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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 28 2014 18:01 GMT
#120161
Starcraft is clearly a 4X game
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
July 28 2014 18:04 GMT
#120162
On July 29 2014 02:56 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 02:52 PassiveAce wrote:
dota is an rts imo.
dunno why people want to reinvent the wheel.


Because it is becoming its genre.

It's just a mean of attracting more people to pay more money. It's only becoming separate from RTSes because there's a ton of spin-offs that like to change a few things here and there and call them new and refreshing. We could argue whether that's exactly what defines a birth of a new genre, but for me all this MOBA/ARTS business is just a race to create the ultimate buzzword.
Just another take on the F2P market, seeing how popular DotA and LoL are.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 28 2014 18:08 GMT
#120163
Moba or Lord Management simulators are as much of their own genre as Tactical shooters and Arena shooters. ARMA is not Quake is not CS. The only thing those games have in common is “yo, there be guns and sometimes iron sights or a rocket launcher.”

The title is meaningless and things become genre once there is a large enough fan base to demand that specific thing in many different flavors.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 28 2014 18:10 GMT
#120164
On July 29 2014 03:04 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 02:56 Torte de Lini wrote:
On July 29 2014 02:52 PassiveAce wrote:
dota is an rts imo.
dunno why people want to reinvent the wheel.


Because it is becoming its genre.

It's just a mean of attracting more people to pay more money. It's only becoming separate from RTSes because there's a ton of spin-offs that like to change a few things here and there and call them new and refreshing. We could argue whether that's exactly what defines a birth of a new genre, but for me all this MOBA/ARTS business is just a race to create the ultimate buzzword.
Just another take on the F2P market, seeing how popular DotA and LoL are.


What other pseudo-new genres are there?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 28 2014 18:11 GMT
#120165
MMOs, kinda. They are pretty old I suppose but not much older than original Dota.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 28 2014 18:11 GMT
#120166
On July 29 2014 03:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 03:04 makmeatt wrote:
On July 29 2014 02:56 Torte de Lini wrote:
On July 29 2014 02:52 PassiveAce wrote:
dota is an rts imo.
dunno why people want to reinvent the wheel.


Because it is becoming its genre.

It's just a mean of attracting more people to pay more money. It's only becoming separate from RTSes because there's a ton of spin-offs that like to change a few things here and there and call them new and refreshing. We could argue whether that's exactly what defines a birth of a new genre, but for me all this MOBA/ARTS business is just a race to create the ultimate buzzword.
Just another take on the F2P market, seeing how popular DotA and LoL are.


What other pseudo-new genres are there?

A shitton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_genres
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
July 28 2014 18:26 GMT
#120167
Video game genres are weird but if you have a problem with the term "MOBA" you should just get over it- people know what a MOBA is and that's really what matters
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 28 2014 18:41 GMT
#120168
if tide supports gay right, is it bc kunkka doesnt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
July 28 2014 18:42 GMT
#120169
If anyone supports gay rights, it's sailorboy.
Once you Goblak...
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-28 18:43:47
July 28 2014 18:43 GMT
#120170
genres are always arbitrary but also always debatable.
i think the main point of classifying dota as a moba is because the genre's easily recognized due to its popularity and well differentiated from other strategy games.
beyond recognition, other reasons for narrowing genre classification are pretty moot.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 28 2014 18:43 GMT
#120171
I'm pretty sure Enchantress has been the most vocal supporter of gay rights since WC3 Dota.
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
July 28 2014 18:44 GMT
#120172
im all for gay rights if it means were gonna see lina reveal some lanaya secrets
u gotta farm
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
July 28 2014 18:46 GMT
#120173
no yuri pls my doto champions r pure
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
July 28 2014 18:49 GMT
#120174
the secret is that lanaya is a trap, that's what fanart has lead me to believe anyway
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 28 2014 18:59 GMT
#120175
Morphling supports gay rights. He believes you should be whoever you want. Same with Rubic, only he believes you should take whatever you want……..wait….

Fuck, that go really dark quick.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
July 28 2014 19:02 GMT
#120176
QoP definitely supports gay rights. She wants freedom to seduce and torture everyone, no matter their sex or orientation.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
July 28 2014 19:06 GMT
#120177
"Crystal Maiden... are you really, i wonder?"
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
July 28 2014 19:09 GMT
#120178
You're forgetting the, like, extremely gay lines.

"Submit to your lady, little girl."
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
July 28 2014 19:13 GMT
#120179
Great discussion guys

I am impressed
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
July 28 2014 19:25 GMT
#120180
Only the finest from the LiquidDota General Discussion thread.

We know quality.
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