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On July 29 2014 23:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 23:02 FakeDeath wrote:
They(ZSMJ) are fighting against YYF/Zhou/LongDD/Mikasa stack.
So tryhard.
Even the drafts. Ok, so its not pub Dota, but stack vs stack. That makes way more sense. I found it hard to believe that China was this mythical place where high level dota was not filled with idiots.
Chinese pubs seem to be more tryhard and closer to real dota than 5k+ eu/na
in some aui interview he talked about how much better china pubs were
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is that normal stream numbers in CN ? thats some mighty high numbers. (ZSMJ stream)
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Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
Is it me or this is fattest pudge ever in a pub game who has under 30 kills :D.
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On July 30 2014 00:24 Veles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 23:07 Plansix wrote:On July 29 2014 23:02 FakeDeath wrote:
They(ZSMJ) are fighting against YYF/Zhou/LongDD/Mikasa stack.
So tryhard.
Even the drafts. Ok, so its not pub Dota, but stack vs stack. That makes way more sense. I found it hard to believe that China was this mythical place where high level dota was not filled with idiots. Chinese pubs seem to be more tryhard and closer to real dota than 5k+ eu/na in some aui interview he talked about how much better china pubs were
So did ice3 and others as well. This is well known. Back when China did not have Perfect World Server, SEA is the toughest because all the chinese pros will play there.
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ??
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Midas Paj baby, thanks ZSMJ. How else are you going to get 6 slotted?! 
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On July 30 2014 00:33 Chewits wrote:
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ??
China is a big deal.
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On July 30 2014 00:36 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:33 Chewits wrote:
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ?? China is a big deal.
China have like 1.4 billion peoples living there dude.
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On July 30 2014 00:33 Chewits wrote:
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ??
Perhaps this will give you some insight as to sheer number of people living in urban areas in China and imagine how this is not the case. Anyway, there is a lol stream with 350k a few minutes ago (it's 284k now).
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Inter-server MMR is funny.
Aui went to china, said playing mid/carry was unwinnable for him (he complained about getting doomed out of every game, and said he lost mid to basically every pub lol), but ended up gaining 200+ mmr overall just by supporting which he felt wasn't possible on NA servers.
Excalibur came to NA for TI4 and promptly lost 600 mmr cuz he couldn't carry NA pubs lol.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
Im just glad liquid added chinese dota 2 streams. Thx you liquiddota crew.
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On July 30 2014 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Inter-server MMR is funny.
Aui went to china, said playing mid/carry was unwinnable for him (he complained about getting doomed out of every game, and said he lost mid to basically every pub lol), but ended up gaining 200+ mmr overall just by supporting which he felt wasn't possible on NA servers.
Excalibur came to NA for TI4 and promptly lost 600 mmr cuz he couldn't carry NA pubs lol.
It's probably just the playstyle is not what they're used to. If Aui supports well, I guess there is a greater chance his carries know what they're doing. Conversely, supporting on NA is...hilarious, at least when I was there.
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do you guys think we should maybe add a separate tag under players to identify which region they're from? or is there a way to sort currently which are streaming on Twitch vs Doyoutv? I don't understand chinese one bit and i doubt ill be interested in watching those streams so it would be nice if i can filter them out.
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
On July 30 2014 00:37 fixed_point wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:33 Chewits wrote:
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ?? Perhaps this will give you some insight as to sheer number of people living in urban areas in China and imagine how this is not the case. Anyway, there is a lol stream with 350k a few minutes ago (it's 284k now).
I understand China is densley populated but I still couldn't imagine 200k people watching ZSMJ playing. Western streams would never get this and thats all of Europe / America etc. Even Starladder finals on twitch wouldn't even get this? So its pretty much blew my mind.
And it actually gives that BBC newsnight clip a lot more credit. Streaming in Asia is big. Its way bigger than I imagined.
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On July 30 2014 00:45 Genie_ wrote:
do you guys think we should maybe add a separate tag under players to identify which region they're from? or is there a way to sort currently which are streaming on Twitch vs Doyoutv? I don't understand chinese one bit and i doubt ill be interested in watching those streams so it would be nice if i can filter them out.
Featured streams should be recognisable by names. Anyway, it should take around 2 seconds for you to realise if the stream is on douyu or twitch. 2 seconds wasted for you seems to be a good tradeoff for avoiding clutter on the sidebar.
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On July 30 2014 00:48 fixed_point wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:45 Genie_ wrote:
do you guys think we should maybe add a separate tag under players to identify which region they're from? or is there a way to sort currently which are streaming on Twitch vs Doyoutv? I don't understand chinese one bit and i doubt ill be interested in watching those streams so it would be nice if i can filter them out. Featured streams should be recognisable by names. Anyway, it should take around 2 seconds for you to realise if the stream is on douyu or twitch. 2 seconds wasted for you seems to be a good tradeoff for avoiding clutter on the sidebar.
Still a flag telling me where a player/streamer is from wouldn't hurt my overall dota knowledge. Plus is would remind people when a stream runs poorly, its due to the number of oceans between you and the streamer.
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On July 30 2014 00:48 Chewits wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:37 fixed_point wrote:On July 30 2014 00:33 Chewits wrote:
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ?? Perhaps this will give you some insight as to sheer number of people living in urban areas in China and imagine how this is not the case. Anyway, there is a lol stream with 350k a few minutes ago (it's 284k now). I understand China is densley populated but I still couldn't imagine 200k people watching ZSMJ playing. Western streams would never get this and thats all of Europe / America etc. Even Starladder finals on twitch wouldn't even get this? So its pretty much blew my mind. And it actually gives that BBC newsnight clip a lot more credit. Streaming in Asia is big. Its way bigger than I imagined.
ZSMJ is actually pretty entertaining on stream, not to mention that he is a legend. Also, China's population is more than EU and NA's population combined, and they are all living in a single timezone. I would also hazard a guess and say percentage wise more Chinese teenagers are playing dota than their EU and NA counterparts.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On July 30 2014 00:48 Chewits wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:37 fixed_point wrote:On July 30 2014 00:33 Chewits wrote:
What the hell. Are those stream numbers for real on ZSMJ stream? No way that can be real. Surely it has to be a bug ?? Perhaps this will give you some insight as to sheer number of people living in urban areas in China and imagine how this is not the case. Anyway, there is a lol stream with 350k a few minutes ago (it's 284k now). I understand China is densley populated but I still couldn't imagine 200k people watching ZSMJ playing. Western streams would never get this and thats all of Europe / America etc. Even Starladder finals on twitch wouldn't even get this? So its pretty much blew my mind. And it actually gives that BBC newsnight clip a lot more credit. Streaming in Asia is big. Its way bigger than I imagined.
Starladder finals had over 300k on twitch. But yeah, I'm also surprised by the numbers the chinese streams are pulling.
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On July 30 2014 00:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:48 fixed_point wrote:On July 30 2014 00:45 Genie_ wrote:
do you guys think we should maybe add a separate tag under players to identify which region they're from? or is there a way to sort currently which are streaming on Twitch vs Doyoutv? I don't understand chinese one bit and i doubt ill be interested in watching those streams so it would be nice if i can filter them out. Featured streams should be recognisable by names. Anyway, it should take around 2 seconds for you to realise if the stream is on douyu or twitch. 2 seconds wasted for you seems to be a good tradeoff for avoiding clutter on the sidebar. Still a flag telling me where a player/streamer is from wouldn't hurt my overall dota knowledge. Plus is would remind people when a stream runs poorly, its due to the number of oceans between you and the streamer.
There's a hover tooltip that says if it's twitch or douyu. At the very least it seems like you could add a country/region name to there as well.
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On July 30 2014 00:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 00:48 fixed_point wrote:On July 30 2014 00:45 Genie_ wrote:
do you guys think we should maybe add a separate tag under players to identify which region they're from? or is there a way to sort currently which are streaming on Twitch vs Doyoutv? I don't understand chinese one bit and i doubt ill be interested in watching those streams so it would be nice if i can filter them out. Featured streams should be recognisable by names. Anyway, it should take around 2 seconds for you to realise if the stream is on douyu or twitch. 2 seconds wasted for you seems to be a good tradeoff for avoiding clutter on the sidebar. Still a flag telling me where a player/streamer is from wouldn't hurt my overall dota knowledge. Plus is would remind people when a stream runs poorly, its due to the number of oceans between you and the streamer.
Technically there are no oceans between EU and CN  , but I understand your point. Perhaps this suggestion could be made in the website feedback section instead.
As for the flags, how the hell am I supposed to tell the difference between the AU and NZ flags when they are squished into tiny rectangles?! This is the big issue that needs addressing.
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