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Veles

United States3280 Posts

August 13 2014 15:21 GMT

#122841

On August 14 2014 00:20 Sn0_Man wrote:

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U can't farm like that
Timbersaw actually farms unreasonably fast with mana regen (more than just a BS though lol unless u have like 30 charges)

farm heroes

idonthinksobro

3138 Posts

August 13 2014 15:22 GMT

#122842

On August 14 2014 00:08 Acritter wrote:

Understatement. Blink is important for literally everything Tinker does. Farming, escaping, killing... Blink does it all. Calling it now. The Tinker nerf will be removing Rearm from Blink.

they recently patched to original dota so rearm will affect blink, unlikely that this will be the nerf of choice but i think tinker will get some attention that tinkers with his farm speed. (sorry for the pun)

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 13 2014 15:23 GMT

#122843

I think imma try soul ring arcanes blink maybe. I'm not really 100% on what i'd buy after though since I think u'd need some raw hp. Maybe like BKB and hex.

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

August 13 2014 15:26 GMT

#122844

On August 14 2014 00:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think imma try soul ring arcanes blink maybe. I'm not really 100% on what i'd buy after though since I think u'd need some raw hp. Maybe like BKB and hex.

While those items are fine for regen, the nice thing about BS is that it gives Timber an innate amount of tankiness with the farming speed / regen. Soul ring actually detracts from HP, so it is essentially a farming item (not a bad one really), but doesn't solve the HP issue. Going blademail is nice in that it acts as a tanky item for a limited amoutn of time, which allows you deal a ton of damage while you aren't being attacked. Blink doesn't help with this at all - its typically a better second item (after bloodstone, bkb, blademail etc).

idonthinksobro

3138 Posts

August 13 2014 15:30 GMT

#122845

On August 14 2014 00:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think imma try soul ring arcanes blink maybe. I'm not really 100% on what i'd buy after though since I think u'd need some raw hp. Maybe like BKB and hex.

if you drop the arcanes before using soulring you gain permanent mana.

Dubzex

United States6994 Posts

August 13 2014 15:34 GMT

#122846

Wow dont tell them every secret man.

idonthinksobro

3138 Posts

August 13 2014 15:35 GMT

#122847

On August 14 2014 00:34 Dubzex wrote:
Wow dont tell them every secret man.

he is still learning, i mentioned it becasue it is important to do if you only run on arcanes + soulring. A lof of people don't know this.

ChunderBoy

3242 Posts

August 13 2014 15:35 GMT

#122848

bloodstone fast respawn gets ignored.

lprk

Poland2249 Posts

August 13 2014 15:46 GMT

#122849

On August 14 2014 00:35 ChunderBoy wrote:
bloodstone fast respawn gets ignored.

It's not a valid reason to buy it when the item is all about not dying, it's nice boon when you can benefit from it but thats all

PassiveAce

United States18076 Posts

August 13 2014 15:50 GMT

#122850

its probably one of the strongest aspects of the item imo
especially if you have bots.

crms

United States11933 Posts

August 13 2014 15:53 GMT

#122851

maybe you guys can just not die? respawn timer can be infinite if you never die. (: (; (; (; (; (:

Spoonmeister

Australia24 Posts

August 13 2014 15:54 GMT

#122852

Can anyone tell me why bloodstone on DP is still popular with pros?
-You get enough mana regen with bottle euls (where euls is usually core)
-You get more tanky with a heart or skadi but you get life regen/slow
-Reduced death time not effective cause your ulti will still be on cool down if you used it before you died

Bloodstone is also risky as it loses its effectiveness if you are behind and keep dying, and the payoff if you get charges is just more mana regen which you cant utilise.
The only other thing is the team aoe heal, and it seems pretty ridiculous to spend so much just for that.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 13 2014 15:57 GMT

#122853

I am going to be honest, I have no idea why they get BS. I think it helps with mana regen and tankyness so they don't have to go back to base. The only thing I can see it being good for is counter pushing with crypt swarm, since that does add up after a while.

But yeah, I think rushing heart after euls, or BKB is better. But I am not a pro.

Edit: I am super bias because I hate BS on DP, because idiots rush it when they could just have a Euls. Same with shadowblade, but thats a different story.

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

August 13 2014 15:57 GMT

#122854

On August 14 2014 00:54 Spoonmeister wrote:
Can anyone tell me why bloodstone on DP is still popular with pros?
-You get enough mana regen with bottle euls (where euls is usually core)
-You get more tanky with a heart or skadi but you get life regen/slow
-Reduced death time not effective cause your ulti will still be on cool down if you used it before you died

Bloodstone is also risky as it loses its effectiveness if you are behind and keep dying, and the payoff if you get charges is just more mana regen which you cant utilise.
The only other thing is the team aoe heal, and it seems pretty ridiculous to spend so much just for that.

Honestly, I think there are better items for her, but its essentially gotten as a pseudo farming / tanky item. Having the mana regen to farm, while having more HP. Should never be gotten before Euls really (most pros get it after Euls anyways). The lowered respawn time is nice (though not super synergetic, as you said), and the aoe heal is fine.

The mana regen + hp is really why though. Lets you farm like crazy.

PassiveAce

United States18076 Posts

August 13 2014 16:04 GMT

#122855

I like bloodstone on dp but I remember a well written guide here that declared bs retarded on her. authored by rocketbear maybe?
I thought it made sense because her damage comes from surviving a long time in fights.

lprk

Poland2249 Posts

August 13 2014 16:05 GMT

#122856

Heal usually doesn't do much because she is initiated on and focus fired to prevent using ulti or she is so tanky that most of her team die before her.

tehh4ck3r

Magrathea7080 Posts

August 13 2014 16:06 GMT

#122857

during TI4 i think most DP players got bloodstone as a late-game item for reduced respawn timer, they ususally built it after euls

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 13 2014 16:08 GMT

#122858

It is sort of pants backwards retarded. You are mid, will have a bottle and likely have gotten euls. You have one spell that you spam that maxes out in cost at 165. No one spams silence when there are no heroes around and it doesn't do shit unless you are setting up for a team fight. Its like Bloodstone on Sven because you want to use storm hammer to farm.

Yurie

12088 Posts

August 13 2014 16:10 GMT

#122859

One overlooked benefit of Bloodstone is the team heal. If you die in a team fight you heal all your allies. That can make a huge impact in late game team fights as your ulti damage starts becoming less relevant. So they focus you down and you heal your team or they ignore you and you can mass spam from the BS charges.

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

August 13 2014 16:10 GMT

#122860

Well, BS gives 500 HP, vs something like a Heart which gives 1060, a BKB which gives 190 + magic immunity, a shivas which gives the...well everything it gives and 15 armor. So really the only rational for picking up BS is additional regen, a heal, and reduced spawn time. Given that heal + reduced spawn time is average on her, the most logical explanation is for farming faster.