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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 18:42:00
July 27 2012 18:41 GMT
#15361
On July 28 2012 03:17 [17]Purple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 00:55 Catch]22 wrote:
I dont remember KotLs wave being quite so ENORMOUS in Dota 1, but I stopped playing it when HoN came out. Nice to see the new Visage, faced a guy who did impressive things with the familiars.

KotL's Iluminate has always had a very deceptive radius in DotA 1, it was about twice as big as the in game animations.

This video demonstrates just how misleading the animation in DotA 1 was


(watch from 7:55)
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
July 27 2012 18:52 GMT
#15362
On July 28 2012 02:59 Simberto wrote:
So, i just got a beta key, and have never played dota before, only lol. Which are some good heroes to start off with? I was thinking of some support heroes so i can get to understand the game in general better without completely losing the game instantly.

I played a botgame with crystal maiden, who appears to fit that role, only to instantly be told that she apparently sucks in the second game. Is that true, and in that case, which heroes would be better to choose? I can look up guides and everything on my own, i just need some help choosing a starting point between all those possible heroes.

hey simbert, nice to see you in dota2.
along the support role i'd recommend getting to know some kind of semi-carry/ganker too for those games where your team picks 3 supports first. guess if your team hates CM they already got some supports
easy heroes in general that fit those two roles are the known supports for support role: CM, Veno, Venge, Lich, Bane, WD, SD (wouldn't recommend at start) and for semi-carrys mostly the ones with a reliable stun: Skeleton King (i really recommend this hero for every dota2 starter) and Sven (not as hard carry, just stun supporter) and a bit more advanced Tidehunter and Beastmaster.

with two roles you can fill whats missing in your team better. also all of these heroes are good for teamplay, so you won't get flamed by your team for picking one of these
hollabackk
Profile Joined December 2010
118 Posts
July 27 2012 19:26 GMT
#15363
On July 28 2012 03:52 fleeze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 02:59 Simberto wrote:
So, i just got a beta key, and have never played dota before, only lol. Which are some good heroes to start off with? I was thinking of some support heroes so i can get to understand the game in general better without completely losing the game instantly.

I played a botgame with crystal maiden, who appears to fit that role, only to instantly be told that she apparently sucks in the second game. Is that true, and in that case, which heroes would be better to choose? I can look up guides and everything on my own, i just need some help choosing a starting point between all those possible heroes.

hey simbert, nice to see you in dota2.
along the support role i'd recommend getting to know some kind of semi-carry/ganker too for those games where your team picks 3 supports first. guess if your team hates CM they already got some supports
easy heroes in general that fit those two roles are the known supports for support role: CM, Veno, Venge, Lich, Bane, WD, SD (wouldn't recommend at start) and for semi-carrys mostly the ones with a reliable stun: Skeleton King (i really recommend this hero for every dota2 starter) and Sven (not as hard carry, just stun supporter) and a bit more advanced Tidehunter and Beastmaster.

with two roles you can fill whats missing in your team better. also all of these heroes are good for teamplay, so you won't get flamed by your team for picking one of these


This guy recommended some good heroes especially sven,tide,lich.

CM is the one of the most, if not the most often picked in support incompetitive dota. However, that is vastly different than matchmaking, and she can be hard not to feed with.

If your just playing bot games though, i would recommend practicing a few heroes that look/sound fun to you, as that is the most important thing.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12152 Posts
July 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#15364
On July 28 2012 04:26 hollabackk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 03:52 fleeze wrote:
On July 28 2012 02:59 Simberto wrote:
So, i just got a beta key, and have never played dota before, only lol. Which are some good heroes to start off with? I was thinking of some support heroes so i can get to understand the game in general better without completely losing the game instantly.

I played a botgame with crystal maiden, who appears to fit that role, only to instantly be told that she apparently sucks in the second game. Is that true, and in that case, which heroes would be better to choose? I can look up guides and everything on my own, i just need some help choosing a starting point between all those possible heroes.

hey simbert, nice to see you in dota2.
along the support role i'd recommend getting to know some kind of semi-carry/ganker too for those games where your team picks 3 supports first. guess if your team hates CM they already got some supports
easy heroes in general that fit those two roles are the known supports for support role: CM, Veno, Venge, Lich, Bane, WD, SD (wouldn't recommend at start) and for semi-carrys mostly the ones with a reliable stun: Skeleton King (i really recommend this hero for every dota2 starter) and Sven (not as hard carry, just stun supporter) and a bit more advanced Tidehunter and Beastmaster.

with two roles you can fill whats missing in your team better. also all of these heroes are good for teamplay, so you won't get flamed by your team for picking one of these


This guy recommended some good heroes especially sven,tide,lich.

CM is the one of the most, if not the most often picked in support incompetitive dota. However, that is vastly different than matchmaking, and she can be hard not to feed with.

If your just playing bot games though, i would recommend practicing a few heroes that look/sound fun to you, as that is the most important thing.


Most picked supports are Chen and Enigma, though they are often the secondary support. Of the main supports Venomancer is the most picked and 20% less picked is CM. Venomancer is a nice hero on pubs since your third skill gives great sight.
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
July 27 2012 21:21 GMT
#15365
On July 28 2012 02:59 Simberto wrote:
So, i just got a beta key, and have never played dota before, only lol. Which are some good heroes to start off with? I was thinking of some support heroes so i can get to understand the game in general better without completely losing the game instantly.

I played a botgame with crystal maiden, who appears to fit that role, only to instantly be told that she apparently sucks in the second game. Is that true, and in that case, which heroes would be better to choose? I can look up guides and everything on my own, i just need some help choosing a starting point between all those possible heroes.

Play windrunner.You can play her carry support ganker etc.She is very good at initating and escaping.Doesnt need epic farm to be effective.Overall very good hero imo and pretty fun to play.
日本語が上手ですね
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 27 2012 21:27 GMT
#15366
I would never recommend a brand new player choose windrunner. Most often you're going to be forced into the suicide lane solo. Even if you do get out of the suicide lane solo and team up somewhere you aren't going to be using her effectively at all compared to an easier "new" hero like a lich.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 27 2012 21:36 GMT
#15367
Agreed, plus her two bread and butter skills are skillshots
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 21:39:30
July 27 2012 21:39 GMT
#15368
you will not be forced anywhere if your in a low skill bracket.
I would start with a support to learn the game though.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 27 2012 22:21 GMT
#15369
Most of the times you get sent mid as Windrunner at beginning elo.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
July 27 2012 22:27 GMT
#15370
I tell every new player to play the same hero.

Earthshaker.

Seriously, it's such an easy job to fulfill and one of the most fun.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
July 27 2012 22:42 GMT
#15371
shaking earth ain't ez
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
July 27 2012 22:44 GMT
#15372
new Shaker players can sometimes be a real hindrance with misplaced Fissures and some don't even understand the concept of cast point and wonder why their stun takes so long.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#15373
Even the pro players misplace fissures though. As long as you aren't hindering your team the entire game and having fun then you're good to go
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 22:57:47
July 27 2012 22:56 GMT
#15374
I second lich. great attack animation, ridiculous movespeed, and his spells are incredibly easy to understand/utilize. Plus especially in low matchmaking games, not only will people never build pipe and delay their bkb for hours, half the time you'll be versus teams that are like 3 low hp agi carries, in which case lich can wreck all sorts of shit with a scepter
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
July 27 2012 23:06 GMT
#15375
I'd recommend any hero that doesn't require much farm, really. I think understanding just how much farm you actually need for a carry or semi-carry is hard for new or even semi-new players. My friend, who has 150 games under his belt (mostly as support), will pick a carry or semi-carry, farm for the first 10 minutes and then stop last hitting almost entirely while he wanders around the map hoping for a fight.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
July 27 2012 23:10 GMT
#15376
On July 28 2012 08:06 Yacobs wrote:
I'd recommend any hero that doesn't require much farm, really. I think understanding just how much farm you actually need for a carry or semi-carry is hard for new or even semi-new players. My friend, who has 150 games under his belt (mostly as support), will pick a carry or semi-carry, farm for the first 10 minutes and then stop last hitting almost entirely while he wanders around the map hoping for a fight.


this.

As long as it ain't a hero who require a lot of farm then you are set to go.

I have a little of the same problem, I suck at farming
"Yeah buddy"
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 27 2012 23:25 GMT
#15377
Play lich for your first 20games, watch and learn about the game basics, read and learn all the skills of heroes you see. Or just go pick whatever you like and mess around with the game, everyone was once noob too but prepare to lose game and get flamed xD
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
July 27 2012 23:50 GMT
#15378
The thing about Dota is that it is all about timing. Knowing when to fight, when to farm, when to tp in for assistance etc. Not something that can be easily taught. I normally let the player decide based on some questions I ask them.

If they like to cast spells then I'll ask them to pick lich. If they want to farm I'll get them to play Skel King. A few other questions can help tailor the hero to them thus perhaps maintaining their interest. I think this might be a better approach then say - Here's a hero. Play him for x games. The hero has to interest the player or its no point playing.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 28 2012 00:02 GMT
#15379
On July 28 2012 08:50 Crissaegrim wrote:
The thing about Dota is that it is all about timing. Knowing when to fight, when to farm, when to tp in for assistance etc. Not something that can be easily taught. I normally let the player decide based on some questions I ask them.

If they like to cast spells then I'll ask them to pick lich. If they want to farm I'll get them to play Skel King. A few other questions can help tailor the hero to them thus perhaps maintaining their interest. I think this might be a better approach then say - Here's a hero. Play him for x games. The hero has to interest the player or its no point playing.


If you're recommending SK, one does not simply forget to include CrimsonQueso's guide.
ffxiv enjoyer
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
July 28 2012 00:10 GMT
#15380
Someone told me to solo long lane as Ezalor, vs Morph and Rubick, I didnt die, but I got FAR behind, did I get trolled or is there a good way to do this...?
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