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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2014 00:33 GMT
#120421
On July 30 2014 09:32 Ru ba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 09:30 misirlou wrote:
I think they could get away with giving blink mana cost (75 or even 100), make the item give 150 mana and cost +600 more

no they couldnt because that would ruin every hero that actually needs it...

It used to cost 75 to blink, but yeah, its still a bad change due to gold cost.

20 second cool down, so it might be on cool down when you need it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 00:41:30
July 30 2014 00:36 GMT
#120422
On July 30 2014 09:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 09:32 Ru ba wrote:
On July 30 2014 09:30 misirlou wrote:
I think they could get away with giving blink mana cost (75 or even 100), make the item give 150 mana and cost +600 more

no they couldnt because that would ruin every hero that actually needs it...

It used to cost 75 to blink, but yeah, its still a bad change due to gold cost.

20 second cool down, so it might be on cool down when you need it.


6.78 also decreased the cooldown so it was buffed in 2 (3 if you count pudge+vs purchase) of the 3 last patches. I guess that's fair and doesn't break blink initiators.

I don't think 600 increase would break it that much, with the periodic gold increase at 10 mins you receive +250 gold than before, 350 gold is like 2 more waves (1min).
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 30 2014 00:38 GMT
#120423
On July 30 2014 09:30 misirlou wrote:
I think they could get away with giving blink mana cost (75 or even 100), make the item give 150 mana and cost +600 more.

I also think blink has too much range. Force staff, an item that requires a bit more skill to use has half the range and costs mana. I think that a range nerf on blink is warranted, people get away with playing too much in the backlines and engaging. Heroes which rely on a blink to initiate can afford to stand 200/300 units less away from the front

youre forgetting force works on teamates and allies dude
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3309 Posts
July 30 2014 00:42 GMT
#120424
On July 30 2014 09:38 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 09:30 misirlou wrote:
I think they could get away with giving blink mana cost (75 or even 100), make the item give 150 mana and cost +600 more.

I also think blink has too much range. Force staff, an item that requires a bit more skill to use has half the range and costs mana. I think that a range nerf on blink is warranted, people get away with playing too much in the backlines and engaging. Heroes which rely on a blink to initiate can afford to stand 200/300 units less away from the front

youre forgetting force works on teamates and allies dude

Sure but which item do you find more interesting/fun to play and/or watch?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 30 2014 00:43 GMT
#120425
rapier
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 30 2014 00:48 GMT
#120426
im glad none of ur are icefroawd
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 00:53:47
July 30 2014 00:51 GMT
#120427
Blinkdagger cooldown increased for melee and ranged heroes seperately. 20 sec for melee 24 for ranged.

Melee heroes, who actually need the mobility now still have it, but the CD makes it, so you can still have it as initiation /escape (manage your Cds. I'ts late idk how to put it in a proper sentence), while ranged heroes now don't have a ridiculous 24/7 uptime on their enemies. Numbers are adjustable obviously, but that'd be my way of going to balance Blink if I'd have to.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 01:12:16
July 30 2014 01:12 GMT
#120428
I personally don't want blink dagger to get its mana cost back (preferably nerf something like range/CD) but I wouldn't be suprised if the mana cost becomes a certain % of current mana
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 30 2014 01:15 GMT
#120429
lets talk about what lina needs to be made viable
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
July 30 2014 01:20 GMT
#120430
lets talk about what spirit breaker needs to be made viable
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 30 2014 01:21 GMT
#120431
1.7 bat next
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 30 2014 01:51 GMT
#120432
On July 30 2014 09:42 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 09:38 Targe wrote:
On July 30 2014 09:30 misirlou wrote:
I think they could get away with giving blink mana cost (75 or even 100), make the item give 150 mana and cost +600 more.

I also think blink has too much range. Force staff, an item that requires a bit more skill to use has half the range and costs mana. I think that a range nerf on blink is warranted, people get away with playing too much in the backlines and engaging. Heroes which rely on a blink to initiate can afford to stand 200/300 units less away from the front

youre forgetting force works on teamates and allies dude

Sure but which item do you find more interesting/fun to play and/or watch?

blinku best item
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2014 01:52 GMT
#120433
On July 30 2014 10:51 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 09:42 misirlou wrote:
On July 30 2014 09:38 Targe wrote:
On July 30 2014 09:30 misirlou wrote:
I think they could get away with giving blink mana cost (75 or even 100), make the item give 150 mana and cost +600 more.

I also think blink has too much range. Force staff, an item that requires a bit more skill to use has half the range and costs mana. I think that a range nerf on blink is warranted, people get away with playing too much in the backlines and engaging. Heroes which rely on a blink to initiate can afford to stand 200/300 units less away from the front

youre forgetting force works on teamates and allies dude

Sure but which item do you find more interesting/fun to play and/or watch?

blinku best item

Force staff on supports leads to bigger plays. Everyone loves a good forcestaff save or initiation.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
July 30 2014 01:54 GMT
#120434
On July 30 2014 09:48 FinestHour wrote:
im glad none of ur are icefroawd



Best feeling in the world. Knowing God would just do wtv he feels like doing, instead of listening to idiotic ideas.

Communities generate so much comment noise, that it's too hard to get the good juice out.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 30 2014 01:58 GMT
#120435
that's why this other game died
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2014 02:03 GMT
#120436
On July 30 2014 10:54 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 09:48 FinestHour wrote:
im glad none of ur are icefroawd



Best feeling in the world. Knowing God would just do wtv he feels like doing, instead of listening to idiotic ideas.

Communities generate so much comment noise, that it's too hard to get the good juice out.

Don't tell that to some people over to TL, they will tell you that they can make better games than ANYONE. Community games, best games, best ideas.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
July 30 2014 02:07 GMT
#120437
On July 30 2014 11:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 10:54 TMG26 wrote:
On July 30 2014 09:48 FinestHour wrote:
im glad none of ur are icefroawd



Best feeling in the world. Knowing God would just do wtv he feels like doing, instead of listening to idiotic ideas.

Communities generate so much comment noise, that it's too hard to get the good juice out.

Don't tell that to some people over to TL, they will tell you that they can make better games than ANYONE. Community games, best games, best ideas.


That's why you are lucky to find more than 10 people in the starbow client.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 30 2014 02:08 GMT
#120438
On July 30 2014 10:58 icystorage wrote:
that's why this other game died

bw?
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
July 30 2014 02:08 GMT
#120439
Icefrog should just remove blink as an item and add flash.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2014 02:10 GMT
#120440
On July 30 2014 11:07 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 11:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 30 2014 10:54 TMG26 wrote:
On July 30 2014 09:48 FinestHour wrote:
im glad none of ur are icefroawd



Best feeling in the world. Knowing God would just do wtv he feels like doing, instead of listening to idiotic ideas.

Communities generate so much comment noise, that it's too hard to get the good juice out.

Don't tell that to some people over to TL, they will tell you that they can make better games than ANYONE. Community games, best games, best ideas.


That's why you are lucky to find more than 10 people in the starbow client.

But its the true successor to BW, didn't you hear? Its like Esports Jesus and a reddit darling. Its the truest RTS....fuck I can't do this.

Dawn of War 2, the for fun group RTS. Net code is shit, but god that game is just good dumb fun.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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