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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 13 2014 15:02 GMT
#122821
How come lysander's stream is showing up in the StarSeries event as well as in the player streams?

R1CH pls
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
August 13 2014 15:05 GMT
#122822
thanks guys for all the answer, i don't play tinker but i played with one that went bs before blink and after travel (his third item iirc)
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 13 2014 15:06 GMT
#122823
On August 14 2014 00:05 Makro wrote:
thanks guys for all the answer, i don't play tinker but i played with one that went bs before blink and after travel (his third item iirc)

Yeah, that's pretty bad. You need the blink - its even more important for farming than a billion mana regen per second.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 15:08:14
August 13 2014 15:07 GMT
#122824
On August 13 2014 23:50 Acritter wrote:
Bloodstone is good on Tinker once you've gotten all your do-shit items. Like, you need the Big Three that Sn0 mentioned and then one more, like Dagon 5 or Scythe or Dagon 1+Eblade, and then you can buy Bloodstone. There's no need to rush it, though. The item scales into lategame really well, because the main thing you do with it is make it less important if you die. You're not getting it for the mana regen, and the extra tankiness is just a side bonus. You're getting it for the lowered respawn timer.

It's a good item to replace your Soul Ring with, for example.


You get it so you can sustain march spam if you are trying to go highground or for fights in general. Going back to base everytime you run out of mana is fine in the early and midgame but at some point you would rather not want to be 5 seconds away from a fight.
The lowered respawn timer is a nice bonus i guess.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 15:09:37
August 13 2014 15:08 GMT
#122825
On August 13 2014 23:52 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 23:50 Acritter wrote:
Bloodstone is good on Tinker once you've gotten all your do-shit items. Like, you need the Big Three that Sn0 mentioned and then one more, like Dagon 5 or Scythe or Dagon 1+Eblade, and then you can buy Bloodstone. There's no need to rush it, though. The item scales into lategame really well, because the main thing you do with it is make it less important if you die. You're not getting it for the mana regen, and the extra tankiness is just a side bonus. You're getting it for the lowered respawn timer.

It's a good item to replace your Soul Ring with, for example.

While the lowered respawn time is a big reason you get it, its definitely also gotten for the mana regen. Less trips back to base, more rearms, its very very nice for this.

That's a fair reason, but the big thing is definitely the respawn. Tinker loses lategame situations when he gets caught out twice in six minutes. Bloodstone turns that into three or even four times. It actually becomes unbelievably hard to stop him.

On August 14 2014 00:06 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 00:05 Makro wrote:
thanks guys for all the answer, i don't play tinker but i played with one that went bs before blink and after travel (his third item iirc)

Yeah, that's pretty bad. You need the blink - its even more important for farming than a billion mana regen per second.

Understatement. Blink is important for literally everything Tinker does. Farming, escaping, killing... Blink does it all. Calling it now. The Tinker nerf will be removing Rearm from Blink.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 13 2014 15:09 GMT
#122826
In general, needing a billion mana regen per second is mostly a sign that you are bad with your mana management. Its rushing Bloodstone is the item for terrible players(of course, with the exception of those few heroes).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 13 2014 15:09 GMT
#122827
On August 14 2014 00:09 Plansix wrote:
In general, needing a billion mana regen per second is mostly a sign that you are bad with your mana management. Its rushing Bloodstone is the item for terrible players(of course, with the exception of those few heroes).

TINKER DUDE
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 13 2014 15:11 GMT
#122828
On August 14 2014 00:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 00:09 Plansix wrote:
In general, needing a billion mana regen per second is mostly a sign that you are bad with your mana management. Its rushing Bloodstone is the item for terrible players(of course, with the exception of those few heroes).

TINKER DUDE

NEEDS BLINK BEFORE BLOODSTONE! AND A DAGON! AND LIKE ANY OTHER ITEM!

RUSHING BLOODSTONE = TRENCH*

* - With exceptions of a few heroes like Timbersaw
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 13 2014 15:12 GMT
#122829
erm i go bloodstone first on tinker?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 13 2014 15:12 GMT
#122830
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 13 2014 15:13 GMT
#122831
Favorite hero to rush Bloodstone on is Skywrath. BS+Aghs Skywrath is just hilarious to play, not least because the people at my level seem to utterly loathe BKB. At a certain point you can just cast zoning ultimates.

Is it the best itemization ever? Hell no. But it's ridiculously fun.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 15:15:26
August 13 2014 15:15 GMT
#122832
Edit ugh nevermind
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 13 2014 15:15 GMT
#122833
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.


the soulring + arcane abuse is good enough for sustain.
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
August 13 2014 15:15 GMT
#122834
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.

blink works in a lot of games
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
August 13 2014 15:16 GMT
#122835
Don't forget to deny yourself with Tinker & Bloodstone if you build one. The ability to deny refreshes with rearm. Don't give your enemies extra resources. (Don't know if mentioned already)
But does it djent?
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 13 2014 15:16 GMT
#122836
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.

If you can't get it in 20 mins, yeah probably. Bloodstone on timber is one of those items, however, that you pretty much always always always want on him. Reduced spawn timer, mana regen, and especially the tankiness (and since he has a nice armor buff, armor is less important). There are some games where I'll be forced to go something like blademail first or something, but I almost always try to finish bloodstone.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 13 2014 15:19 GMT
#122837
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.

blink blademail?
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lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
August 13 2014 15:20 GMT
#122838
On August 14 2014 00:19 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.

blink blademail?

In a lot of games BKB
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 13 2014 15:20 GMT
#122839
On August 14 2014 00:19 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.

blink blademail?

U can't farm like that
Timbersaw actually farms unreasonably fast with mana regen (more than just a BS though lol unless u have like 30 charges)
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 13 2014 15:21 GMT
#122840
On August 14 2014 00:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 00:19 Targe wrote:
On August 14 2014 00:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's gotta be something better than rushing BS on timber I just haven't figured it out.

blink blademail?

U can't farm like that
Timbersaw actually farms unreasonably fast with mana regen (more than just a BS though lol unless u have like 30 charges)

just listing an alternative yo
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