General Discussion - Page 5961

On July 23 2014 02:38 cecek wrote:

I never played LoL and runes are definitely one of the things holding me away from even trying it. I just don't want to deal with that shit, I don't want to look up which fucking rune I should use with which hero or something like that before even starting the game.

On July 23 2014 21:15 NonFactor wrote:


Funny, because the rune / mastery system was actually one the bigger reasons why I decided to play LoL over Dota 2. (Note, being Swedish I was massively into Dota 1, and I do play Dota 2 still with my RL friends and follow the e-sports side of it all, but play LoL way more.)

So you don't like thinking too much? Well that's your prerogative. I personally really like the rune system because it allows me to build the hero MY way and theorycraft (people are still coming up new ways to optimize rune pages years later, and as long as they keep nerfing and buffing, it probably will never stop). And while it's true that most players use standard rune pages for most things, pros and high elo players such as myself do have numerous customized rune pages for different matchups, teamcomps and playstyles. Oh and, I've never paid for anything apart from skins.

It's essentially adds an extra dimension to the game that is completely non-existent in Dota. Also, there is a certain charm in the fact that you can play your signature hero and build that said hero YOUR way. (Including Masteries, Runes and in-game build path.) Hell, some people go even crazier and pick non-standard summoners.

While it's true that it can take time for you to have every single rune and it would be great if we had all runes available to us at start (but alas, this makes Riot too much money for that), Tier 1 runes which are super cheap will do just fine until you can get more standard rune pages that work great in most scenarios (which also allow you to be competitive), and then you build from there.

I don't understand why the people in this sub need to negatively over exaggerate everything that is LoL.
There are pros and cons to the rune / mastery system, in my opinion, the depth, complexity and fun they add to the game, is more than worth the downsides.

On July 23 2014 21:15 NonFactor wrote:


Funny, because the rune / mastery system was actually one the bigger reasons why I decided to play LoL over Dota 2. (Note, being Swedish I was massively into Dota 1, and I do play Dota 2 still with my RL friends and follow the e-sports side of it all, but play LoL way more.)

So you don't like thinking too much? Well that's your prerogative. I personally really like the rune system because it allows me to build the hero MY way and theorycraft (people are still coming up new ways to optimize rune pages years later, and as long as they keep nerfing and buffing, it probably will never stop). And while it's true that most players use standard rune pages for most things, pros and high elo players such as myself do have numerous customized rune pages for different matchups, teamcomps and playstyles. Oh and, I've never paid for anything apart from skins.

It's essentially adds an extra dimension to the game that is completely non-existent in Dota. Also, there is a certain charm in the fact that you can play your signature hero and build that said hero YOUR way. (Including Masteries, Runes and in-game build path.) Hell, some people go even crazier and pick non-standard summoners.

While it's true that it can take time for you to have every single rune and it would be great if we had all runes available to us at start (but alas, this makes Riot too much money for that), Tier 1 runes which are super cheap will do just fine until you can get more standard rune pages that work great in most scenarios (which also allow you to be competitive), and then you build from there.

I don't understand why the people in this sub need to negatively over exaggerate everything that is LoL.
There are pros and cons to the rune / mastery system, in my opinion, the depth, complexity and fun they add to the game, is more than worth the downsides.

On July 23 2014 21:36 Unleashing wrote:
"If you don't like what i like it's because you don't like thinking"
lmfao

On July 23 2014 21:49 NonFactor wrote:


Nothing to do with what I like versus what he doesn't. He himself said this: ''I just don't want to deal with that shit, I don't want to look up which fucking rune I should use with which hero or something like that before even starting the game.''

He obviously is not interested in thinking about the runes that would be optimal, heck, he's too lazy to even Google for some advice. Thus I took a jab at him. Clear enough for you? You don't like thinking either?

And yes, I do consider LiquidDota to be a sub, might not be the correct term for it, but that's what it feels like to me. Same with LiquidHearth and LiquidPoker.

On July 23 2014 21:49 NonFactor wrote:


Nothing to do with what I like versus what he doesn't. He himself said this: ''I just don't want to deal with that shit, I don't want to look up which fucking rune I should use with which hero or something like that before even starting the game.''

He obviously is not interested in thinking about the runes that would be optimal, heck, he's too lazy to even Google for some advice. Thus I took a jab at him. Clear enough for you? You don't like thinking either?

And yes, I do consider LiquidDota to be a sub, might not be the correct term for it, but that's what it feels like to me. Same with LiquidHearth and LiquidPoker.

On July 23 2014 19:57 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Let me constructively complain about MMR system a bit.

At slightly above 4.3k MMR I've been noticing that the skill difference between players with more or less the same rating is often way to big. I've looked over different people's profiles on dotabuff and I've realized that there are often 3 types of people in my matches. Firstly there are people with about 53% win ratio and over 3000 games played. Their skill is stable and they usually don't stand out in a good or bad way. And than there are players who have less than 500 games played with over 60% win ratio, who are when you check their latest matches normally on a winning streaks and who perform outstandingly and then there are often players with under 150 matches played who somehow got 4.3k MMR and now they got around 40% win ratio and in latest matches you can see they lost almost all of them.

That leads me to conclusion, that players with small amount of matches played are often misplaced in a wrong '''mmr group''. I'm not saying that the current system is bad and it should be changed at all cost, but I think it could be improved if players with little number of games played and players on winning/losing streaks would change mmr faster. I know that first dozens matches your mmr changes rapidly, but with huge mmr deflation, bad punishing system for game ruiners and abandoners I don't think it's enough to place you at a proper MMR rating.

/discuss?

On July 23 2014 21:15 NonFactor wrote:
There are pros and cons to the rune / mastery system, in my opinion, the depth, complexity and fun they add to the game, is more than worth the downsides.

On July 23 2014 21:15 NonFactor wrote:


Funny, because the rune / mastery system was actually one the bigger reasons why I decided to play LoL over Dota 2. (Note, being Swedish I was massively into Dota 1, and I do play Dota 2 still with my RL friends and follow the e-sports side of it all, but play LoL way more.)

So you don't like thinking too much? Well that's your prerogative. I personally really like the rune system because it allows me to build the hero MY way and theorycraft (people are still coming up new ways to optimize rune pages years later, and as long as they keep nerfing and buffing, it probably will never stop). And while it's true that most players use standard rune pages for most things, pros and high elo players such as myself do have numerous customized rune pages for different matchups, teamcomps and playstyles. Oh and, I've never paid for anything apart from skins.

It's essentially adds an extra dimension to the game that is completely non-existent in Dota. Also, there is a certain charm in the fact that you can play your signature hero and build that said hero YOUR way. (Including Masteries, Runes and in-game build path.) Hell, some people go even crazier and pick non-standard summoners.

While it's true that it can take time for you to have every single rune and it would be great if we had all runes available to us at start (but alas, this makes Riot too much money for that), Tier 1 runes which are super cheap will do just fine until you can get more standard rune pages that work great in most scenarios (which also allow you to be competitive), and then you build from there.

I don't understand why the people in this sub need to negatively over exaggerate everything that is LoL.
There are pros and cons to the rune / mastery system, in my opinion, the depth, complexity and fun they add to the game, is more than worth the downsides.