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5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
July 02 2012 10:34 GMT
#13701
On July 02 2012 18:51 Unleashing wrote:
I've been thinking of a static link build for razor.
If the enemies pick a melee hero for mid, going razor with static link could practically win you the lane.

1: Low mana cost so it can be sustained for ages.
2: With unstable current you'll outspeed them and be able to stick close to steal as much damage as possible.
3: With the stolen damage they can't enter lane and can barely last-hit while your last hits are so much easier.

Opinions?

I've gone static + stats many times in lanes against melee. Works fine.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 02 2012 11:07 GMT
#13702
On July 02 2012 18:51 Unleashing wrote:
I've been thinking of a static link build for razor.
If the enemies pick a melee hero for mid, going razor with static link could practically win you the lane.

1: Low mana cost so it can be sustained for ages.
2: With unstable current you'll outspeed them and be able to stick close to steal as much damage as possible.
3: With the stolen damage they can't enter lane and can barely last-hit while your last hits are so much easier.

Opinions?

early link isn't uncommon depending on the opposing team
but it's usually wave + link, and in mid u only need like 3 seconds of link every now and then to get every lasthit
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
July 02 2012 11:57 GMT
#13703
On July 02 2012 19:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 03:43 Unleashing wrote:
http://dota2draft.the-cluster.org/
Check this out, guys.


After I press 'ready' my opponent just leaves after some time, am I doing something wrong?


after ready next part is choosing sides, and first pick, only then the drafting starts. But you get a message to do something so I doubt you could have missed that.

^the static link reminded me:

if I go mid with Brewmaster against invoker, or some similar, strong ranged laner, I like to take drunken haze on lvl2 and "harass with it", meaning I cast it on the hero when a couple of creeps are on low life so i have a chance to get the lasthit/deny. Its only 50 mana, and 45% miss chance already on lvl1. I use it to get early last hits (before lvl2-3 clap) and later its awesome against something like cold snap or viper's orb. I'm just curious how viable you guys think it is? Generally in my experience even if people take it early, they don't use it for laning.
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 02 2012 11:58 GMT
#13704
Razor's nuke skill is very strong in early so i wouldnt leave it out, just time the circle it hits very hard especially to support hero. Whenever i see a NS picker = Razor time. Get at least 1 level of link and trololol at him when he comes gank at night.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 13:01:12
July 02 2012 12:53 GMT
#13705
On July 02 2012 17:39 Percutio wrote:
I'm just not sure how taking 2+ towers doesn't give farm space for DK or Sylla and the supports to boot. Even against midgame heroes it seems like tower gold would be a huge buffer during their peak lethality. That's assuming they themselves had great laning phases which should reasonably come at the cost of the rest of the team.

I get it if item stacked qop and ck push fights all the time versus item mediocre dk/sylla, it won't be great, but reasonably dk/sylla should have support items buffing their teamfight unless they got stuffed completely at the towers.

Edit: I just think it is tough to call heroes like Sk, Ck and venge who want kills to get things done. Especially against a pulling solo or push squads that group up. Might be an interesting game to try considering the relative difficulty and importance of laning well for both teams in this circumstance.


Getting a tower or two doesn't equate to creating space if you have no ability to maintain that space after the laning phase. That Dire team has no ability to fight midgame vs the radiant lineup so even if they do have an advantage from laning phase it has to be a huge advantage to allow Sylla/DK space to farm. Without that huge advantage the radiant team can just force the issue constantly resulting in the Dire team getting rolled in midgame.

If say it was a panda instead of a DK then possibly the panda would have had enough midgame presence to allow the map control to be held through mid game without a huge early game advantage. A DK can be really strong but the kind of strength required for the lineup to create space is just too much. In fact if you had panda instead of DK that lineup would be almost like what mTw have been running last few days to streamroll teams. Panda mid, Sylla solo lane then Veno/Enchant/X(I can't remember).

I think your issue is you have a idea in your head of how things work but instead of thinking outside of that idea you try fit everything to that lone idea. I don't really understand how you can argue with Yango on this.
Primal666
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovenia418 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 13:21:33
July 02 2012 13:21 GMT
#13706
sing synd AND dendi streaming at same time, what is this sorcery!
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
July 02 2012 13:21 GMT
#13707
rapier hyperstone crystalis shadow shaman

looks legit
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
StoRm_res
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland891 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 13:33:55
July 02 2012 13:33 GMT
#13708
double rapier ^^
He can just make everything work ^^
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
July 02 2012 15:49 GMT
#13709
synd finished stream, going to cocast with tobi now
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dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
July 02 2012 15:51 GMT
#13710
lol at dota 2 top 10 weekly ep 15's comments :D

Q: Dear Sunsfan, can you please post a video revealing how the matchmaking system works? Does it match players according to winning rate, consecutive wins, or number of wins over losses???? I'm sure we all want to know that. Please thumb me up so he can see it. Thanks!!!

A: ok ill explain it to you: you start with 1 russian in your team, if you win this game you start with 2 to have increased difficulty, and so on, because we all know russians suck and feed like hell
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
July 02 2012 16:53 GMT
#13711
Me and 1 of my friends have been playing a lot of Dota2 together, trying out many different lane combos, some successful some less so.

We have now begun trying solo lane + forest combo, but aren't sure of what heroes are good solo laners.

We know some like Windrunner and Lich and a few others, and we have tried a couple that wasn't very successful.

So, what do you guys think are good solo laner heroes
"Yeah buddy"
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#13712
Assuming its shortlane

WR
Lone Druid
QoP

are all very good.
WriterXiao8~~
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
July 02 2012 19:18 GMT
#13713
Depends on what you're trying to do. Are you wanting to solo the short lane or the long lane?

If you're sending an offensive dual lane to the hard lane and a solo to the short lane it's better to get someone who can actually help get kills if the jungler you've picked is someone who can come out and be useful. Then someone like QOP is far superior to Syllabear...but it really depends on lineup.

This is probably more in depth than you meant but when you pick the solo you have to look at a number of factors:

What role are they playing on your team, in your team makeup.
Are they going to gank or farm
Can/do you want them to kill things with your jungler
Can your jungler push towers
And of course what heros do your opponents have?

If you want to pose some theoretical lineups I can give my own opinion on what to pick, but in general some solos that can do well are:

Broodmother
Weaver
Windrunner
Puck
QOP
Venomancer (no escape, don't send him vs a heavy disable lane, but very strong 1v1 short vs long)
Syllabear (same as veno)
Mirana
Clinkz
Enigma
Sand King
Beastmaster
Lich

I'm sure you can figure out when certain heros are better than others. You can see a general theme; the heros either have strong lane control, strong escape mecahnisms, or something similar. In the case of someone like beastmaster you're sending them there for a (hopefully) fast solo exp 6 and then using hawk and ult to gank.
babishh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada965 Posts
July 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#13714
servers down? :\
twitch.tv/babishh
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
July 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#13715
Been stuck trying to get a Q going for 1 hour now lol.

I said to myself "one quick game before the gym". Now look what happens haha.

Valve be trollingggggggg.

note: im not in low priority Q.
Skol
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
July 02 2012 19:36 GMT
#13716
Being disconnected from the game after 5 min intervals..Had to abandon 2 matches.Is anybody else also experiencing this?
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 02 2012 20:21 GMT
#13717
When i que i have west and east selected, but then when you press find match they both go unselected and i wait a long ass time. Think its buggy right now aha
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
July 02 2012 22:37 GMT
#13718
Ahahaha oh my god SingSing so mad.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
July 02 2012 22:38 GMT
#13719
I would be to if my friends forces me to play 5man carries
"Yeah buddy"
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
July 02 2012 23:30 GMT
#13720
Hahaha... Tobi and Singsing wrecking face. I hate how Singsing so casually dominates when ever he plays. Makes me depressed
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
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