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On June 29 2012 00:06 EmilA wrote:
Lifesteal was not only gotten because it was the only orb that worked on her. For several years, the "active" on satanic was based on vampiric potion (or something yadda yadda) which caused her to also lifesteal from the bounce. I'll probably still rush hotd on her in pubs (as I do with davion) to start stacking ancients with dominated creeps early. I could totally see mjollnir becoming cookie cutter on her though, as it's so ridiculously strong. Manta also rocks on a hero with such a sick base movementspeed already (and illusions get glaives IIRC?)
Yeah illusions have glaives, spamming your entire screen with them  And Luna is the fastest hero in the game and has very good agi gain(2.8) and the aura she has is also very strong early on (14 damage at level 1) which al put together with highest magical damage at level 7 in the game makes her a scary thing in pubs. She sucks in Comp coz she has to be close to the enemy and is made of wet paper
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Guys I just realized I am so much like Dendi.
Dendi just went mid and got firstblooded and killed two more times by a two man roaming ganksquad, after the third death he said "ok gg" and ragequit to go play DayZ.
Almost exactly that happens to me like three times a day :p
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On June 29 2012 01:03 PassiveAce wrote:
Guys I just realized I am so much like Dendi.
Dendi just went mid and got firstblooded and killed two more times by a two man roaming ganksquad, after the third death he said "ok gg" and ragequit to go play DayZ.
Almost exactly that happens to me like three times a day :p
Wait, really? You need to work on that, if not just for your own self improvement, then for the sake of the other 9 players in the game.
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nah I dont really ragequit because it isnt worth leaver queue, but I do get really irritated and stop playing dota for a while after a frustrating match. (dayz being my other game of choice atm)
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any good streams/youtube channels for noobs? something like day9. i play LoL a lot (a lot) so im not a noob to the genre just to dota.
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On June 29 2012 04:24 Vaporized wrote:
any good streams/youtube channels for noobs? something like day9. i play LoL a lot (a lot) so im not a noob to the genre just to dota.
Watching competitive games is always good, streams such as tobi's, purge's, premier league, etc. Dotacinema do introductory movies on youtube for all new heroes, purge does a few 'tutorial' videos on his youtube channel as well. Watching streams can help as well.
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ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ...
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On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ...
Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope.
I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why.
People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills.
Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit
Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit
Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit
Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit
Jugger: 35% DPS increase
SK: 26% DPS increase
CK: 20% DPS increase
Brew: 25% DPS increase
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On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why.
Had the same with gondar, the moment I tracked someone they'd go behind their own rax in fear xD
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United States47024 Posts
On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why. People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills. Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit Jugger: 35% DPS increase SK: 26% DPS increase CK: 20% DPS increase Brew: 25% DPS increase
You're forgetting about the part where CK absolutely crushes weaker players in lane due to his extremely long engagement range and kill threat.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
also his illusions also deal 100% damage in crits don't they
Also a question, Hex disabled backtrack in Dota 1 did it not?It doesn't in Dota 2 appearently.
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On June 29 2012 05:14 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why. People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills. Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit Jugger: 35% DPS increase SK: 26% DPS increase CK: 20% DPS increase Brew: 25% DPS increase You're forgetting about the part where CK absolutely crushes weaker players in lane due to his extremely long engagement range and kill threat.
and the fact that sometimes 1 crit is all you need to get the kill, so over a long fight ck's crit sucks, but if he pulls/blinks to you and gets a crit first hit, you are probably dead regardless if you are a medium to low health character.
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On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why. People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills. Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit Jugger: 35% DPS increase SK: 26% DPS increase CK: 20% DPS increase Brew: 25% DPS increase
Well that is far from telling the whole picture since not all of those heroes are equally dependant on their autoattack. I.e. some have other sources of damage/disable their autoattack themself in case of blade fury or primal split, whereas CKs spells synergize a lot more with his autoattack imho.
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He's just looking at the crit itself. Doesn't matter the context. If CK had Jugger crit he would be more powerful than his own crit etc. Doesn't matter if Jugger crit or Brew crit doesn't work as well on their heroes, CK with their crit instead of his crit would have a greater dps increase.
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On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why. People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills. Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit Jugger: 35% DPS increase SK: 26% DPS increase CK: 20% DPS increase Brew: 25% DPS increase
nice, now factor in the "Non scary 100% dmg images" and you have a 30% chance to crit for 3x dmg.
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On June 29 2012 06:07 Numy wrote:
He's just looking at the crit itself. Doesn't matter the context. If CK had Jugger crit he would be more powerful than his own crit etc. Doesn't matter if Jugger crit or Brew crit doesn't work as well on their heroes, CK with their crit instead of his crit would have a greater dps increase.
but dps isn't everything. sometimes a lucky crit is better than having good dps.
take CK for instance. if he crits for 3x damage and crits twice in a row, and never crits again for the rest of a team fight, but those 2 crits directly lead toa super fast death of their carry or disabler, the team fight is likely going to be won as long as CK's team plays properly. If in the same scenerio PA has jugg crit and crits throughout, yeah the ck is dealing more damage, but that carry/disabler got away? then all of a sudden the team fight becomes much more difficult to win, even with a higher dps CK.
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On June 29 2012 06:18 tpmraven wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why. People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills. Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit Jugger: 35% DPS increase SK: 26% DPS increase CK: 20% DPS increase Brew: 25% DPS increase nice, now factor in the "Non scary 100% dmg images" and you have a 30% chance to crit for 3x dmg.
No you still only have 10% chance.
And i was comparing crits, not skill kits.
I am in no way calling CK a bad hero, i just think his crit is overestimated.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
CK's crit is like icing on a cake with a cherry on top of it.
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On June 29 2012 06:47 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 06:18 tpmraven wrote:On June 29 2012 04:41 Unleashing wrote:On June 29 2012 04:29 Erasme wrote:
ck really feels like easy mode, more than furi or lycan ... Scrubs have problems with illusions, they think that the second he pops his ult you should just run and give up hope. I'm serious, everytime i play with a CK and he ults the enemies just sort of give up and split up and lose the fights, no idea why. People also think that his crit is amazing when it's like one of the worst crits in the game from skills. Juggernaut: 35% chance of 2x crit Skeleton king: 15% of 2.75x crit Chaos knight: 10% chance of 3x crit Brew: 25% chance of 2x crit Jugger: 35% DPS increase SK: 26% DPS increase CK: 20% DPS increase Brew: 25% DPS increase nice, now factor in the "Non scary 100% dmg images" and you have a 30% chance to crit for 3x dmg. No you still only have 10% chance. And i was comparing crits, not skill kits. I am in no way calling CK a bad hero, i just think his crit is overestimated.
his crit isn't what makes him good or anything. but having Any crit is what makes him good. him having the chance to completely destroy a character without that character getting to fight back is part of what makes him so strong.
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