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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 18:13:24
September 05 2014 18:12 GMT
#127941
The obvious answer is to hold onto that 499.99 steam wallet credit and do nothing
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 18:13:48
September 05 2014 18:13 GMT
#127942
even if tryharding has no effect on winning its the perception that ur more likely to win that would be more enjoyable

On September 06 2014 03:12 Kupon3ss wrote:
The obvious answer is to hold onto that 499.99 steam wallet credit and do nothing



purchase video games
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 05 2014 18:13 GMT
#127943
On September 06 2014 03:10 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:05 SKC wrote:
On September 06 2014 03:00 kollin wrote:
I enjoy winning so isn't tryharding a natural progression

Not exactly, since for the vast majority of the playerbase, tryharding doesnt result in any meaningfull change in your winrate.


i random every game with ~50% winrate
i can pick 70% winrate heros every game
how would that not be a meaningful difference?

u'd win 20 games then u'd be randoming for 30% winrate heroes and picking for 50% ones. No meaningful change.

MMR =/= Winrate
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 05 2014 18:16 GMT
#127944
On September 06 2014 03:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Point being if I purchase something now, it may have less features than something of equal price in the future. So I will hold onto that money.

But since we can't know how much customization Valve will permit for both Arcanas and normal sets, it's pretty much a vicious cycle.

Even Superior Moba lowered the price on their older skins because the quality went up over time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 05 2014 18:19 GMT
#127945
On September 06 2014 03:10 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:05 SKC wrote:
On September 06 2014 03:00 kollin wrote:
I enjoy winning so isn't tryharding a natural progression

Not exactly, since for the vast majority of the playerbase, tryharding doesnt result in any meaningfull change in your winrate.


i random every game with ~50% winrate
i can pick 70% winrate heros every game
how would that not be a meaningful difference?

If you random everygame you are not tryharding. Your winrante is also slightly lower when you random than it would be if you didnt tryhard ocasionally. If you always random, you have ~.5 winrate. If you always tryhard, you have around .5 winrate. If you always random, but start tryharding, you will se a sudden increase, but its not meaningfull in the grand scheme of things, and if you stop tryharding it drops.

Of course there is a lot of other stuff involved, but the diferent shouldnt be more than a few games every hundred games. Which isnt meaningfull I would say.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 05 2014 18:23 GMT
#127946
Yo techies up to 42% winrate.

That's pretty good for a new hero already.

But i have 0% fun with that hero is in the game, win or lose.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 18:25:07
September 05 2014 18:24 GMT
#127947
Also, the term tryhard is a pejorative(generally). Its not a good thing to be a try hard, because it encompasses the worst aspects of caring about winning, while reflecting none of the good aspects. Its a front and a facade put on by someone who is attempt to appear "hard core" about dota. It doesn't have a lot to do with how well you play.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 05 2014 18:28 GMT
#127948
Secret team is ibuypower just in case you guys didnt figure it out yet.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 05 2014 18:29 GMT
#127949
On September 06 2014 03:28 Dubzex wrote:
Secret team is ibuypower just in case you guys didnt figure it out yet.

Do you have a graph to back that up?
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TL+ Member
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 05 2014 18:30 GMT
#127950
There is no better term to use, and its not even pejorative in most contexts. Most people considering using tryhard as an insult funny, because its dumb. Its the easier way to diferentiate these two playstyles in just a few words.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 18:32:28
September 05 2014 18:32 GMT
#127951
Tryhard is an insult or complement depending on what you define tryhard as. Unless there is some single definitive meaning of tryhard I don't know about.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 18:34:45
September 05 2014 18:32 GMT
#127952
On September 06 2014 03:30 SKC wrote:
There is no better term to use, and its not even pejorative in most contexts. Most people considering using tryhard as an insult funny, because its dumb. Its the easier way to diferentiate these two playstyles in just a few words.

[ShouldbeinQQthread]Yeah but, what the fuck am I supposed to call people that pick void every game besides Hitler?

Jesus I fucking hate those people almost as much as Tinker pickers.

Why do the bad tinkers always end up on my team[/ShouldbeinQQthread]
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 05 2014 18:37 GMT
#127953
Tryharding is when, after a losing streak, you think ´shit, what can I do next game to guaratee a win´, and do it. Some people do that every game. Its not necessarily bad, its also very subjective, but when you are talking about people doing something that increses their winrate to 70 percent, I cant think of an easier way to describe it than they started tryharding.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 18:41:10
September 05 2014 18:40 GMT
#127954
On September 06 2014 03:32 TheEmulator wrote:
Tryhard is an insult or complement depending on what you define tryhard as. Unless there is some single definitive meaning of tryhard I don't know about.

Outside of gaming it is used as at term for fake or who puts on a front. Like someone who shows up to a concert with the bands t-shirt on. In the local music scene in this area people often use it to describe musicians with way to much equipment they don't know how to use.

Outside of gaming you don't want to be called one.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
September 05 2014 18:42 GMT
#127955
On September 06 2014 03:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:32 TheEmulator wrote:
Tryhard is an insult or complement depending on what you define tryhard as. Unless there is some single definitive meaning of tryhard I don't know about.

Outside of gaming it is used as at term for fake or who puts on a front. Like someone who shows up to a concert with the bands t-shirt on. In the local music scene in this area people often use it to describe musicians with way to much equipment they don't know how to use.

Outside of gaming you don't want to be called one.

what on earth
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 05 2014 18:47 GMT
#127956
On September 06 2014 03:42 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:40 Plansix wrote:
On September 06 2014 03:32 TheEmulator wrote:
Tryhard is an insult or complement depending on what you define tryhard as. Unless there is some single definitive meaning of tryhard I don't know about.

Outside of gaming it is used as at term for fake or who puts on a front. Like someone who shows up to a concert with the bands t-shirt on. In the local music scene in this area people often use it to describe musicians with way to much equipment they don't know how to use.

Outside of gaming you don't want to be called one.

what on earth

Ok, if you show up to see a band, don't wear a shirt with the band's name on it. You don't need to show you are a fan, you are going to their show. Its is one of the faux pas of going to rock concerts. Also, never buy beer at the venue, always drink before hand at home or in the parking lot.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
September 05 2014 18:50 GMT
#127957
On September 06 2014 03:42 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 03:40 Plansix wrote:
On September 06 2014 03:32 TheEmulator wrote:
Tryhard is an insult or complement depending on what you define tryhard as. Unless there is some single definitive meaning of tryhard I don't know about.

Outside of gaming it is used as at term for fake or who puts on a front. Like someone who shows up to a concert with the bands t-shirt on. In the local music scene in this area people often use it to describe musicians with way to much equipment they don't know how to use.

Outside of gaming you don't want to be called one.

what on earth

america, not even once
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 05 2014 18:51 GMT
#127958
Also never go to a sports stadium wearing the teams shirt. You dont need to be a douchy tryhard, if you are there, you are obviously a fan.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 05 2014 18:55 GMT
#127959
On September 06 2014 03:51 SKC wrote:
Also never go to a sports stadium wearing the teams shirt. You dont need to be a douchy tryhard, if you are there, you are obviously a fan.

If you are going outside, don't wear any clothes.

Obviously you are a human being and civilized everyone knows that dont be a tryhard trying to wear clothes.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 05 2014 18:58 GMT
#127960
Hey if you want to go to a 1 Direction show and wear the band's T-shirt, go right ahead. Feel free to be that guy. Maybe you meet Targe there.
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