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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 13:14:19
July 23 2014 13:13 GMT
#119221
I thought that LoL runes were like the old WoW talent system / stats in that everyone figured out the optimal builds within the first 1-2 weeks and then everyone copies that and there is little customization due to everything else being sub optimal?

Also Lux is best hero
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 23 2014 13:15 GMT
#119222
On July 23 2014 22:13 Drazerk wrote:
I thought that LoL runes were like the old WoW talent system / stats in that everyone figured out the optimal builds within the first 1-2 weeks and then everyone copies that and there is little customization due to everything else being sub optimal?

Also Lux is best hero

That is the mastery system, rune is something else which also boosts various stats and is more flexible.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 13:16:31
July 23 2014 13:16 GMT
#119223
Ok lets be clear, the folks at LoL have to make money off their champions. Valve has steam and does dota on the side as a way to get people to install steam. At this point Dota is likely profitable for them, but they are the only company in the world that could make a game on that model.

And the Rune system is an IP sink and always has been. (Also, rune pages are pretty cheap now a days if I remember. Yes I play league with my friends who are to weak to play dota.)

Jayce best hero. Icefrog please add, he would fit into dota nicely.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 23 2014 13:16 GMT
#119224
mangix

case closed
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
July 23 2014 13:18 GMT
#119225
On July 23 2014 22:13 Drazerk wrote:
I thought that LoL runes were like the old WoW talent system / stats in that everyone figured out the optimal builds within the first 1-2 weeks and then everyone copies that and there is little customization due to everything else being sub optimal?

Also Lux is best hero

What bugs me about the rune system is that its analogous to the struggle of getting BIS gear in WoW.

Its annoying when you're playing arena and your opponents have slightly better stats because they raid
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 23 2014 13:19 GMT
#119226
who the fuck is mangix pls get your lol champs shit outta here
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 13:21:56
July 23 2014 13:20 GMT
#119227
On July 23 2014 22:16 Plansix wrote:
Ok lets be clear, the folks at LoL have to make money off their champions. Valve has steam and does dota on the side as a way to get people to install steam. At this point Dota is likely profitable for them, but they are the only company in the world that could make a game on that model.

And the Rune system is an IP sink and always has been. (Also, rune pages are pretty cheap now a days if I remember. Yes I play league with my friends who are to weak to play dota.)

Jayce best hero. Icefrog please add, he would fit into dota nicely.

the thing is,you call rune system an IP sink but when I played you couldn't jungle without runes(not sure how its now)
and that was huge,if you didn't have a jungler and the other team did you were at a severe disadvantage.Also having a magic ressist page was absolutelly crucial sometimes against certain mids like leblanc or something that can instagib you like that.
So when you play for a decent amount of time and don't spend money on the game you actually realize you are better off getting 6-7 rune pages that will cover a lot of general stuff you actually really need and not just sink your IP into buyin champs
u gotta farm
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 23 2014 13:22 GMT
#119228
Yeah, I could see that, but you could jungle on the shit teir 1 runes if you wanted to. Its not like that any more, its mostly about the masteries if I remember correctly. The game has changed from when everyone was going on tribal about LoL and Dota, when these hyperbolic argument were created with limited information.

Plus we need league so we can have people who watch Dota go "Who is the guy with the shovel? WHY ARE THERE FIVE OF HIM?" That as a pretty good quote from this weekend at my place.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
July 23 2014 13:25 GMT
#119229
On July 23 2014 21:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 21:49 NonFactor wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:36 Unleashing wrote:
"If you don't like what i like it's because you don't like thinking"
lmfao


Nothing to do with what I like versus what he doesn't. He himself said this: ''I just don't want to deal with that shit, I don't want to look up which fucking rune I should use with which hero or something like that before even starting the game.''

He obviously is not interested in thinking about the runes that would be optimal, heck, he's too lazy to even Google for some advice. Thus I took a jab at him. Clear enough for you? You don't like thinking either?

And yes, I do consider LiquidDota to be a sub, might not be the correct term for it, but that's what it feels like to me. Same with LiquidHearth and LiquidPoker.


Son, you’ve come to the wrong place to argue about LoL or its systems. Or if you are going to do that, take a page out of my book and don’t take lazy shots at people while you do. No one wants this dumb tribal warfare highschool kids seems to love about video games. No one gives a shit if Xbox/PS4 or LoL/Dota are winning/losing or better/worse. Its all fucking stupid and we should just be happy that we all have games we like to play.

And now to other things, anyone going to get “Gods Will Be Watching”. That game looks like it could be amazing and the free to play prototype was pretty gritty.


I agree. Arguing or even attempting to discuss the differences between LoL and Dota 2 in a constructive manner with Dota 2 players has always been futile, but I do enjoy calling people out on their BS when it comes to LoL. Now to be fair, it used to be a lot worse. For example I remember the days when the whole Dota 2 community, including the one in TL was convinced that the only reason why LoL beats Dota 2 so brutally in stream views was because Riot was cheating by putting their stream inside the game client which according to Dota 2 players counted everyone logged in as ''viewers''.

I enjoy both games, which is why I don't shit talk Dota 2, only it's community. (And let's be perfectly honest, from the 2 communities, which side shit talks the other game more and acts more in an elitist manner, I mean just look at some of the replies to me already in this thread.)

''No one gives a shit if Xbox/PS4 or LoL/Dota are winning/losing or better/worse. Its all fucking stupid and we should just be happy that we all have games we like to play. '' I agree with this, but as long as Dota 2 community continues to have a form of napoleon complex towards LoL, the road will be long and arduous.

I do enjoy this sub though otherwise.
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
July 23 2014 13:28 GMT
#119230
Well it is hard to shit talk a game which didn't put some weird berry-less make you invisible shrubbery into lanes for no fucking reason whatsoever.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 23 2014 13:29 GMT
#119231
i tried jungling without lvl 1 runes once

never again
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
July 23 2014 13:30 GMT
#119232
Why this thread keep derailing in every 10 pages? Now Dota vs LOL, p2w vs f2p...
Cmon guys you are better than this.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 23 2014 13:32 GMT
#119233
lets talk about feet again
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 23 2014 13:32 GMT
#119234
On July 23 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Why this thread keep derailing in every 10 pages? Now Dota vs LOL, p2w vs f2p...
Cmon guys you are better than this.

This thread doesn't have any rails to begin with
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 23 2014 13:34 GMT
#119235
On July 23 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Why this thread keep derailing in every 10 pages? Now Dota vs LOL, p2w vs f2p...
Cmon guys you are better than this.

I tired to talk about new steam games and how dope "Gods will be watching" looks, but people wanted to talk about LoL.

Its Dota General discussion. We are generally discussing Dota and LoL and how Jayce is awesome when he is in his robot armor. And Rammus is dope.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
July 23 2014 13:34 GMT
#119236
On July 23 2014 22:13 Drazerk wrote:
I thought that LoL runes were like the old WoW talent system / stats in that everyone figured out the optimal builds within the first 1-2 weeks and then everyone copies that and there is little customization due to everything else being sub optimal?

Also Lux is best hero


This definitely was the case during early seasons of LoL. You essentially had 3 ways of doing it. Full damage, full tank, or damage utility mix for Mages back in S1.

But since then Riot has revamped the mastery trees numerous times and today they are a lot more flexible and allow for numerous different builds.

Again, you still have standard ''catch-all'' mastery builds that people recommend especially for lower elo players, but those of us with slightly more understanding of the game can play around with it and optimize.

Have to dis-agree with the Lux pick though.
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
July 23 2014 13:36 GMT
#119237
lol has thresh, that's basically the only reason to play that game, only reason i play with my friends is cause someone gifted me thresh to try and get me to play, and that's good because that hero is so fun.
Flash Fan!
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
July 23 2014 13:36 GMT
#119238
On July 23 2014 22:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Why this thread keep derailing in every 10 pages? Now Dota vs LOL, p2w vs f2p...
Cmon guys you are better than this.

I tired to talk about new steam games and how dope "Gods will be watching" looks, but people wanted to talk about LoL.

Its Dota General discussion. We are generally discussing Dota and LoL and how Jayce is awesome when he is in his robot armor. And Rammus is dope.


We can always talk about targe and his pub adventures
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
July 23 2014 13:39 GMT
#119239
On July 23 2014 22:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Why this thread keep derailing in every 10 pages? Now Dota vs LOL, p2w vs f2p...
Cmon guys you are better than this.

I tired to talk about new steam games and how dope "Gods will be watching" looks, but people wanted to talk about LoL.

Its Dota General discussion. We are generally discussing Dota and LoL and how Jayce is awesome when he is in his robot armor. And Rammus is dope.


Ever with the futile attempts to drag the thread away from controversial topics. Sometimes you gotta let it wear itself out naturally!
Bora Pain minha porra!
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 23 2014 13:40 GMT
#119240
On July 23 2014 22:36 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 22:34 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Why this thread keep derailing in every 10 pages? Now Dota vs LOL, p2w vs f2p...
Cmon guys you are better than this.

I tired to talk about new steam games and how dope "Gods will be watching" looks, but people wanted to talk about LoL.

Its Dota General discussion. We are generally discussing Dota and LoL and how Jayce is awesome when he is in his robot armor. And Rammus is dope.


We can always talk about targe and his pub adventures

#hardwork and #training for #roadto4k going strong
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