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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 16:08:00
June 18 2012 16:06 GMT
#12761
http://de.twitch.tv/chu8

The guy insist he's "the" Chu, but is he The Chu ? I was such a fanboy, going everyday on his replay thread hoping he would release a new one.

edit : missed the long description at bottom, it seems it is =)
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 18 2012 18:09 GMT
#12762
On June 18 2012 12:40 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 11:34 thatsundowner wrote:
On June 18 2012 10:46 EchelonTee wrote:
On June 18 2012 10:36 thatsundowner wrote:
On June 18 2012 04:05 ChrisXIV wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:57 Qbek wrote:
On June 18 2012 03:57 ChrisXIV wrote:
Why are people such assholes in this game, I don't understand. I understand that you get angry about things, that isn't different for me. But why go out of your way to trashtalk and flame without provocation?

Gotta keep those fingers warm while waiting for respawn

MatchID: 21099507, towards the end

Riki was flaming me the whole game for being noob and all, then when we crack the enemy base he begins to flame them. o.O

Edit: And that's not uncommon, every game I'm in there are people raging everywhere it seems, way worse than ~1 week ago.


I think it's an unfortunate side effect of a team-based game that isn't easy to jump in and out of. If someone is doing badly or their team's doing badly in a regular pubgame in something like an FPS, they can just hop off the server and go on with their day. In a game like Dota they're stuck in that game until it ends unless they want to eat the abandon, so they're likely to take out their frustration on other people

It's a really unfortunate effect of the genre, but this kind of BM is around in SC2, CS, etc. It's become a part of gaming, for better or for worse. It's just up to us as a community to try and not be dickish as compared to how some bad apples can be.


Well yeah, it's true for everywhere. Some people just want to be assholes. But I honestly think it's magnified in this genre. This is just personal experience, but I've been treated worse while playing HoN or Dota 2 than I've ever been while playing anything else.


This is a game where matches last on average 30-40 minutes and rely heavily on team coordination and communication and where an individual can ruin the game for his other 4 teammates, and in byproduct for the other 5 players on the other team. It is also a game where it is very overwhelming to get into, very difficult to get into, has a skillset that dignifies the concept and phrase "not for everyone", and this individual skill required is necessary for the aforementioned team coordination to be successful because, as said previously, a single person can ruin everything.

It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together to see why people get angry at people.


This man is correct.

Competitive PvP = Maddening
Teamwork with riffraff = Maddening
Astronomical learning curve = Maddening
1 player can lose the game = Maddening
~40 minute game stuck in circumstances = Maddening
Anonymity of internet = Maddening

It's basically a powder keg of bad things. People either learn to have thick skin or they quit. People figure if they put in their time in the pressure cooker learning the game and took all their lumps getting bitched out you better be able to too or you're in the wrong neighborhood.

Just learn to take things with a grain of salt and put some armor on. It's not going to get any kinder and gentler so it sort of is what it is. Mute works if you don't want to hear it, though its much more fun to mess with them. Nothing like some kid crying over something, then point out every single awful thought he's had, skill builds, item builds, awful record, you're doing it wrong. Suddenly the crybaby mutes you because I guess his feelings got hurt by the truth. Most people can't take it as good as they give it. You can shut them up in a hurry.

Is that throwing gas on the proverbial fire? Probably, but if someone wants to start being a dick you may as well get your entertainment value out of it IMO. Plus, you never know, maybe they'll learn a thing or two!
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
June 18 2012 19:44 GMT
#12763
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5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
June 18 2012 19:47 GMT
#12764
On June 19 2012 01:06 MrCon wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/chu8

The guy insist he's "the" Chu, but is he The Chu ? I was such a fanboy, going everyday on his replay thread hoping he would release a new one.

edit : missed the long description at bottom, it seems it is =)

Who cares, just another player with too much ego to actually win in Dota.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 18 2012 21:44 GMT
#12765
On June 19 2012 04:47 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 01:06 MrCon wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/chu8

The guy insist he's "the" Chu, but is he The Chu ? I was such a fanboy, going everyday on his replay thread hoping he would release a new one.

edit : missed the long description at bottom, it seems it is =)

Who cares, just another player with too much ego to actually win in Dota.


This is a confusing post.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Chu and we aren't korean buddies or anything but he has actually won against players who've gone on to do big things in dota which I'm sure you know. Not to mention he's one of the best people to point to in order to show that decent competitive dota players usually dominate in hon and league of legends. He was among the best in Hon and after raping league of legends ladder he quit cuz it was such a garbage game.

Anyway, the confusing part is that you get a lot of shoutouts and are friends with north american dota players who also fall into the ' too much ego ' department. In fact, north america is probably the region of the world suffering the most from too much ego, even though the talent has almost always been there to field an awesome national team.
not jack
Profile Joined February 2012
123 Posts
June 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#12766
On June 19 2012 06:44 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 04:47 5-s wrote:
On June 19 2012 01:06 MrCon wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/chu8

The guy insist he's "the" Chu, but is he The Chu ? I was such a fanboy, going everyday on his replay thread hoping he would release a new one.

edit : missed the long description at bottom, it seems it is =)

Who cares, just another player with too much ego to actually win in Dota.




Anyway, the confusing part is that you get a lot of shoutouts and are friends with north american dota players who also fall into the ' too much ego ' department. In fact, north america is probably the region of the world suffering the most from too much ego, even though the talent has almost always been there to field an awesome national team.


I instantly thought this after reading his post, there is a glaring example of this who is much worse than Chu and has a bigger ego.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#12767
On June 19 2012 06:44 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 04:47 5-s wrote:
On June 19 2012 01:06 MrCon wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/chu8

The guy insist he's "the" Chu, but is he The Chu ? I was such a fanboy, going everyday on his replay thread hoping he would release a new one.

edit : missed the long description at bottom, it seems it is =)

Who cares, just another player with too much ego to actually win in Dota.


This is a confusing post.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Chu and we aren't korean buddies or anything but he has actually won against players who've gone on to do big things in dota which I'm sure you know. Not to mention he's one of the best people to point to in order to show that decent competitive dota players usually dominate in hon and league of legends. He was among the best in Hon and after raping league of legends ladder he quit cuz it was such a garbage game.

Anyway, the confusing part is that you get a lot of shoutouts and are friends with north american dota players who also fall into the ' too much ego ' department. In fact, north america is probably the region of the world suffering the most from too much ego, even though the talent has almost always been there to field an awesome national team.

by talent pool you mean all those ashe and corki players right?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#12768
The "Chu"'s highest achievement in DotA was being on the Korean national team and getting an honorable mention for his nice meepo play while getting smashed by Chinese Teams

one of the best HoN players tho
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 18 2012 22:24 GMT
#12769
It's hard to believe 5-s called out someone for having to much ego to succeed in dota but regularly plays with the NA dota scene which could be identifed as having the same attributes. Not a knock, just a funny observation.

The majority of NA dota has huge ego's and not much else to offer on the world stage.

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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 18 2012 22:36 GMT
#12770
On June 19 2012 07:24 crms wrote:
It's hard to believe 5-s called out someone for having to much ego to succeed in dota but regularly plays with the NA dota scene which could be identifed as having the same attributes. Not a knock, just a funny observation.

The majority of NA dota has huge ego's and not much else to offer on the world stage.


I don't know if you've noticed, but 5-s has very little faith in NA dota, so much so he would bet eating his socks against them.
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5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
June 18 2012 22:45 GMT
#12771
On June 19 2012 07:36 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:24 crms wrote:
It's hard to believe 5-s called out someone for having to much ego to succeed in dota but regularly plays with the NA dota scene which could be identifed as having the same attributes. Not a knock, just a funny observation.

The majority of NA dota has huge ego's and not much else to offer on the world stage.


I don't know if you've noticed, but 5-s has very little faith in NA dota, so much so he would bet eating his socks against them.

I'm friends with several EG players, but they thought that a week of bootcamping could make up for months of playing with ringers and slacking off. Frankly they should've lost to AL if not for AL's extremely underwhelming performance. Players who rely on talent and experience alone no longer win big Dota tournaments, it's almost always the teams that are working their asses off nowadays. I haven't seen Chu willing to practice with a team like that in a long time, and I doubt that will change.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 22:53:07
June 18 2012 22:52 GMT
#12772
On June 19 2012 07:45 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:36 rabidch wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:24 crms wrote:
It's hard to believe 5-s called out someone for having to much ego to succeed in dota but regularly plays with the NA dota scene which could be identifed as having the same attributes. Not a knock, just a funny observation.

The majority of NA dota has huge ego's and not much else to offer on the world stage.


I don't know if you've noticed, but 5-s has very little faith in NA dota, so much so he would bet eating his socks against them.

I'm friends with several EG players, but they thought that a week of bootcamping could make up for months of playing with ringers and slacking off. Frankly they should've lost to AL if not for AL's extremely underwhelming performance. Players who rely on talent and experience alone no longer win big Dota tournaments, it's almost always the teams that are working their asses off nowadays. I haven't seen Chu willing to practice with a team like that in a long time, and I doubt that will change.

What about the proverb "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill?"
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 18 2012 22:54 GMT
#12773
On June 19 2012 07:52 CountChocula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:45 5-s wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:36 rabidch wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:24 crms wrote:
It's hard to believe 5-s called out someone for having to much ego to succeed in dota but regularly plays with the NA dota scene which could be identifed as having the same attributes. Not a knock, just a funny observation.

The majority of NA dota has huge ego's and not much else to offer on the world stage.


I don't know if you've noticed, but 5-s has very little faith in NA dota, so much so he would bet eating his socks against them.

I'm friends with several EG players, but they thought that a week of bootcamping could make up for months of playing with ringers and slacking off. Frankly they should've lost to AL if not for AL's extremely underwhelming performance. Players who rely on talent and experience alone no longer win big Dota tournaments, it's almost always the teams that are working their asses off nowadays. I haven't seen Chu willing to practice with a team like that in a long time, and I doubt that will change.

What about the proverb "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill?"


Young, skill and dedication will overcome old age, treachery and no dedication i guess?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 22:55:53
June 18 2012 22:55 GMT
#12774
On June 19 2012 07:45 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:36 rabidch wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:24 crms wrote:
It's hard to believe 5-s called out someone for having to much ego to succeed in dota but regularly plays with the NA dota scene which could be identifed as having the same attributes. Not a knock, just a funny observation.

The majority of NA dota has huge ego's and not much else to offer on the world stage.


I don't know if you've noticed, but 5-s has very little faith in NA dota, so much so he would bet eating his socks against them.

I'm friends with several EG players, but they thought that a week of bootcamping could make up for months of playing with ringers and slacking off. Frankly they should've lost to AL if not for AL's extremely underwhelming performance. Players who rely on talent and experience alone no longer win big Dota tournaments, it's almost always the teams that are working their asses off nowadays. I haven't seen Chu willing to practice with a team like that in a long time, and I doubt that will change.

I got this impression as well. Whenever I chanced upon Demon's stream he'd be randomly pubstomping and screwing around. Na'Vi although not as bad admitted that they were also slacking off until their bootcamp. Meanwhile mTw has stopped streaming and entirely focused on practice and scrims with a stable lineup, and it really shows.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 22:59:50
June 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#12775
On June 19 2012 04:47 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 01:06 MrCon wrote:
http://de.twitch.tv/chu8

The guy insist he's "the" Chu, but is he The Chu ? I was such a fanboy, going everyday on his replay thread hoping he would release a new one.

edit : missed the long description at bottom, it seems it is =)

Who cares, just another player with too much ego to actually win in Dota.

Well I care indeed as I asked. He was a really entertaining player and I watched some of his replays 15 times haha. He had an awesome meepo and really good overall micro, I just wondered if he was the same guy. Too bad his replay thread on playdota no longer exist, it contained hours of entertainment =)
It's awesome if it's him and he's back in dota 2 But I guess he's old like me now, this was what...6 years ago perhaps.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 18 2012 23:04 GMT
#12776
Are Chu and Chuan different people? Chuan being the person in that infamous 'must dodge sunstrike' clip.
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5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
June 18 2012 23:12 GMT
#12777
On June 19 2012 08:04 Firebolt145 wrote:
Are Chu and Chuan different people? Chuan being the person in that infamous 'must dodge sunstrike' clip.

Chuan is a star Malaysian player who plays on Chinese teams, Chu is a Korean player from Toronto.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 18 2012 23:15 GMT
#12778
Ah okay, thought it was like how Korok and Kuroky are actually the same person. Makes sense.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 18 2012 23:21 GMT
#12779
5-s pls don't dodge question.

NB We get it you love SEA

Synd and Na'Vi own.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 18 2012 23:27 GMT
#12780
Chu is not so much about ego as he is about just not giving a shit about competitive gaming. He just messes around on mostly non conventional heroes. Was the case in dota and was the case in LoL. I mean, sure he was good in HoN, but he admitted that he didn't take the game very seriously and that led to his decline. He's also declined a lot in LoL for what that's worth. Sure, he was rank 1 for a bit when the game was young but now he can barely make it past 2.1k ELO which is manageable for a ton of non competitive players. In any case, he jumps around from game to game way too much to ever have an impact competitively. I say this as a big chu fanboy btw.
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