the jiu jitsu gym who has a bright multicolored punk mohawk so whenever we spar he gets neon-colored cyberpunk sweat all over his face that tie-dyes my gi

Also I lost today to a move called the "gogoplata" which is like the Jiu-Jitsu equivalent of losing to mass battlecruisers. Feelsbadman

not as embarassing as losing to a move called the twister which has only happened once in UFC iirc
© Current year.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-04 01:54:52
September 04 2019 01:52 GMT
#202717
On September 04 2019 09:51 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2019 02:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Ok il go for the first one, thanks guys!
What jrpg would you recommend to someone who cares more about the core gameplay loop and challenging encounters than the story?

Unrelated- there's a guy I learn from at the jiu jitsu gym who has a bright multicolored punk mohawk so whenever we spar he gets neon-colored cyberpunk sweat all over his face that tie-dyes my gi

Also I lost today to a move called the "gogoplata" which is like the Jiu-Jitsu equivalent of losing to mass battlecruisers. Feelsbadman

not as embarassing as losing to a move called the twister which has only happened once in UFC iirc

Another example of Korean excellence
Shout out Chan Sung Jung

I lost to a different kind of spine lock once but it was gi only
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
September 04 2019 03:38 GMT
#202718
On September 04 2019 02:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Ok il go for the first one, thanks guys!
What jrpg would you recommend to someone who cares more about the core gameplay loop and challenging encounters than the story?

Unrelated- there's a guy I learn from at the jiu jitsu gym who has a bright multicolored punk mohawk so whenever we spar he gets neon-colored cyberpunk sweat all over his face that tie-dyes my gi

Also I lost today to a move called the "gogoplata" which is like the Jiu-Jitsu equivalent of losing to mass battlecruisers. Feelsbadman

gogoplata boy
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
September 04 2019 04:08 GMT
#202719
On September 04 2019 10:52 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2019 09:51 CorsairHero wrote:
On September 04 2019 02:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Ok il go for the first one, thanks guys!
What jrpg would you recommend to someone who cares more about the core gameplay loop and challenging encounters than the story?

Unrelated- there's a guy I learn from at the jiu jitsu gym who has a bright multicolored punk mohawk so whenever we spar he gets neon-colored cyberpunk sweat all over his face that tie-dyes my gi

Also I lost today to a move called the "gogoplata" which is like the Jiu-Jitsu equivalent of losing to mass battlecruisers. Feelsbadman

not as embarassing as losing to a move called the twister which has only happened once in UFC iirc

Another example of Korean excellence
Shout out Chan Sung Jung

I lost to a different kind of spine lock once but it was gi only

next ld gd meetup better happen on a ufc night
© Current year.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
September 04 2019 06:19 GMT
#202720
0 roster leaks = 0 hype
dead dota2 scene smh
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